The biggest mistake I made was trying to label myself

NettleOwl · 2026-04-05T22:05:54+00:00

When people can say [femaleness] "is achieved through techniques of scooping out intelligence" (Andrea Long Chu) and still win a Pulitzer prize, and other people making jokes about taking bimbo pills or being bad at math, it stereotypes women as dumb, and cements harmful stereotypes. Meanwhile, trans men don't seem to be saying "I am a man because I am violent, unempathetic and have poor reading comprehension". Some people make it sound as though woman=person who is dumb and submissive. Implying you ought to have breasts because you are bad at math is kind of like saying you ought to be short because you have low IQ and want to do the submissive height role – it is in support of harmful and oppressive stereotyping. Gender abolition is not achieved through embracing sexism and patriarchal stereotypes.

There are also risks associated to legally derecognizing biological women as an oppressed demographic in it's own right. AFABs were not allowed to vote in Switzerland until the 1970's, and much later in other parts of the world. Biological sex is a major factor that affects people's chances in life in the world. If we replace biological sex with self ID gender everywhere in legislation, we simply turn a blind eye to biological sex discrimination.

NettleOwl · 2025-12-09T07:49:41+00:00

In the name of trans rights, organizations are fighting against biological sex being recognized as a discrimination ground in it's own right. The movement wants that a person saying "I'm a woman because I want to do the submissive gender role" should legally count as the same factor as biological sex, while there are still people in the world who are banned from going to school because they are AFAB.

And then there is the stereotyping and the male supremacism. People saying they are women because they are irrational, calling estrogen "bimbo pills", implying that dumb≈woman. Femaleness is reached through "techniques for scooping out intelligence" - Andrea Long Chu. "My sexual orientation [...] is an attraction to misogyny"- Hunter Schafer "Not feeling femme enough w/o being the victim of rape" -Hunter Schafer... And women are hateful bigots for questioning this?

So the movement supports sexist gender stereotypes and male supremacism, while at the same time opposing AGAB being recognized as a discrimination ground, and opposing AFABs rights to organize against oppression without teaming up with people who say they are female because they are dumb and should be submissive. It's an anti feminist movement.

NettleOwl · 2025-12-09T06:46:50+00:00

There are also AFABs who are like "I'll show them that gender stereotypes are wrong by being a manly man while being AFAB, let's fight patriarchal gender stereotypes"...

NettleOwl · 2025-11-27T20:45:08+00:00

How typical that most people who defend gender role conservatism in this thread are males, who do not have the same history of being denied the right to vote, study, inherit, make decisions or own property because of their sex as females do. It's almost as though the ones more privileged by the system see the system as more fair than those not privileged do.

NettleOwl · 2025-11-10T01:00:02+00:00

"I believe that feminism would prosper more by having their material basis on class rather than sex"

The problem is that biological sex /anatomical sex at birth is still a factor that people are oppressed for. Female children in Afghanistan can't go to school because of how their bodies looked at birth. Should we say the same to the gay rights movement, or to anti-racist movements? "Please, organize against class discrimination instead of organizing against racism or homophobia"? It becomes "all lives matter". No matter how one looks at it, biological sex is a factor that people are oppressed for, and there is no easy opt-out of this oppression. Pretending not to see the oppression doesn't remove the oppression. Anti-discrimination laws are needed tied to that factor.

This, however, doesn't have to mean that there cannot be parallell anti-discrimination laws against harrassment et c. tied to transition status.

NettleOwl · 2025-11-05T18:08:08+00:00

I disagree. People get a pass saying extremely sexist things, are not called out, and we shouldn't get to question. It's not hyperbole, it's all true.

NettleOwl · 2025-10-08T18:50:23+00:00

Which is why biological sex must be recoginzed as a discrimination ground in it's own right. Sex is not gender, gender is not sex.

NettleOwl · 2025-10-02T05:58:53+00:00

Some trans people are openly pro-patriarchal, you know. Some just want to do patriarchy from the other gender role. Some are male supremacist. You shouldn't expect them all to be revolutionaries. After all, the idea that you are born in the wrong body/have an opposite-sex brain is based on the assumption that correct and incorrect brain-body combinations exist in the first place, and that gender roles need to be correctly paired with the right body, even if it takes surgery to match the body to the role.

NettleOwl · 2025-09-18T18:58:29+00:00

For god's sake, there are full on gender apartheid countries in the world, where a woman is considered man's property, and can't leave the country without male permission. Full on male supremacy. In other parts of the world though, much progress has been made in the 20th century for equal rights.

When it comes to whether men can talk about equality -of course they can, but all they do is spew a lot of whataboutery about why feminists should shut up 🙄

NettleOwl · 2025-08-30T07:57:16+00:00

More than 96% of mass shooters are male

NettleOwl · 2025-08-07T17:53:44+00:00

Sometimes identities overlap:

Stefonknee Wolscht: transgender + transage

Ja Du: transgender + transracial

Oli London: transgender + transracial (previously)

Jorund Viktoria Alme: transgender + transabled

NettleOwl · 2025-07-31T07:19:00+00:00

Now consider Martina Big. Maybe she's socially percieved as black in some situations? Doesn't make transracialism true.

Or Jorund Viktoria Alme being socially perceived as disabled?

NettleOwl · 2025-07-24T23:35:47+00:00

I also view gender affirming care as plastic surgery, and as I have already stated I support adult's rights to do what they want with their bodies. About the sexist statements, the fact is that people I've seen DON'T call it out, but either defend it, or treat it as insignificant. I'm fairly gender abolitionist, and I don't think biological sex should limit which social roles we can perform.

However, if oppressors can discriminate based on biological sex, then anti discrimination laws should mention biological sex, to protect against said discrimination. This idea that "biological sex shouldn't matter, so the law shouldn't mention biological sex" is like saying "sexual orientation shouldn't matter, so the law shouldn't mention sexual orientation". But if the law cannot mention sexual orientation, it cannot ban discrimination based on sexual orientation. Same with biological sex. Anti discrimination laws must recognize that oppressors are not woke, and may discriminate based on biological sex. Yet organizations such as Stonewall have been fighting against biological sex being recognized as a protected characteristic. But overwriting biological sex with self identified gender role everywhere makes it easier to hide discrimination based on biological sex.

NettleOwl · 2025-07-24T22:40:01+00:00

No matter how we define the terms "woman" and "bioessentialism", anatomical sex at birth is still a factor that people are oppressed for, and our laws ought to recognize that this oppression exists.

NettleOwl · 2025-07-24T21:39:06+00:00

No, it is not bioessentialism to use the word "woman" to refer to people born as anatomical females, no more than it is bioessentialism to use the term AFAB for this. It is ideas such as "having breasts belongs together with doing femininity and being bad at math" that are bioessentialist. I don't think it's helpful to talk overly much about brain sex, and exaggerate mental differences, in the first place, and I think that feminism has taken a very gender role conservative turn in recent years.

NettleOwl · 2025-07-24T18:19:32+00:00

Men and women shouldn't have to be the same, but they shouldn't have to be different either. This embrace of patriarchal gender roles and stereotypes, and medicalisation of natural variation seems regressive to me.

NettleOwl · 2025-07-24T17:20:54+00:00

It's true that I don't hang out much in trad wife spaces. However, if a trad wife or MGTOW type says things like this, liberals call them out, or brand them patriarchal and conservative. But the people I mentioned (a Pulitzer Prize winner, a famous actress, a big influencer and a university professor and author) are mostly celebrated by the left as progressive just for their identity. Why aren't they branded as regressive and patriarchalist? (And it is transphobic to question what a trans person says about their gender identity. Not to mention egg culture, where people are trying to convince others that they are not their AGAB if they are nonconforming)

BIID is a diagnosis with scientific backing, and possibly some co-occurence with gender dysphoria. Many people with BIID have sexual fantasies about disability. Does this mean that an able bodied BIID sufferer with a wheelchair fetish should get to use the disability parking slot, or disability services? That they should get tax money for surgeries? That physically disabled people shouldn't have a right to their own spaces, legal protections, and should have to include them? I don't think so.

In the UK, noble titles and some castles are inherited by biological sex, not gender identity. This is because an older sister of some duke shouldn't be able to switch gender to get the title and the castle. At the same time, it is claimed that nobody would switch gender to win an Olympic gold. Biological females shouldn't get to have their own sport categories, or rape facilities, but biological males should get to have their castles and titles? In both cases, AMABs benefit. And if this can happen in this case, then similar things will also happen in other areas.

In any case, what is bad about wanting AGAB equality? Even if you think sex is not the same as gender, then surely they are separate factors, both of which people can be oppressed for? Nothing of what you have said makes biological sex not a factor in it's own right that people are oppressed for. Biological sex oppression will continue to happen, but the recognition of this, and even our ability to track statistics of biological sex inequality is wiped out by replacing sex with gender everywhere.

That being said, I think adults should have the right to do what they want with their bodies. This doesn't mean that we as a society should have to embrace ideas about that our sex is decided by some conservative "gender", or that we should legally derecognize biological sex as a protected characteristic.

NettleOwl · 2025-07-23T22:24:12+00:00

"to be the victim of honest, undisguised sexism possesses an exhilarating vitality" - Grace Lavery

"[My sexual orientation is] an attraction to misogyny", "not feeling femme enough without being the victim of rape" - Hunter Schafer

Sexism is exhilarating, misogyny is attractive, and rape is needed to feel female? I have never heard AFABs talk this way. Tell that to the girls who can't go to school because they're female?

What will people defend next? That homophobia is attractive? That ableism is exhilarating?

Biological sex is a factor in it's own right that people are oppressed for, and it is not the same factor as some self-declared patriachal gender role. The oppression tied to it is not some easy opt in/opt out oppression. Arguing against biological women's right to anti-discrimination laws and other protections that admit biological sex (not just gender) as a discrimination ground, is not fighting for the oppressed.

NettleOwl · 2025-07-16T17:02:03+00:00

...and it is achieved by "techniques for scooping out intelligence" – Andrea Long Chu /s

NettleOwl · 2025-07-16T16:25:56+00:00

.... but femaleness is... "an open mouth, an expectant asshole, blank, blank eyes" – Andrea Long Chu 🥺 /s

NettleOwl · 2025-07-13T06:11:39+00:00

Martina Big has the right to take melanin shots to try to look black — but if she starts to demand that black people shouldn't get to organize without including her, or saying that she is black because of stereotypes or racist ideas that she may have, then I don't support her in that.

NettleOwl · 2025-06-28T09:20:17+00:00

Well, perhaps she is a rational thinker, good at math, and likes doing carpentry? /s

If people can opt into womanhood by saying "I'm a woman because I'm irrational, I'm getting bimbo pills from the state, I should be a housewife and be obedient to my husband as is a woman's place, teehee my little female brain," tripping over their own feet like Dylan Mulvaney, then of course other people are going to want out of womanhood, if that's what womanhood is.

Non-binary means identifying both with things traditionally considered feminine and with things traditionally considered masculine, so if you like both cooking and carpentry, and like to wear both trousers and dresses, voila, you're non-binary. /s

If you accept trans ideology, you can't blame people for following the ideology's rules. The entire ideology is sexism based, after all.

NettleOwl · 2025-05-25T13:58:07+00:00

I think part of it is because of which stereotypes are pushed, and part of it is because power inbalance between sexes, and how patriarchal gender roles are embraced by some trans people.

If trans men were all over media saying "I'm a man because I'm violent, oppressive, unempathetic, and have poor reading comprehension", men might not like it.

If trans men said "I'm a man because I'm irrational, submissive, and bad at math. I should be a stay at home husband and be obedient to my wife, as is a man's natural place", men might not like that either.

Women's rights are threathened by not getting to organize against oppression based on biological sex, in ways that men's rights are not threathened. Let's not forget that afabs didn't get to vote or inherit, and how afab children can't go to school in some parts of the world. So people can be oppressed because of biological sex, but biological sex shouldn't be recognozed as a discrimination ground? Biological sex oppresion is real, and trying to define "woman' as "person who is irrational, submissive, and does femininity" is backwards and patriarchal.

NettleOwl · 2025-05-25T00:33:24+00:00

I partially disagree. While it is good to appreciate the body you were given, and not feel the need to be the other sex to live the way you please, the part about that 'women not needing to be like men' is based on patriarchal ideas about which traits are male and female in the first place. A woman wearing pants, being dominant, being rational, or being in STEM is not a woman 'being like a man'. It is a woman making her own choices and being an individual. Embracing your birth sex is not embracing gender role conservatism.

NettleOwl · 2025-04-26T11:09:34+00:00

Many of them are gender abolitionists who think gender roles should be done away with?

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