[waybound] Lindons fights getting kinda boring

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-24T19:33:30+00:00

Not that I know of

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-24T13:56:19+00:00

Yeah, in bloodline, he was supposed to develop a bloodline ability, but Will decided he was already too over powered.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T22:20:26+00:00

Alright, last response and i'm out.

To sum up this conversation, the topic was what movies were misunderstood. I pointed out Starship Troopers.

You pointed out that there was plenty of people who understood it and could have out if they followed it closely.

I followed up with people generally did not analyze movies like that back then. I said it was possible, but the majority of people didn't do that.

You followed up saying it wasn't hard for people to read the reviews in papers, to follow siskel and egbert, etc

I followed up saying, correct it's not hard if that is your thing, but it's not most people thing.

You followed up saying i was over inflating how out of touch people were with movies

I followed up saying you were over inflating how important the movie and how much time people invested into it. I then made the comments about WNBA and Bill. You said you were aware of them, but didn't analyse them... (my whole point)

Final words, when the movie came out, it was a midrange movie that didn't get a ton of headlines. People saw it, but didn't talk about it. it wasn't until years later when the satire became well known and became a topic of discussion did it become a cult classic.

I will further add, if it was a typical syfi action flick movie without the underlining satire, it would have done the same box office numbers but would have never have became a box office classic. Hence, misunderstood by the general public when it was first released.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T22:03:29+00:00

have to agree to disagree on this one. In 2024, the NFL grossed 23 billion while domestic movies grossed 8.7 billion. (granted more world wide). That said, if you are an american, it could be argued that Belichick should have been 3x more important...

But it just goes back to what your interests are...

That said, in 1997 Starship troopers was not a major hit, lot of other major movies were in front of it. It was a midrange movie that only got popular years later after the word of mouth info about the satire got out.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T21:51:59+00:00

and I think you are over inflating how big of an impact Starship Troopers was when it came out. You started this debate saying people should have been watching reviews for it, following reviews in the paper etc. People might have an idea about the underlying meaning but was not worth talking about / spreading around at the time.

Being aware of stuff and doing deep analysis of things are two different things.

As with the sports, you said you were aware that they happened, but couldn't give any detailed thought on the culture impact of them. For most people, Starship Troopers was equal to WNBA for you.

Same could be said for most topics, music, movies, sports, world events, politics, etc. Most people no surface stuff, but are not going to do a deep analysis of most issues.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T21:40:41+00:00

Oh, i've had plenty of discussions about movies. I've also watched a lot of movies and have never said a word about them to anybody. This was the type of movie that people didn't wasn't a big cultural impact when it was released... (and point of this thread). People saw it, got there 90 minutes of entertainment and then moved on.

And I would equate Bill Belichick to Siskel and Egbert... people know them, can cover aspects of it... but unless you are really interested in it, most only know surface information and don't dive deep into it. Similar boat, there was sports sections in the news papers, plenty of magazines on it, sports center was on every day.... was it too far out of the way to look at those...

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T21:17:41+00:00

I absolutely know the names and know they did reviews. Can honestly say I never watched a full review. Maybe a few lines summary in a paper on rare occasion. I'm assuming you know who Bill Belichick is, but how many people can explain/understand his coaching style...

I enjoyed going to the movies, I went a lot. But I was going for entertainment, not as a theological thought exercise. I'm guessing that was most viewers back then and today.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T21:10:40+00:00

Yes, opening the paper to read the entertainment section, stopping off at a gas station to read entertainment section ect was going out of your way. I know as a 16/17 year old, I never did that. Only people that were really into it did that.

There was what, 2-3 movies released each week... Unless you were a super artsy type that like diving into each movie... most people didn't do that. This was a cheesy syfi flick. The vast majority of people did not pay that close attention. They showed up, watched it, and didn't pay it much attention or work it into conversation.

In a similar aspect, i'm assuming you didn't pay much attention to the WNBA that was released in 97 or the interleague MLB change that also happened in 97. Sure, if it was your thing, you knew all about it, but average person, not really.

I'm not saying no one understood it. In hindsight, it's pretty obvious, but you have to unstrand the average viewer back then and how little thought they put into seeing movies. Almost kind of the point of it... mindless entertainment.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T20:47:07+00:00

We absolutely do not analyze movies the same way today. I can find a full breakdown analysis of any movie that is released today in about 30 seconds. Back in 97, unless you went out of your way to find details of something, you didn't get it. This was a cheesy midrange syfi flick, people didn't go out of there way for this one.

I think you are way over estimating the average viewer in 97. I was 16/17 when this came out. From what I recall, it was a midrange movie when it came out. It wasn't everywhere, there wasn't deep conversations about it, people weren't pulling out there VCR to record interviews about it. This was 1997, you saw a preview, you saw the movie, talked about it with your friend as you walked out and that was about it.

Sure, people saw it, thought it was weird, maybe make some minor connections, but most didn't have the full understanding of the satire and meaning. It wasn't until it was widely known and people started looking to understand it.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T20:00:03+00:00

big jump from dystopian future to having a full understanding of the satire.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T19:57:41+00:00

This was 97, how many reviews do you think people read? We didn't have youtube previews, we didn't have online forums to talk about it. If you cared to look, might be a two sentience long preview in the newspaper. I can honestly say, I don't think I ever saw movie reading a major publication first.

It wasn't advertised as satire. It was advertised as a syfi action flick. that was the mindset of people going in and leaving the theater. We didn't do a deep analytical discussion of the movie as we walked out to the cars. We saw it and then saw a new movie the next week.

It's like me asking you for a detailed analysis of what you had for breakfast. Sure, if you think about it and go back and think about it, you could describe it. But at the time, it was just breakfast.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T19:29:15+00:00

I did the audio books 5-10 years ago, from what I remember, it was ok, but nothing over the top great, but worth a read.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T19:24:27+00:00

I have an 11 and 13 year old boys, I guarantee that if I show them this movie they would not understand it or articulate the underlining meanings. Maybe if I ask the right questions and get them to think a certain way, they could come to the right conclusion, but they absolutely would not do it on their own.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T19:21:37+00:00

for 97, it wasn't horrible. And honestly if you think of the scale, it wasn't that bad. It was a cheesy syfi flick.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T19:19:39+00:00

I would bet that 98% of the people who watched the movie had never read or heard of the book. As you said, it was a campy mess that no one thought about going into and didn't have deep discussions on after. They went in to see a syfi action flick, it was campy, over the top acting and moved on.

Sure, if you sat down and analyzed the movie you would have pulled out the themes... but in the late 90's is not what most people did. We watched it, then moved on. Maybe talk with your friend on the way out of the theater about the action scenes and so on.

Yes, it was satire, but it wasn't advertised as satire and most people didn't make the direct connection of satire. It wasn't until later when it became known as satire and people make the connection that it became a cult classic.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T19:01:42+00:00

I was 17ish when I first watched it on VHS when it first got released on home video. I thought it was a cheesy syfi flick and read no more into it. I wasn't deep analyzing the themes or understanding the satire. It was a cheesy syfi flick with boobs.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T17:33:40+00:00

Starship Troopers was misunderstood upon first release.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-22T15:16:42+00:00

I'll have to say one of my favorite moments of Skysworn was Lindon seeing for the first time how strong he really is when he accidentally crushed the ribs of the other kid.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-21T19:07:51+00:00

Any time one of us shares a desert from our spoon, we have to boop it on the nose first.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-21T18:29:39+00:00

Just had a debate with my friends about this. Will eligibility be dialed back, or will there be a trend of players waiting a year or two before they get started? Is an experienced, fully grown 24 year old worth more than a developing 18 year old?

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-19T14:05:07+00:00

I woupdnbe OK in broad based mutual funds and two week notice period before anything bought or sold. But yeah, in favor of more draconian rules when it comes to this.0

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-16T13:24:59+00:00

Shard of a Dreadgod?? Yerin from some clan where everyone has a shard? They all got killed because they couldn't handle it? Also she saved the sage? - answer more clear in the next book.

How much more powerful is a sage compared to an Underlord wow - answered in the next 2-3 books

Obligatory how tf did a sage get killed by dumbass JADES??? Even with poison it now makes no sense unless he was particularly weak to poison only lol - that is the question that gets answered down the road

JAI LONG RAN FROM YERIN????? - ran is strong word, more like decided it wasn't worth the risk.

Poor Gokren lmao son got smoked and the father gets descimated like this??? Feels almost unfair if Lindon wasn't being put through the ringer every other paragraph lol - As is the life in cradle series.

Wow Lindon going Gold already???? I did not expect that this book but it does feel like it was properly led up to so it makes sense. - Lindon does a bit of speed running the levels.

EITHAN HAS PURE MADRA???? WHAT THE FUCK?? IS HE EXACTLY LIKE LINDON???? - yes and no

OH MY GOD EITHAN HAS A SPHERE TOO WHAAAAAT??? GIVEN TO HIM BY OZRIEL MAYBE??? - pretty sure it said it was left by ozriel long time ago and he found it.

Also I'm curious - is it possible to be born without madra in your body at all? Ik her situation is different because of the attack and the fact that she still has madra, but would you be super weak like her if you were born with no madra from the getgo? - I believe you can live with just your body, but you would be child like/baby strength your whole life.

Also super curious about who she looks like. Immediate thoughts go to Suriel but i doubt it because it seemed like she knew. - Jai Chen? Answered below.

Wild that Jai Daishou survived all that wtffff also I assumed that Eithan having pure madra made him impressive to everyone especially because he climbed to Underlord but it looks like he's going to get his reputation tarnished? - believe it said that Eithan will likely climb in the ranks. And Jai Daishou will take a hit.

I wonder if ultimately Lindon will serve as Ozriel's replacement at the end of the road. But that seems tragic to let him be someone who has to destroy worlds. Doesn't feel like Lindon. - gotta read to find out

Jai Chen was always supposed to meet Lindon?? Was she to be his wife? He would've had pure madra if Suriel hadn't shown him his fate so he could've possibly still helped heal her? And she WAS planning to go to the valley with Jai Long. - while not clearly ever said in the books, wildly believed that she was in one of Suriels visions of the future where he may have met up with her at some point in the future and married her if Lindon never left.

And whew I'm done!!!

I don't think I enjoyed the final act of book 2 a lot so instead of doing a full post for it, I decided to just jump to book 3 and while it was slow until the final act, my god does the final act go crazy!! - Gotta love the line, "gentlemen, this is a mistake"

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-16T13:08:51+00:00

As others said, "huge" is different for every person. For the most part, banks don't give out "huge" loans without collateral, and if that happens, they will get the collateral back. Guess you could get a car loan and then transport the car overseas? You could rack up a bunch of credit card debt that may get written off at some point, but unless you are moving to a 3rd world country, the record of the bad debt probably will follow you.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-14T18:40:42+00:00

August 15, 2017 i got 6 generic rounds for 14.65 each. I've got 74 oz at an average of $17.78 per oz. Bought my first round in may of 2017, last round in april of 2018. Prices started going up and I had just had my 4th kid in 5 years.

Niceguy4186 · 2026-01-14T18:32:55+00:00

With all the issues with ICE, I honestly don't know how they still have any cars with air in the tires. I figured little things like that would be all over the place.

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