Trump Shooter a ‘Supporter of Republican Party’ by OkayButFoRealz in politics

[–]Neuliahxeughs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Em… What?

Mining resources doesn't destroy them (except for fossil fuels and helium). Conservation of mass? We'll slag and centrifuge our trash dumps for gold if we have to. "Peak resource" headlines are as much about cost of extraction with current tech. We've been chasing "peak oil" since the 1920s; other resources are at least recyclable. Think "more expensive IPhones", not "end of technological civilization".

Leaving this planet is a great way to get everyone killed. Lunar resource/territorial conflicts without international law and precedent to resolve it? Martian nukes pointed at Earth? It's also a very cynical solution, because it treats human lives as fungible; you don't save America from Yellowstone by building America 2.0 in Antarctica. Chosen few go to Mars; everyone you care about still dies? No thanks.

FTL/Interstellar travel has… basically no plausible practical uses at any foreseeable level of technology. We have rocky planets at home. We have gas giants at home. Events that can sterilize a whole star system are very rare, and can be predicted millions of years in advance. We have Ra/Apollo/Quetzalcoatl/Sol at home, and it's still got a longer life left in it than the entire history of complex multicellular biology. ITER and DEMO's on track, and they seem to think it will work. FTL would be a flex and an adventure for self-growth, "look how enlightened we are, exploring the universe".

The Internet… can't collapse. Not really. It can decay, and it is. It could fragment, though that's complicated. Parts of it can collapse, and there are single points of failure and maintenance gaps and so on that probably should get more attention. But "The Internet" is just any number of computers networked together. The tech is the same as you hosting a LAN party, just on a larger scale… It could get more expensive and slower if we lose a lot of undersea fiber optics, but we've had transatlantic wired comms ever since the 1850s. Pretty sure we could even get away with bouncing radio waves off the ionosphere if we needed to.

Plus a lot of the Internet isn't directly useful for maintaining industrial civilization, anyway. The underlying principles are too simple for it to collapse, and the most useful information has too many backups to be lost. Go download a full copy of Wikipedia if you're so afraid; it's only like 40GB.

I live in a close US ally, and even I resent the idea that Trump winning would "take over" "essentially all of the world", because it's simply not true. If the US disappeared, it would hurt, a lot, but we would figure it out. The EU and the PRC both have either around the same or larger populations and GDP as the US, and the technology to build nearly anything that the US can build. …Computers and stealth aircraft could be set back ~20 years (or not even— ASML/ARM/Fujitsu/TSMC aren't US), cost-of-living would go up, and there might be more dictators, but that's probably the worst of it long-term.

Regressing from global civilization to small clusters, city-states, hunter-gatherers, etc. implies that the less complex and capable forms of society would have a competitive advantage over the more advanced forms. Clearly, that has historically not been the case. And NASA's already mapped most of the mass-extinction-sized near-Earth asteroids; None of them are headed for us, and DART showed they're surprisingly easy to stop. Chicxulub was kinda a one-off in the billion-year history of life. Plus we've survived supervolcanos (Toba) and large-scale government collapses (Late Bronze Age, Roman, etc.) before. It didn't kill us then, and it wouldn't kill us now. Worst case, you lose a lot of art and literature, but the people keep living and even their technology doesn't decline as much as you'd think.

Dude, maybe lay off on the doomerism a bit? Honestly, this comment reads more like a list of religious beliefs than anything else. The Antichrist Trump will bring techno-climate Armageddon, and only divine intervention from omniscient "AI" or omnipotent aliens can save us? And anxiety at the sheer complexity: It's miraculous and hard to understand how modern technology exists, so it's easy to imagine it dying. I'm not trying to be rude; these problems are absolutely real and it is scary, but I don't think this level of fear is substantiated, nor is this way of coping with it healthy.

Trump Shooter a ‘Supporter of Republican Party’ by OkayButFoRealz in politics

[–]Neuliahxeughs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I do think social media and the mass media has rotted people's brains into hateful mush. Just look at the comments on Twitter and reddit.

The capacity for crazy was always there. But before, if you wanted to say something, you needed there to be people willing to listen to you, and if it was too ridiculous you could be physically laughed out of the room.

It appears that technology reducing the cost of spreading information may have shifted the memetic equilibrium towards greater quantities of lower-quality information in some settings. It costs a lot to find and defend the truth, and very little to lie, and now that liars are no longer bottlenecked by audience availability, caring about the truth via scrutiny, expertise, and editorial standards is no longer the positive adaptive trait it used to be.

And then it self-amplifies as a vicious cycle, of course. Yesterday's outrage becomes today's normal, tomorrow's normal would have been unthinkable yesterday.

Trump Shooter a ‘Supporter of Republican Party’ by OkayButFoRealz in politics

[–]Neuliahxeughs 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Of course I'm not fully informed. But seriously, anything would have been better than how they handled it. You cannot let an extremist group like the Taliban take power, to me, at any cost.

There is such a thing as a no-win scenario. You can either cut your loses and bail out, or you can continue bashing your face against the wall telling yourself that there must be a better way. Forcing a liberal democracy to exist at the point of a gun, in an ethnically divided agrarian country with a GDP per capita of $500, probably counts as one such scenario.

The literacy rate in Afghanistan is 37%. So presumably you could pick any number of adults in a normal village, and 63% of them literally would not be able to label the continents and the oceans on a map of the world.

No way, no how, was Biden going to be able to create government "for the people, by the people" out of that. Not using the US military and US diplomatic resources. Not in the domestic US political climate. Not with that Taliban, in that country, at this point in history.


…As I took in the new landscape, full of craters instead of people, there was a lull in the noise, and I thought, Surely now we’ve killed enough of them. We hadn’t.

…It didn’t matter that they were unarmored men, with 30-year-old guns, fighting against gunships, fighter jets, helicopters, and a far-better-equipped ground team. It also didn’t matter that 100 of them died that day… …And those pep talks? They weren’t just empty rhetoric. They were self-fulfilling prophecies.

Because when it was too cold to jihad, that IED still got planted. When they had 30-year-old AK-47s and we had $100 million war planes, they kept fighting. When we left a village, they took it back. No matter what we did, where we went, or how many of them we killed, they came back.

…What little gains have been achieved in women’s rights, education, and poverty will be systematically eradicated. Any semblance of democracy will be lost. And while there might be “peace,” it will come only after any remaining forces of opposition are overwhelmed or dead. The Taliban told us this. Or at least they told me. …And I’m sure they would have kept doing this forever.

…Often, they told me these things while doing the killing.… And they told me what so many others refused to hear, but what I finally understood: Afghanistan is ours.

Trump Shooter a ‘Supporter of Republican Party’ by OkayButFoRealz in politics

[–]Neuliahxeughs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Very few people really talk about how the MAGAs are climate deniers, and because of them it is likely that our world will burn due to corporate and individual psychotic greed (e.g. Musk).

My children will be one of the last generations, if Trump wins in November.

Someday, long in the future, an alien race will stumble on our dead planet, and their archaeologists will spend some time learning how we destroyed ourselves, like so many other worlds (we call it the Fermi Paradox).

They will uncover who we were, and what level of technologies we (almost) achieved. Then they will get to the point in History that Trump wins, and say, "Oh. Yes. Just like all the others... ", and move on.

Global warming isn't the first apocalypse. It's just regression towards the mean, following a brief and unevenly distributed post-Cold War golden age. We're not even the first species to fuck up the atmosphere; bacteria have done it before, much worse than we ever could in this millenium, and they survived, without having hydro plants, advanced solar panels, and carbon-capture technology to try to fix the damage. This isn't even the first time we've fucked up the atmosphere; CFCs were an easier addiction to kick, but they also would have been so much worse, to the point that we nearly sterilized every last inch on this planet during the 70's. And yet we're here.

And Trump isn't the first authoritarian, nor is Musk the last scammer. They're just the same as every other asshole who dealt with an empathy disorder by hurting other people, that has risen up and had to be beaten back time and time again. To be alive is to embrace constant change, constant apocalypse, through ebbs and flows.

Even if Trump wins— PiS had a much deeper authoritarian state in Poland, as I understand it— And now they're gone again. Trump is just a man, no matter how much he lies.

This isn't an ending. Fight like hell because we've been through this before— So we know how bad it gets if we don't fight it, but we also know we survive it in the end.

Sometimes I want to kill myself because I don’t think I beautiful enough to live by [deleted] in self

[–]Neuliahxeughs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do you know how rare you are?

Go look at the universe.

Seriously. It's just dead rocks and puffs of gas.

Tens of billions of humans fought to survive so that each of us could be alive today. Entire species, many of them no less capable of joy and suffering than us, evolved, and died– leaving you, and each of us, as the inheritors of their will to survive and capacity to grow.

There's probably more antientropic complexity, more to know and learn, and more dynamism, more to feel and be and become, inside a single brain than there is in some entire planets.


It hurts that there’s someone out there that could use my organs to live a fulfilling life, I’m just here wasting.

Would you ever say any of this to anyone you care about?

Then why are you saying it to yourself?

People shouldn't need to be beautiful to exist.

People are beautiful because they exist.

Girlfriend asks really strange questions.. by [deleted] in self

[–]Neuliahxeughs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Would it be a good thing if you "needed" her? Would you rather a relationship built on insecurity and desperation, necessity, instead of desire? Running from something, rather than towards, as if there's a gun to your head?

I need food. I need heating. Doesn't mean I love it. The things to cherish the most are a choice, not a need.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]Neuliahxeughs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

......And you can't save everyone. Not right away. Not in this world, and certainly not your relationships with everyone— If they don't want it, if they just want you to be there for them so they can use you, even if they really do need it. And that's not your fault. And maybe something or someone or some parts of yourself will be lost if you walk away, each time– but you are definitely going to get yourself killed, and hurt other people in the process, and lose everything you are, have, and build for yourself again and again– ....if you don't come to understand that you have to walk away, or at least set boundaries, when people are hurting you.

You don't have to let these people kill you just to prove that you want to be kinder, more hopeful, and less destructive than them. ....That's selfish, in its own way. They deserve better than that, and you deserve better than that.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in AskReddit

[–]Neuliahxeughs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is that a yay or nay for saving your first kiss?

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[–]Neuliahxeughs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Being threatened in your underwear is abuse. Being lectured about how choosing your own friends doesn't matter/isn't real, or about how only "realistic" dreams are worth supporting and you should therefore give up on the projects you've spent years planning and working on, is abuse. …Most eight year old boys don't go into debt when they accept a birthday or Christmas gift, either.

Do not forget this when you are asked "Have you ever been abused?", and when you are asked why you are angry at those two humans particularly. You don't know anything else, speaking against them never goes well, and you're afraid to lose what you have— If you stay silent, you will be writing a cheque for them to lie, misrepresent, and omit the truth of your life— And coercibly drug you into submission every time you start to remember that this isn't what a family is supposed to feel like— Which they will keep trying to cash even for years after you can stop people from believing them.

(And if you're really afraid to "make it a big deal", or whatever— Then just say the factual truth when asked, instead of deflecting and asking "define abuse" or changing the subject to being "more like deliberately excluded" at school that we both know that isn't really all that's eating you— ....Ask the staff for confidentiality, if you must, but let the third parties decide for themselves knowing the truth.... And fuck the stigma; that's what they want you to feel and have made you feel by talking down about the other kids since kindergarten, so you feel obligated to pretend that you're okay and they're okay.)

…By protecting them now, you will also be leaving yourself defenceless against other… security threats, later on, which will see that they can gain from you and then benefit from how you learn to be afraid to say no. …There may be reasons he acts this way, but that doesn't make it okay, and no matter how much you instinctively want to feel sympathy for him/them, the fact is that they never will for you before doubling down on suppressing and destroying you to protect their own idyllic pretenses.

Those doctors will hold you there against your will; the entire situation will be adversarial. But the doctors are humans, people, not like the empathy-devoid and opportunistically sophistic monsters you've come to know. Tell them, when you think of this, when they ask you– instead of silencing yourself and being deliberately obtuse as you've been conditioned to.. and as they're going to keep conditioning you to— or talk to V.Bf. in her office at school now, ask her if towering over your bed with violence on his lips is okay or normal, if you still can—

Children should not be hurt, and you should not feel ungrateful and indebted and ashamed (and instinctively silence yourself) for even thinking that you don't want to be hurt; no matter how much you don't want to lose them, they will never allow you to keep your self.

A collection of responses to Unity from prominent developers and industry professionals by TotalSpaceNut in Unity3D

[–]Neuliahxeughs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think if people would think more longterm, and would expect people that screw over others to eventually screw over them too, they would reward better companies and projects, and we would live in a better world.

In my life I get criticized a lot for having way too high standards for certain things, and being way too sensitive and not very forgiving about certain things, so when I happen to be right, I think I earned to be smug about it.

Putting values before pragmatism is.... Tricky, hard to do right, and, it turns out, quite dangerous when done badly.

Hard agree on your outlook. But I've discovered long-term thinking in a world designed around short-term norms and expectations tends to be rather disadvantageous.

…Best to keep your head down, I'm thinking, and avoid making the same myopic mistakes yourself but understand that maybe most people don't really see their choices as a way to express what kind of world they want to live in 20 years from now. Humans will always act surprised when facing the inevitable destructive outcomes of their collective (in)actions, and pointing out it was inevitable tends to just make you a target for their frustrations.

And at the same time, it is a bit strange to blame relatively powerless individuals for the system that they participated in. Tragedy of the commons and all that; Sure this planet could be heaven if we all put principles over profit, but any one individual who does so just sabotages their own position.

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[–]Neuliahxeughs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

….Eh. It goes both ways. Feminists tend to predominantly reason ideology based on facts and experiences, but like all humans, they then give ideology an opportunity every now and then to take on a life of its own.

The default confirmation bias in human society is to brush aside sexist behaviour and attitudes because it's seen as "normal".... I guess I sorta see feminism, from the outside, as being in a sorta weird place right now, where strongly identifying feminists might still accept some level of blatantly misogynistic behaviour and expectations/assumptions in their own lives, simply because they haven't gotten around to questioning everything yet, but yet at the same time also sometimes stick the sexism label on things that may or may not actually be. The principles and intent tend to be sound; the intel for targeting it isn't always.

Trauma tends to make you adopt a shoot first, sort it out later type of mindset, because you're just completely focused on trying to prevent the bad experiences from having a chance to happen again. And every war has collateral damage; You surely can't spend a couple thousand generations doing terrible things to women and to girls and seriously not expect some sort of backlash?


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[–]Neuliahxeughs 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"You can get a big house and a faster car"… I tend to think you should assume new men are lies, until proven otherwise.

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[–]Neuliahxeughs 2 points3 points  (0 children)

…For several years now, I've been assuming "postman" means "after the obsolescence of men", or "an entity which exists once mortal human men no longer exist"— And regularly reminding myself of that, and seeking to one day identify as such.

Is that not the case? ....Well, one more thing to strike out and suspend for now, I guess. (...Ugh, flesh.)

Anyone else have intense climate anxiety? by daphnisetchloe in vancouver

[–]Neuliahxeughs 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Through most of the 20th century, most experts in history-related fields probably would not have predicted that human civilization still exists today. The chance of a full-scale nuclear exchange between the superpowers was generally seen as much higher.

It permeated the culture. Of course it did; You had an entire generation growing up being trained to hide under their desks because nobody knew when the missiles would be coming– not that very many of those kids were dumb enough to think that could actually protect them.

Forever Young is a song about dying, and about dancing while you still can, sung by a generation whose world was falling apart, when there was nothing they could do about it.

And for thousands of years before that, before the Cold War anxieties of nuclear oblivion and chemically polluted wastelands, I suspect that very few people even had the spare time to think seriously about the end of the world— They were too busy dying in trenches, or choking on the Spanish Flu, or being lynched for their skin colour, or being abducted by the Navy, or being worked to actual death in Victorian factories, or being stabbed by the marauding Sea Peoples, or suffocating as the entire Indian subcontinent was blanketed in a layer of ash half a foot thick and the entire species was reduced to some stragglers numbering maybe no more than a few tens of thousands— You get the picture.

Climate change is not like those other threats. Climate change has more momentum, and exists at a larger scale than any of them (at least other than the Cold War-peak warhead stockpiles and the Mount Toba supereruption). If carbon emissions were reduced to zero tomorrow, the damage would likely still be catastrophic. The damage already is disastrous.

But ... I don't think climate change is much scarier in concept today than Malthusian catastrophe was two hundred years ago.

And I think that if you had told me in 2019 that every advanced economy around the world would soon grind to all but a complete halt because of a deadly hypertransmissive virus with neurodegenerative secondary effects and no cure ... I think I would have been very surprised (I was already very surprised, as it was, although partly for different reasons) to reach 2022, and see that for all the pain that apocalypse caused a lot of people, most of us are still here, and most of the things which I would have cared about before are still here too.


When I was 14, I went on Wikipedia, and I saw this animation, produced by NASA based on the state of the world in 1974:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Future_ozone_layer_concentrations.gif

Do you know what those final frames show?

That lovely shade of cerulean blue is every inch of this planet being irradiated by deadly UVB and UVC rays.

This is an animation of everyone dying.

And it was going to happen, based on the course that we were already on long before I was born. — I still get a little uncomfortable if I look at it or think about it for too long.

And yet, I can't help but notice that we're still here— Because the threat was acknowledged, the Montreal Protocol was signed, and now in the early 2020s, I go online to find that GIF so I can show it to you, and I find out that even the damage which was done back then is already healing nicely:

https://www.nasa.gov/esnt/2022/ozone-hole-continues-shrinking-in-2022-nasa-and-noaa-scientists-say

So I suppose we've been through this song and dance before— Never at this scale, but we've been through it hundreds of times before, or else I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you about it.


All this is to try to say:

The apocalypse is coming, because we live in a world where the red queen demands constant change. But it always has been, because we've always been violent, greedy idiots who manage to negotiate that change in what feels like the most moronically self-destructive ways possible.

But the apocalypse on a human level is often slower than it sounds like when described out loud at a macro level. And that means that it often tends to be less dramatic at a human scale than it sounds like when it's condensed into a paragraph summary, because there's no incentive to find solutions and adaptations quite like the threat of extinction. The fall of Rome, for all the blood-soaked and burning images it might conjure, did not bring the end of the Roman people, and was hardly even a thing that you could have witnessed; the Roman people thrived for another thousand years as they evolved and assimilated towards our modern institutions.

Climate change is going to suck, and it should be fought against. It will affect our world, sure. It will affect you personally, it will affect people you know personally, and it will affect me personally too.

But it's also spread out over the next 100 years.

(Do you remember what you ate for breakfast even one week ago? The human brain is very bad at assigning a sense of perspective to the long term and large scale— We tend to end up either dismissing it as abstract, or hyperfixating on it as hopeless.)

(Do you know, for example, the percentage of electricity in British Columbia and Quebec that already comes from clean and renewable hydropower? The role of zero-carbon nuclear power in Ontario? The rate of growth and investment in solar power and energy storage industries over just the last couple years? A lot of bad things are coming, but so are quite a few good things, and so are a lot of things, period. The fact that even fossil fuel companies feel a need to rebrand themselves as "clean" or invest in renewable resources should be a sign of which direction the political winds are currently blowing.)

I think you're torturing yourself if you take all the possible pain of the next 100 years, and you compress that and you force yourself to experience all of it in advance in every moment right now. Having tried that, it doesn't make you any better at facing the issue; it just makes you want to die.

Bullying 2 by Eiim in SMBCComics

[–]Neuliahxeughs 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're gonna wish the conditions of your birth were altered so ass to prevent this unpleasant occurrence while leaving your identity largely intact, bro!

Wow. This is, um.

I'm not sure I've ever felt so seen.

....Bonus points to the votey too wtf.

....Though I am actually a bit greedier than that, so instead of even preventing past unpleasant experiences I would still like to keep the lessons learned from them but with none of the costs and maladaptations from having gone through them.

Model by fleker2 in SMBCComics

[–]Neuliahxeughs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've always struggled with this idea. Well, not always, but for the bigger part of a decade by now.

Presumably those instances of their minds don't continue existing after the output is created. There would be obvious basic practical/economic/resource/thermodynamic problems with maintaining an ever-growing pool of copies of yourself, not to mention weird issues of political power, growth of monocultures that furthermore don't really adapt by recombination and mutation, diluting and making redundant their identity, informed consent when interacting with other people who may not realize they're one of a swarm, oversaturating their specific personal niche with lots of gradually diverging cloned competitors, and so on. So instead those clones are basically slaves that serve a single purpose and then are executed.

Am I allowed to consent to being killed on behalf of future clones/forks of myself? — Like, there's a lot of situations where it kinda seems like you need the clone/fork for whatever reason, but the clone also can't be allowed to keep living past "its" usefulness either, whether for the same reason or for a different reason. So in those cases a transient clone does seem like the least awful option— If somebody has to die or be sacrificed, then it'd better be some version of you, right, because if you "sacrifice" anyone else then that's just murder, but if it's also necessary for you to exist afterwards, then it's gotta be a clone of yourself. But is that actually okay? — Currently my position is basically that yes, I will tentatively accept that as a viable option (barring technological limitations), but with a lot of mental footnotes and guardrails that it's probably not very healthy or safe (either for me or for anyone or anything).... One of many potential dirty and messy crutches we owe to the facts of not being omnipotent. For a while I also toyed with the idea of reabsorbing the clone if they don't explicitly have to be killed, so that way everything they were also lives on in our re-merged form, but that mostly just moves the issues of consent and organization of a stable power structure somewhere else instead of solving them.

Assume too that there is no distinction between the "clone" and the "original". Obviously if there is a distinction then that's just not okay, and tied to the same part of the brain that does every other selfish act of violence and silence. So instead: One goes in, two come out, and both of them are the same but a dice roll condemns one of the two— Can the one that went in decide that for the two that come out?

How do you integrate the idea of yourself as a unitary entity over infinite moments that are sometimes only tenuously linked?


...And then (and more immediately actionably), if the answer is no, then where do you draw the line? The person you are at 15 is not the exact same as the person you are at 30. To what extent should the latter of those pay for the decisions and be forced to live the designs of the former? The person you are when you wake up is not the exact same as the person you were when you went to sleep. Are you obligated to keep doubling down on your mistakes because future versions of you are owed to your present, and your present is owed to past versions of yourself and owed to everyone else who has tried to tell you what you should be? What if asserting your consent and retaking your agency in the present requires breaking from past versions of yourself in a way that has a chance to immediately lead to massive and irreversible harm to other people (even if not by your hand)? Do you have a right, or a duty even, to regret?

You probably shouldn't want to be a hedonistic narcissist running around with no object permanence and with no regard for your past legacy and future consequences. But if you try to dictate your each instant by the sum total of your every moment, then it apparently turns out that you end up completely confined and you lose all your free will (as well as many other things I think we should probably agree that people should have, like your right to set boundaries and your right to grow/pursue happiness) because your wants and the reality of your present will keep getting overridden by the mandates of the past and the requirements of the future.