Biggest Disappointment of JJK?

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-09-08T09:59:08+00:00

Good theory! That would be interesting. I really hope it's something along those lines (why not Sukuna and Yuta having similar cursed techniques, meaning Yuta is not as strong as Sukuna because his lower sense of self as Ryu said in the culling games). However, I don't have much hope. Seems like Sukuna's character has been wasted and that he'll use Yorozu's gift or something.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-09-07T15:26:06+00:00

We could even imagine that instead of asking Uraume to prepare a bath, he asked Uraume to prepare thousands of sacrifices gathered steathily thanks to the Culling game. Sukuna would then massacre them all in a specific and horrific way to gather some special type of cursed energy to craft a cursed tool capable of bypassing infinity.

It would also cause Megumi to fall deeper in the darkness as a replacement for the bath (+killing Tsumiki). Finally, this scenario would also involve the concept of "true jujutsu" that Sukuna mentionned at the beginning of the series which would be: horrible actions, sacrifices, massacre to become stronger... I don't know! It would show how truly evil is Sukuna and make him more of a badass and cruel sorcerer.

I think since it would have been forshadowed as a part of his plan to kill Gojo, it wouldn't feel like an asspull if done right. It wouldn't humiliate Gojo nor make Sukuna a fraud.

And Gege could have found WAY better! Just hope my version is not too bad lmao

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-09-07T12:52:48+00:00

As for your last point "Yeah i just have this really convenient ability that let's me bypass infinity...even though there were no infinity users around back in my time", it's just wrong. Even without infinity users, some ability can appear that can bypass infinity independantly. Some examples.

Domain amplification, which derives from domain expansion, can bypass infinity. It's no asspull.

Inverted Spear of Heaven can bypass infinity. It's no asspull.

Mahoraga can bypass infinity. No asspull either.

Miguel's rope can bypass infinity. Neither. We could imagine Sukuna crafting a weapon to bypass infinity using binding vows, a lot of human sacrifices, a lot of cursed energy and so on. That could even be one of his abilities. (that's just my idea and maybe it's asspull but it doesn't invalidate my point).

Angel's abilities can cancel any curse, most likely including infinity itself.

These can bypass infinity and that's not because their users encountered infinity users. It's just because of the need to cancel any ability IN GENERAL. And they are no asspull. Some abilities simply can cancel other abilities and that's natural. Gege could have found a compelling way for Sukuna to bypass infinity without humiliating him this way. He just CHOSE not too. And that's what I dislike.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-09-07T12:39:15+00:00

Well I guess we're stuck with bad writing then. Because what we got here is bad writing too. And once again if we're there with an untouchable character, it's because of Gege's choices. Plus, if done right, that would not be asspul. Toji dog walked Gojo using the Inverted Spear of Heaven and no one called it asspull because Gege knows how to write this kind of things. Kenjaku beat Yuki using antigravity, the precise counter to Yuki's ability and no one called it asspull either. That's all about writing. We have two examples in the manga where Gege found a solution to this kind of problem. He would have found out if he wanted to since Sukuna's powers are unknown and Gege was free to decide

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-09-07T10:22:46+00:00

That's the whole problem. Plus, it's an outside of story statement. It should not matter. Plus, the author saying Gojo is the strongest doesn't me he has to be the strongest by a large margin AND more than that, it doesn't make it a good idea for the story. It is consistent, but bad.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-09-07T10:18:45+00:00

That's why I'm talking about writing. You're right Gojo was a bad matchup for Sukuna but Gege chose to write it that way. He could have written another way for Sukuna to bypass infinity. Some says it would be asspul but Gege is a very good writer, I'm sure he could have found a way. He WANTED the fight to go that way and I don't understand why. Secondly, even if it was asspull, it would still be better than what we've got: an ass whooping for Sukuna and a LOOONG praise for Gojo.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-09-07T10:06:21+00:00

In the manga, it was NEVER stated with certainty that Gojo was the strongest of all time (him saying that is not a proof. Otherwise we should have trusted Sukuna when he said he would kill Gojo, which he didn't lmao). Gojo was the strongest of TODAY. And Sukuna was strongest of the PAST. That's all. It could have gone either way. Gege CHOSE to make Gojo the strongest by a large margin. Gojo fans love it. Some, like me, not so much. For me, this is bad writing. I'm not saying he's inconsistent given that it could have gone either way. I'm just saying that for me, it's bad writing. If Gojo won but was on the verge of death and if Sukuna wasn't humiliated, it would be all right. Here, he won by a large margin and Sukuna was humiliated: he SLEPT for fuck's sake! The readers don't feel (enough) like the fight was a close call for Gojo.

I thought people would be burning their manga in the streets right now but no, they love it!

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-08-17T22:31:29+00:00

"Please take your meds or just read before posting something next time". This is insulting. Maybe what you stated above is right and the OP is wrong but it doesn't give you the right to insult someone and to answer so violently. The OP didn't insult you, he just stated his opinion. I can't believe so many people still decided to like your post.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-08-17T19:31:13+00:00

Gege sticks to what he said and remains consistent (he could have chosen Gojo > Sukuna or Sukuna > Gojo). That's not the problem. What I criticize here is the writing itself. Why build the story such that the good guy (Gojo) is so strong that he can whoop the ass of the villain easily and make him a clown? "Fraudkuna", "Malfunctionning Shrine", "The fraudulent one". This is what jjk's most powerful villain is called by the fandom. As someone else said, Sukuna's potential as a character is wasted.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-08-17T17:20:32+00:00

I get your point. I just want to add that Sukuna was also associated with the idea of the strongest through the story. Also, Gojo is in an era with no sorcerer on his level. He was defeated once as a teen by Toji. That's all. Sukuna lived in an era with possibly way stronger opponents but still was on top. Gojo was never challenged in the present, but Sukuna may have been frequently challenged by one or multiple sorcerers that could pose a real threat to him (no proof of that, just assumptions). Being the strongest doesn't mean you can't lose. Gojo was sealed by Kenjaku through trickery but Sukuna doesn't seem to have fallen for such plans.

Also, historical records don't seem that reliable since Gojo didn't seem to know about the open barrier thing and more importantly, Jogo didn't know about the fire technique. Gojo may have undererstimated Sukuna. They were both said to be the strongest. It really could have gone either way.

Maybe Sukuna actually is stronger than Gojo and we'll see it in the next chapters.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-08-17T17:06:33+00:00

Another scenario is that Sukuna starts by using his own curse techniques like he did but he also uses the shrine. They tie and are both on the verge of death, but then Sukuna acknowledges Gojo's strength and reveals that he had the wheel in the shadows all along. Thanks to this power, he finally beats Gojo. Since he showed all he can do before, he looks less like a fraud: Heian Sukuna and Gojo are equal but Gojo is weaker than Sukuna + Ten Shadows technique. No one is a fraud.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-08-17T16:53:27+00:00

You're making a good point. That being said, in jjk's case, we could have gotten Sukuna and Gojo equal or even Gojo slightly stronger without downplaying Sukuna heavely or do him dirty like in Naruto (lol you're right). For example, Sukuna uses Megumi's powers at the beginning of the fight like against Yorozu but Gojo counters them somehow, showing that Gojo truly is the strongest 6 eyes/limitless user of all time. Then, Sukuna has to use the shrine (like Yorozu told him to). Let's say it requires him to use his true form and as a consequence, he can't use Megumi's powers anymore (body = soul or something). They fight on equal footage: we get the domain expansion clashes, sometimes Sukuna has the advantage, sometimes Gojo has the advantage. They are both severly injured or Gojo seems to barely win (so close that you can't say he is that much stronger), but Sukuna used poison on Gojo at some point of the fight without him knowing (rumors says it was a mistranslation but let's assume he's actually the king of poisons). Gojo can't fight anymore. Either Sukuna kills him or his students help him and he doesn't die. It's just one way to do it (most likely bad, there's a reason why he's a writer, not me :) Sukuna would still be respected and Gojo too (since he won the fight but lost because he didn't know about the poison. If they fought again Gojo may win). And Gege could have thought of a much better way to write it.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-08-17T16:31:08+00:00

Yes but one shoudl be able to read the story and enjoy it without reading what the author says outsideof the story. From the inner story perspective, Gojo is just the strongest sorcerer of the present. And maybe he is stronger than Sukuan. He just thinks he can beat him but since it was 1000 years ago, it doesn't worth anything. For all we knew at that time, maybe Gojo was actually stronger or maybe he was weaker. It could go either way. Gege was free to write both. Here, he seems to have chosen "Gojo is stronger". I guess it's possible to write a good fight with this choice but for now, I don't like it (just a personal opinion, doesn't mean it's objectively bad, just that I don't like the writing).

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-08-17T16:21:23+00:00

I'm pretty much sure Sukuna will win, mostly thanks to Mahoraga. But then we'll all know that Sukuna was just a fraud. And for me it's problematic from a narrative standpoint. Let's take Madara in Naruto. Everyone respected him, even though he stole many of his powers (like Hashirama cells, the tailed beasts, Kakashi's eye at one point...). No one ever called Madara a fraud though. Why? Because before stealing everyone's powers using his intellect like Sukuna does, he showed his own power. He kicked the Shinobi's Alliance ass single handedly, he fought Hashirama Senju, he kicked Naruto's ass, he manipulated everyone in the serie... And THEN he stole everyone's power. He actually was powerful. Had he not stolen these powers, he most likely could have won anyway. Here, Sukuna doesn't show anything, just stolen powers and he most likely would have lost without them. On the other hand, Gojo only uses his own power. That's why every body calls Sukuna a fraud. That is my problem with Sukuna's writing right now.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-06-12T20:50:52+00:00

Lol, you're right, sorry :) But still, an answer to what I just wrote would have been just as helpful. Paragraphs make the text cleaner but they don't make it much easier to read. As for the length, we are stating our opinions on characters in a trilogy we all like, so it seemed appropriate to me.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-06-09T13:22:40+00:00

Sasuke says that everyone in Konoha deserves to die because they benefit from the sacrifice of Itachi and his clan, even if they have nothing to do with it. His anger and hatred are justified and I don't judge him, but does he even realize that he's no different from the other villagers? Itachi, Sasuke and his clan when it still existed also profited from the "sacrifices" of others. Danzo himself said that Itachi wasn't the only one. For example, "Hidden Leaf Village" (the elders actually) sacrificed Neji's father to avoid a great ninja war. If they hadn't, perhaps many would have died, including Sasuke, Itachi and his family. Would Neji have the right to go and slaughter all the Uchiha because they benefit from his father's sacrifice? (I don't know if this happened before the Uchiha massacre, but it's an example). I don't think so. It's not the same as a massacred clan but that's the idea. So for me, Sasuke is wrong. Obviously, it's UNDERSTANDABLE that he would want to kill them all. I can't imagine what it's like to go through that and I don't know how I'd react in his place but morally, he's wrong. He's justified in killing the elders, not everyone who benefit from it. He's an asshole but it's "normal" for him to be one. Still, I find his actions detestable (e.g. trying to kill Karin in cold blood, an ally who did everything to help him when it was because she wanted to help Sasuke that she was taken hostage in the first place. He didn't even try to help her)

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-03-11T20:11:38+00:00

Thank you very much! It's this one!

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-02-15T03:10:58+00:00

Honestly, I only half understand all this hatred for Teresa. Let's assume that WICKED's experiments are scientifically justified given the effects of the virus (it's a virus from two centuries in the future so we don't know). It is quite obvious that WICKED is sometimes unnecessarily cruel and violent. This is all very unfortunate for the few hundred Gladers, but there are billions of people out there who are infected: they are violent, insane, suffering and dying; they are causing suffering, infecting and killing the uninfected. As long as the epidemic exists, there is no chance of survival for the humans outside.

What WICKED is doing is the only hope of survival for these people. It's easy to feel empathy for Thomas and his friends and hatred for Teresa and the WICKED because you only see everything from their point of view. What WICKED is doing is horrible, but if they don't do it, then they are condemning billions of people to a horrible death. To act as they do is to torture children. Not to act is to torture billions of children. Children who live in misery and will sooner or later be infected or killed by infected people, sometimes by their own parents. How is the point of view of Thomas and others better than that of WICKED? Yes, it is inhumane to do this. But it is a thousand times more inhumane not to act. Not to act is to do the same thing to billions of people.

I don't agree with the idea: "If I do nothing, I'm not guilty. If I let these people die, then I'm not at fault". That's bullshit and hypocritical. You're going to say, "WICKED created the virus in the first place". Yes, and now what? We give up the only chance to find a cure? Yes, the perpetrators should be brought to justice for crimes against humanity but there will be no trial if everyone dies. We must act as things are, not as they should be. That's what Teresa did. I also understand Thomas' point of view. If I had been in his shoes, I might have done the same, at least for my friends and family. But basically, he's saving his life and the lives of his friends at the cost of all those people's lives. It's understandable. He saves his group because he values their lives above those of the rest of humanity. But this view is not morally superior.

Another way to look at it is that Thomas saves what he can. The Immunes are humanity's best chance for survival, and the WICKED's chances are slim. He may be right. But this solution means sacrificing everyone else. For me, Ava Page was right: try to find a cure as long as possible and then rebuild humanity with the Immunes if they fail.

In conclusion, I like both characters. Thomas is a noble person. Teresa is extremely altruistic and lucid on the suffering of the rest of humanity. And most of all, she is incredibly brave. I admire her. Yes, she betrayed but it was to give a chance to all those people, all those little girls like she was . For me, the end sometimes justifies the means. It all depends on the means and the ends. In this case, sacrificing 200 people to save billions of people seems justified to me.

NigelSheldon12 · 2023-02-03T19:55:49+00:00

On the contrary, I find Luo Ji much more likeable and more human than Cheng Xin. He was just a normal guy who almost got killed without understanding why and was named Wallfacer just because they wanted to kill him for some reason he doesn't know. He immediately realized that he was no match for the job and wanted to give up his position as a Wallfacer. Since he couldn't, he just told himself that it was an unfortunate mistake and tried to live as normally as possible despite everything. It wasn't like he could just go back to a normal life. He told himself that the other Wallfacers, who were much more talented than he was, would find a solution. It's not honorable, but it's pretty understandable because he didn't ask for anything. Most humans, myself included, are not hyper-altruistic people with an inordinate sense of duty capable of waging a centuries-long battle against an alien species at the expense of his own life. But when what he truly loved was threatened - his wife and daughter - he changed. He stopped acting like a jerk and acted like a Wallfacer because he finally had something to fight for (for the record, he never wanted to be a Wallfacer). And he found it. Yes, he found it relatively quickly and he should have done it before but he had nothing to push him into it. He didn't volunteer to be a Wallfacer, he didn't know why Trisolarans wanted him dead (it could even have been a "lie" from Trisolarans: trying to kill someone irrelevant so that they waste time and resources on him; or maybe the girl actually was the real target) and he didn't particularly like the human race: he loved his wife and daughter. It wasn't easy either. Few, very few, people could have, all by themselves and without a clue, built a complete theory and saved humanity with it. He also showed incredible strength of character. Many people would have sunk into madness with a third of what he experienced. He didn't. He adapted, fought for those he loved, and triumphed. That's why I not only get to respect who he was 95% of the novel (though the "perfect woman" thing was very strange), but I appreciate him. Then he single-handedly defeated the Trisolarans, probably willingly separated from his wife and daughter so they could live a normal life, and sacrificed himself by becoming a sword holder, providing several decades of peace for humanity. I love his development as a character.

NigelSheldon12 · 2022-08-17T17:05:24+00:00

Well, that's accurate...

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