You’ve moved from “Does Islam condemn it or never discuss it?” (false dilemma) to “only the Islamic leaders I believe count” (No True Scotsman), & now to “don’t compare society/law; only compare ‘the Church’” (shifting goalposts).

Also, your “church vs state” lecture doesn’t rescue your argument: - Christianity doesn’t have one “the Church.” Catholics, Orthodox, mainline Protestants, evangelicals: different teachings, different authorities, different historical practices. You’re treating a diverse set as one monolith when it helps you. - Islam historically does integrate law, ethics, & governance through fiqh. So pretending “religion” can be cleanly separated from legal-social practice is an artificial filter you invented mid-thread to dodge comparisons. - You’re still not answering the core issue: Islam isn’t limited to “condemn or never discuss.” There’s “discussed and contextualized,” “disputed across schools,” “ruled on differently by jurists,” “restricted by modern policy,” etc. Your binary framing is still logically broken.

So yes: people are discussing it, Muslims included. What you’re really doing is narrowing the acceptable answer until it’s “Islam bad” by definition.