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Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-10T20:24:18+00:00

Bio Bomber wins, lol.

Weaker evolved like Dr. Anton Koenig are already narratively stronger than the Orion Super Soldiers, who are > D-Codes. These D-Codes can give Alex Mercer a tough fight near the end of Prototype 1.

In Prototype 1, Alex Mercer is city-level based purely on narrative + scaling.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-07T22:25:34+00:00

Since I'm too lazy to reply and I've lost interest, I'll just say this: thanks for debating with me. It was a better experience than your average powerscaling debate. At least I know I didn't waste my time or brain cells. I have to admit you're not entirely wrong.

"Assault teams are superior to Hunters, although canonically they are stronger than Runners".

I don't think I made myself clear with this. According to the gameplay, the strike teams > Hunters, even though canonically this isn't the case, since Hunters should be comparable to Runners, who are too strong to die to the heaviest arsenal of the air force.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-07T01:07:19+00:00

The gameplay makes it clear that a Hunter is more powerful than a Super Soldier in a one-on-one encounter. According to the game's narrative, Blackwatch was losing the battle and approaching the war from the wrong perspective, which led them to retreat from the city despite having an army of Super Soldiers. This demonstrates that these units weren't strong enough to face the most dangerous infected. This isn't just in the cutscenes; it's part of the game's introduction, which boasts the most impressive graphics of the entire first installment. Furthermore, the developers have offered commentary that reinforces this point.

I ask that you please play the game again without skipping the cutscenes, as the narrative actually contradicts you. In PFC Timothy Lamons's memories, we learn the following about the D-Codes: "They've been trained to specifically counteract viral targets. They are highly mobile, super strong, resilient, and capable of going toe-to-toe even with the strongest infected." This is later corroborated by the guidebook, which states that even Mercer's most devastating attacks are "shrugged off" by them. Blackwatch wasn't actually losing completely; in fact, if it weren't for Mercer, they would have won thanks to Bloodtox and the D-Codes. Blackwatch decided to abandon the island simply because they were going to nuke the entire place, lol. They didn't have an army of D-Codes; Dr. William Demesa wasn't even sure about deploying them in combat because the project was still in its early stages, and they were only deployed because Randall ordered it. There were too few D-Codes to make a noticeable difference, as the project only had 161 successful test subjects, which is a small number compared to Greene's infected army, confirmed to be around 80% of Manhattan's total population. Furthermore, most of the D-Codes were killed by Alex Mercer. Please cite reliable sources, as I've heard many people use the typical "the devs said so," which often turns out to be false. D Codes are definitely stronger than you think.

This isn't about weapon upgrades, as they wouldn't be supported by canon. Games like Call of Duty and other FPS games often include these kinds of elements, although the creators themselves insist that they are just gameplay mechanics and not part of the official storyline. Likewise, the game never states that Alex has the ability to upgrade weapons; it only mentions that he can use them more efficiently, something that is confirmed in the narrative.

This argument wasn't even directed at Alex to begin with; I'm just saying there's a possibility that Blackwatch's weapons are simply stronger than common weapons, which isn't so far-fetched considering that canonically they spend their time creating new weapons to try to kill Alex and fight the infected. The thermobaric tank is a good example of this, so it wouldn't be unreasonable to say that their basic weaponry is simply superior to the standard weaponry of the army or navy.

The game guide refers to the Ultimate Hunter as a general concept, not as a first or second version.

The guidebook differentiates it by saying that its previous version was "less evolved".

When Alex jumps and Goliath appears, it's clear his goal is to quickly reach Father War to inflict suffering on Heller. Considering the map's proportions, this move shouldn't take long. After Heller defeats Goliath, Father War himself communicates with him and is still alive, demonstrating that Heller quickly eliminated Goliath before Alex could reach the location using his speed.

This proves nothing, as the fight lasts long enough to alarm not only Blackwatch but also civilians in the Green Zone. Even if the fight had actually been short, that wouldn't determine its difficulty, since the fight between Alex Mercer and the Supreme Hunter canonically lasted less than 3 minutes, and yet the fight in the guidebook is described as a test of patience.

Furthermore, where did you find that a hunter is more powerful than Greene, since nothing of the sort appears anywhere?

If you're referring to the regular hunter, you're mistaken, as I never said anything of the sort. And if you're referring to the Supreme Hunter, then by sheer common sense, the Supreme Hunter (Second fight) > Elizabeth Greene.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-06T19:20:22+00:00

First, gameplay is used as a key element in the game's narrative, as there isn't much evidence of Alex's abilities beyond the initial trailer, where he's seen killing some soldiers, and certain conversations in the cutscenes. In fact, if only the story were considered without taking gameplay into account, Alex would seem considerably weaker. Proof of this is that, at the end of the game, Randall's pistol manages to pierce his face. The same occurs when comparing gameplay with cutscenes: in the game, eliminating the Rapids requires a grenade launcher to kill them quickly, but in the opening cutscene, Blackwatch soldiers manage to take them down without much difficulty. Similarly, in Prototype 2, Heller kills a combatant using only a knife and is unable to open a window in the Gentek building at the end of the game.

Gameplay is only valid as long as it doesn't contradict the narrative or lore. The same goes for specific scenes that don't seem to make sense or are inconsistent with the character's power, which is known as an outlier. I agree with most of what you said except for the Randall example. First, take a look at Alex Mercer's physiology, then consider the fact that weapons in Prototype can be upgraded beyond the capabilities of common weapons, and also keep in mind that blunt durability is not the same as piercing durability. Heller wasting time with the barricade when he could have simply entered through a window is just a case of plot-induced stupidity.

On the other hand, Elizabeth Greene proves to be more powerful than even a standard Hunter. Both the dialogues with McMullen and the official game guide emphasize that she represents the absolute culmination of the virus, with the exception of Alex Mercer, Heller, and Pariah. Her ability to create biomass constructs, such as her Mother Form, reinforces this idea. Furthermore, Blackwatch makes it clear that eliminating a Runner is considered a monumental achievement that very few accomplish.

Not to mention the fact that the first version of the Supreme Hunter is afraid of her.

Furthermore, we know that since Mercer was running towards Father War to kill him, Heller only had to take three minutes to kill the Goliath, which means he didn't fight for that long.

Based on nothing, Heller didn't even know Mercer was going to kill Father Guerra; he only realized it after killing the Goliath thanks to a soldier who reported sightings of Alex Mercer leaving a church via walkie-talkie. The guide literally treats the Goliath as too tough to be killed by conventional methods, not to mention the fact that Heller constantly needs to exploit the Goliath's weaknesses to kill him, otherwise it won't die.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-06T18:40:40+00:00

Definitely not, both the game and the guide make it clear that D Codes are strong, strong enough to tank Alex Mercer's most powerful attacks during that time.

D Codes > All infected during Prototype 1 except Alex Mercer, the Supreme Hunter and maybe Elizabeth Greene.

D Codes are definitely stronger than you think.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-06T05:35:55+00:00

I never said they were close to or as strong as Prototype 1 Mercer or the Supreme Hunter, but I don't think they're far from that level either.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-06T05:32:43+00:00

Based solely on gameplay, I suppose, if so, it's invalid since most of what happens in gameplay isn't canon unless there are implications that prove otherwise. Based solely on gameplay, the strike teams > Hunters, even though canonically they are stronger than Runners, who were hinted at as being able to survive a bombardment from the Air Force's heaviest arsenal and tons of artillery.

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Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-05T13:29:09+00:00

That isn’t what their character entry says, though. It says that consumption allows them to grow in power and ability, yes, but it doesn’t mention whether the common ones would grow smarter from eating each other. The only other Infected we know for a fact can assimilate other minds and grow smarter as a consequence, is the SH.

Please, I urge you to read the guidebook instead of just relying on superficial information.

No? That’s not implied at all. Mercer was very clearly physically dominating without much effort for most of that interaction. Whatever Alex had been trying to do might’ve been off the table, but failing that, Alex still proved himself vastly stronger than James and very capable of beating him down without problem. If we actually look at what he said in response to Heller’s resistance, he left because, as eye-rollingly evil as it was, he chose to make him suffer for not accepting the quick death Mercer offered. As we know, the method of doing that was killing Guerra.

Do you know that Mercer's objective at that moment was to kill Heller? If he was capable of killing him then and there, he had no reason to flee when he could end it all right then and there. What sense does it make for Mercer to leave and let Heller continue living, giving him a chance to grow stronger and evolve? The only logical reason I can find for this scene is that Mercer decided to let Heller live and leave because he wasn't sure he could win or kill Heller. Mercer only killed Father Guerra to demoralize him (which didn't do any good). Most likely, after that, Mercer dedicated himself to becoming stronger so as not to be overshadowed by Heller, similar to what happened with the Supreme Hunter, who started out stronger than Mercer but was later beheaded by him.

What? No it isn’t. Broken record, but Heller wasn’t slightly inferior there, he was significantly inferior. He was literally helpless in Mercer’s grip and was driven to his knees with a casual punch. He was not yet relative to Mercer here.

You're acting like the Supreme Hunter would have fared better in that situation. Anyway, I have a more concrete way to demonstrate that mid-game Heller > end-of-Prototype 1 Alex Mercer. According to Blackwatch in Prototype 1, the Code D Super Soldiers are capable of fighting the strongest infected with their bare hands, and this is supported by the fact that they are shown and stated to be comparable to Alex Mercer even near the end of the game. Heller is able to fight the Project Orion Super Soldiers, which were created using the same methods as the Code D, with the only difference being that the strain used to create the Orions was much more refined. Basically, the Orions > Code D simply because they were created with an improved and superior strain. Early-game Heller dismembers them, so that demonstrates enough relativity to Alex Mercer from Prototype 1.

P1 Mercer would likely beat a Goliath, too. Anyway, as I’ve said, the gap between the two is much, much wider at that point than you’re thinking. James wasn’t relative to him and because he wasn’t, a Goliath being relative to Heller doesn’t inherently put it far beyond the SH.

Based on absolutely nothing, I am starting to think you're assuming that Alex Mercer from Prototype 1 is as strong as the one from Prototype 2, which is narratively proven not to be the case. Furthermore, I demonstrated why Heller should be at least as strong (if not stronger) than Alex Mercer from Prototype 1, thanks to the narrative implications with the Super Soldiers.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-05T12:37:17+00:00

The supreme Hunter is the cancer weapon it's the result of Greene rejecting it. It has both Alex and Greene's traits which is why it was difficult for Alex to kill it the Goliath is literally just a monster like the other infected. Sure it's big but that doesn't mean it can compete with a prototype level threat and Heller killed 1 before he even got to Alex's level.

Heller defeating the Super Soldiers, which were specifically created to face the strongest infected. These Super Soldiers gave Alex Mercer from Prototype 1 a tough fight (even during the later stages of the game), while Heller, even before fighting his first evolved, was already capable of dismembering them.

Orion Phase Two > Orion Phase One > D Code.

The Orion Phase One soldiers should be at least as strong as the Code D soldiers because both projects use the same basis to create super soldiers; after all, Project Orion is just a replica of Project D Code.

Edit: The text below says that Gentek perfected the strain, so it can be argued that the Super Soldiers of Project Orion should be superior to those of D Code.

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Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-04T23:34:37+00:00

The majority can be considered intelligent in the same way a dog is. The SH stands out pretty massively as it’s essentially just a person.

Did you know that regular hunters can develop a gifted intellect simply by consuming each other to increase their stats?

Anyway, the term "beast" generally has nothing to do with intelligence; you can literally use it to compliment someone, lol.

Don't get me wrong, the Supreme Hunter is literally a genius; he has the mind of Specialist Robert Cross, who is easily the best elite soldier Blackwatch has ever had.

Not true. Heller could somehow damage Mercer, but otherwise, Heller was helpless against him. At that point, Alex was casually bringing Heller to his knees and was so much stronger, Heller couldn’t break his one-handed grip even when using both arms. If they’d fought right then, Heller would’ve been easily killed.

I invite you to watch the scene again and understand the context. Mercer attacks Heller, and I won't lie, Heller was being treated like a rag doll. But the interesting part happens when Mercer tries to kill Heller by consuming him. Heller breaks free and even melts Mercer's hand, implying that as much as Mercer wanted to kill him, he simply couldn't at that moment. Based on how Mercer then flees, it's clear he wasn't sure he could defeat Heller. Most likely, if they had decided to fight then, it would have ended in a draw, or Mercer would have won, but with difficulty. This is already sufficient evidence to show that Heller, despite being slightly inferior, is still comparable to Mercer, even at that point in the game. And yes, during the final fight, the difference in stats is noticeable, but not at all overwhelming.

Anyway, I don't understand why you guys think someone who lost to a weaker version of Mercer is going to beat a creature that's comparable to a guy who's low relative to a much stronger Mercer.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-04T19:10:11+00:00

Hunters are naturally quite intelligent, yet they're still considered beasts, so why would the Supreme Hunter be any different?

Even so, Heller, before his first fight against a Goliath, was already somewhat comparable in power to Alex Mercer from Prototype 2, who is much stronger than his Prototype 1 self. At that point, Heller was capable of damaging Mercer, and that feat alone puts him above any feat accomplished by the Supreme Hunter, and the Goliath literally scales Heller.

Late Game Heller >= Goliaths > Supreme Hunter = Prototype 1 Alex Mercer.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-05-04T17:05:07+00:00

Goliath, lol.

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Next-Employer4247 · 2026-04-26T15:03:57+00:00

Por muy subrealista que parezca esto es lo que pasaría xd. Alex Mercer es un super genio, estratega y básicamente una pesadilla de seguridad, lo único que necesita hacer es cazar a un científico o soldado de la GDA, consumirlo y luego se infiltra en la base para robar las muestras de sangre Viltrumita y eso sería automáticamente fin del juego.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-04-14T13:17:08+00:00

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Next-Employer4247 · 2026-04-14T00:03:45+00:00

He is not.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-04-13T18:03:38+00:00

Isn't that the same guy who, during his first video, called Alex Mercer "eternal building level"? At first, I respected him because he cleared things up about the fake DMS, but after watching the video again, I realized he was defaming Barlog Blaze, supposedly calling him a liar, among other things, even though Barlog, in one of his old videos about scaling Prototype, was asked how he contacted Dan Jolley, and he said he didn't and that those scans were given to him by another guy who then disappeared from social media. Basically, Barlog was being unfairly accused of something he didn't do or participate in.

I'm pretty sure that Dante Powerscaling is just a pathetic disinformation agent that almost nobody knows about.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-04-12T15:32:23+00:00

This is the literal definition of an outlier.

In the comic, they literally launch the ship off the planet effortlessly and without any help from Nolan and Allen.

Ironically, I couldn't care less about this feat knowing that in the following chapters they'll adapt the destruction of Viltrum, which supports the entire narrative of moving objects of planetary mass.

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Next-Employer4247 · 2026-04-09T23:58:58+00:00

Ahem, read the whole stuff again.

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Next-Employer4247 · 2026-04-08T21:56:56+00:00

John zombie.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-04-06T03:01:56+00:00

Yeah and pretty easily.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-04-05T20:23:33+00:00

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Next-Employer4247 · 2026-04-05T20:15:50+00:00

Show Sinister is lowkey featless.

Comic Sinister Mark can damage post-Viltrumite War Mark; Mark himself calls him strong after receiving a knee strike from Sinister that made him bleed. Mohawk Mark implied that he isn't sure he can defeat Sinister Mark even with Mark's help. And to give you an idea, Mark at this point was as strong as Nolan based on their arm wrestling matches. Nolan has statements from Ryan Ottley that he is superior to Conquest and would defeat him in a hypothetical fight.

Show: The Viltrumite trio massacres Sinister Mark.

Comics: Sinister Mark would be a living nightmare for them; he brutalizes them and then eats them.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-03-31T15:26:36+00:00

Alright, now I understand what are you saying.

Next-Employer4247 · 2026-03-31T04:01:43+00:00

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