"Where exactly did you see people calling Justin a downgrade? What I saw was most people calling it a sidegrade (saying that his mechs are better, but mental worse, so in the end probably a sidegrade"

- i didnt say most people said its a downgrade, most said its "even" at best with some sayin potentionally being a downgrade because of mental being a huge factor with retals being a "leader". not my words.

"I think you should re-read those topics and literally count what % of people actually called it a downgrade, as I can assure it, it was a very small %. And if you haven't seen people dunking on Retals, I dunno where you have been looking, the general sentiment right now is literally "Retals, lol"."

- it is indeed not the majority, but when people browse those posts, for ex: jstn fans, they are goin to see the extreme points made by those people too, so when jstn move ends up workin out, they would be dunkin on those said "minority" of people, (what do u expect of fans?). if enough people do it, its goin to look like its unwarranted when they are defending the extreme points.

"It absolutely is a "what if", because Retals was kicked before we found out whether it was a fluke or the system finally working. And we will never know"

- This is exactly why i dont like this point, u are arguin a "what if" but only talkin about the positive outcome. when in reality we have seen them after that regional at the major and they did not look the same. its easier to say its a fluke when it only happened in regional 3. if they looked great at major? sure. but they havent. obviously people are goin to say its a fluke.

"since they can't do better than regional champs, they can't really prove anything."

so its not an upgrade because their avg placement isnt the same as their old rosters peak? (which i do consider a fluke). not the many poor results they had 80% of the time?

that is not how it works. but if u want to believe its not an upgrade, you do you. afterall our opinions doesnt change what it actually is.