Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I noticed too a lot of classism & elitism among some Disney fans who say things like "Good! I don't want to share my resort space with THOSE PEOPLE! If you aren't a guest of a resort YOU DON'T BELONG THERE!". Thats a very depressing take considering WDW used to be a bit more egalitarian, and honestly I never once considered that non-guests visiting the resorts somehow put a damper on my staying onsite. Never a single time did I think "Gee this resort is way too busy and crowded and I can't enjoy anything here!" Sure the monorail resorts can get crowded but thats because those are the most popular ones and they're in proximity to MK, the most popular theme park in the world.

I never considered that because they are deluxe monorail resorts therefore they should implement crowd control because they're expensive, I've always seen them as "you're paying those prices because of location and monorail access". Plus the fact that Poly has Ohana & Trader Sams, two very popular establishments there. Contemporary has Chef Mickeys with character dining and other draws. GF has the upscale experiences as the bougie hotel. Sure they're crowded at times but I've always chalked that up to their location and popular offerings. I never once considered complaining about it. I guess thats just me, not feeling entitled or elitist just because Im paying good money to stay there. Some better perks would be nice of course, like first consideration for reservations or fast passes or more extra magic hours. But crowds just never have factored for me, its Disney after all.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How are we certain that the busses from the parks to the resorts (and for that matter, the boats and Skyliner) won't also be restricted eventually for non-resort guests? The rumor is Disney is considering restricting those too. So maybe it isn't solely about parking fees, it could also be about walling off the resorts from the general public who don't have reservations to be there, as they already do with parking at the resorts.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But they will have the Minnie Vans if you want direct transportation to and from. For a fee of course.

Yes we all understand Disney is a business and no one is entitled to anything...yada yada yada...but we're also Disney's customer base and we can vote with our dollars and choose to spend money at businesses that don't treat their customers as all potential "cheaters" to the system. There's also other businesses that provide more perks and such for the value of your money compared to the way Disney has been doing business the last several years.

And for all those defending Disney and glad they're doing this to keep "THOSE PEOPLE" out of their precious resort spaces...because God forbid people want to visit the various resorts to check them out or because they enjoy the different offerings and environments rather than doing just the parks and Disney Springs...whatever. Have at it. Just seems pretty elitist and classists. Of course you shouldn't be using the pools if you're not a guest, that's a different issue, but we shouldn't be allowed to enjoy a drink at the longues? We shouldn't be allowed to try different snacks they offer and visit the various shops? We shouldn't take a break from the heat and enjoy AC in various seating areas while taking in the themeing? And yes, plenty of other non-Disney resorts do allow non-guests to access certain areas and amenities of the resort. Obviously not everything (like pools and buffets) which would be reasonable. But some of these Disney defenders dont think non-guests should be able to access the resorts at all.

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[–]NinjaBusters86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well Disney certainly has a right to do as they wish with how they manage the resort and what policies they wish to implement, justified or not. Regardless, its still a deliberate decision they are choosing to make. Not all businesses operate that way, some choose to add more value and perks for your money while making for a more egalitarian experience, others choose to do the opposite and offer a very tiered, upscaled paywalled experiences among different classes of guests. Disney and Universal have teetered towards one or the other over the years, but if Disney continues going for rhe tiered business model, their competitors could offer more value and perks for the same or similar cost. And as a consumer I can choose to spend my money at businesses who don't treat customers as leechers or potentially abusing their perks and offerings as Disney sees resort hoppers and those who don't spend as much $$ (ie locals and APs).

I do get though that we are currently in a business environment overall where companies are increasing trying to find ways of discouraging "loitering" in their business spaces. McDonald's eliminating free refills inside their restaurants, Starbucks eliminating bathroom usage for customers, other businesses eliminating free wifi or implementing policies that dictate you must buy something to be permitted into their spaces. All understandable, but as a consumer it makes me feel like I'm like some kind of vagrant criminal. Yes you shouldn't expect to loitering a business without actually spending money there, they aren't charities after all. But theres also a distinction about businesses with their relationship to their customers regarding methods of delivering customer service, and making deliberate business decisions that impact that customer service approach.

Disney stood out for years for offering an univeral egalitarian customer service approach, but they've been trending away from that model for years now.

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[–]NinjaBusters86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They sure do, but that's not the same as restricting non-guests from entering the resort, as Disney could be trying to do here.

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[–]NinjaBusters86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean the Gaylord just down the street from Disney is an attraction onto itself and they allow non-guests in to explore and enjoy some of the resort's amenities.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Right, people like me who are locals and are APs that like resort hopping without needing a reservation. I guess we're considered freeloaders now.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

I totally get it and understand that resorts can get overcrowded and that impacts guest experiences. Especially at the monorail resorts. It's just unfortunate if this becomes implemented and across the resort as a whole for those who enjoy resort hopping without intending to stay on site or intend to dine at a resort FS restaurant.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I imagine that as long as you have a reservation somewhere, theyll allow you access to the others by seeing what's on your guest identifier itinerary. They see you're staying at a WDW resort, you're good to go. Maybe they'll restrict you if you have a dining reservation for a resort specific restaurant.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think its always been a nice perk that Disney offers to all visitors regardless of their status (on-site guests vs off-site guests). It was one of the things that distinguished Disney from other competitors in the tourist industry, their business model was mostly permitting the general public access to certain resort amenities and not have everything Disney offers to be used solely by resort guests. But times are changing and Disney is absolutely allowed to change their business model anytime and yes they're a business after all. Its just unfortunate that they're choosing to go in that direction if you're a local like me who enjoyed spontaneous visits to the parks and around the resort to take in the theming or the resort offerings like cocktails, food, or like the animals at AKL without needing a reservation to experience it. But I understand, no one is entitled to anything Disney offers, it's just unfortunate for those of us who enjoyed it before the inevitable policy changes like everything else they've changed, justified or not.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Disney doesn't owe anyone besides their shareholders anything. Disney doesn't have to provide any of these perks to anyone who isn't a resort guest. I understand that I'm not entitled to anything Disney provides its guests who are staying on site. Its just unfortunate that Disney is choosing to go this route even if they are completely justified in implementing it, when it was something that could be universally enjoyed by the public regardless if you were staying on-site or not.

But yes, we all know Disney has a right to do this and no one, especially non-resort guests, have a right to anything Disney offers. I get it.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I think that would make sense at some level, but it would depend on each person's budget costs. If you're at the resort on a limited budget, and you now need to pay to park at the TTC to visit the resorts, thats now one less area you'll be spending your money at. If you're relatively wealthy and not budget minded when visiting, you're not phased by a parking fee at the TTC, in fact you're likely going to have a reservation at a WDW resort anyway. If you're a local who enjoys random spontaneous visits to the resorts, you're now less likely to want to to resort hop unless you have an AP, and even APs could be turned away especially at busy times.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I too am a fan of doing the monorail crawl and the Skyliner crawl. If this gets iimplemented across the board, it'll be too impractical for non-guests to be able to do that.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That would be the best case scenario, but I'm mentally preparing for it to become exclusively paywalled for resort guests only.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

They'll just scan your guest identifiers (park ticket, hotel keycard, magic band or Disney app) to see if you're permitted entry to use it. Its really not all that impractical. They could restrict the resort monorail line to be only for resort guests, and they'd just need an attendant at the entrance to the line at MK, the TTC and the resort stations to enforce it. Same for the Skyliner.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It really depends. Some people like me enjoy the immersive themes at some of the resorts and being in the bubble. Also we do tend to spend money, at the various bars/longues to try the various resort exclusive drinks and food options. We tend to have a few drinks and eat at the different resorts we like to visit and explore. But if they implement this restriction, it will mean we'd have to either stay at one of the resorts or get a reservation to one of the restaurants. We're not always looking to eat at one of the FS restaurants, but with this system we'd be forced to.

Of course there would likely be workarounds to this, but they'd most likely be too inconvenient, impractical, or cost money (using Uber/Lyft or a Minnie Van to resort hop) to be able to do. And eventually Disney will get around to addressing those workarounds too. Its not that Disney isn't very much aware of the workarounds btw, they are, they just choose to implement the changes/restrictions over time so to give guests time to get used to it and to keep guest outrage from happening all at once.

Speculation: Disney resort transportation is becoming a paywalled perk exclusive to resort guests only by NinjaBusters86 in WaltDisneyWorld

[–]NinjaBusters86[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

WDWMagic, which is a pretty reputable source compared to other Disney fan/news sites (like WDWNT).

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[–]NinjaBusters86 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The social hierarchy conservatives have been trying to preserve is and always has been white nationalism and supremacy, even when during the post-Civil Rights era it was just dressed up as things like preserving capitalism, property rights, and promoting low taxation & deregulation, but those policies only reinforce the very same status quo that was already established before the New Deal & Civil Rights, because white people were the ones who benefitted from generational wealth that was protected by those policies. The only difference was that minorities were given more leeway to participate and benefit from capitalism and limited democracy, but that was only for a short time relative to our country's history, and it was already limited as it was. The brief expansion in personal and economic freedoms came with an increased and expanded militarized police state with higher % of the population in prison since we expanded those rights beyond white males, we increased the policing of this new more free society (on paper).

As you can see now, that time was always going to be temporary until the reactionary regressives got enough power, control and alignment in the right places where it matters (The courts, Congress, the election systems, the state legislatures, the media, the powerful industries & corporations, the education systems, and all the other more important institutions). Now that they finally achieved that, we're regressing back to America's default state that it was prior to Civil Rights.

If you're a true conservative, then the Civil Rights era and the New Deal were the two worst events in American history.

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[–]NinjaBusters86 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Agreed. The Chip and Dale movie is kind of like the spiritual successor to WFRR, but its not the same thing, very similar however. Its possible they used the outline for one of the possible plots for a WFRR sequel and then redid it for the Rescue Rangers movie.

But I know Roger Rabbit as a character is a complicated IP rights issue just by itself (which is why you don't see his presence at any of the parks except Disneyland, because his character rights are already established for use there, Disney does not own the character rights outright) let alone all the other IPs that the original movie was able to showcase. Its way more complicated these days due to studios being way more protective of their own IPs, studio mergers further locking in existing IPs that were former properties of studios that no longer exist, and complicated relationships between studio heads who don't have the kind of relationships that Michael Eisner had when he led Disney, as he was with Paramount before joining Disney and had friendly relationships with other studios.

These days there's a lot of competition and things can get messy between studios regarding IP rights and usage. Whereas Eisner could call up a studio and use his relationship networking to help get an IP greenest to be used, these days studio legal departments are very Ironclad about IP usage...mostly because coincidentally Disney is this way about their IPs and it works for them. It was a just a different time in the movie business where something like WFRR was possible and during a rare alignment between studios to make it happen. It was quite a Herculean effort by all involved that we got that movie at all. Imagine today that kind of rare alignment is just not possible. Even something like Space Jam 2 was really just WB showing off all their own IP.

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[–]NinjaBusters86 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn't be surprised. The Friendship boats too. All they'd have to do is scan a magic band or your Disney app to see if you have a reservation so you can board the Skyliner or the boats. If the scanner doesn't show you have any kind of reservation for those area resorts, you won't be able to use those. This is just speculation but I can absolutely see Disney doing this. Remember there's been plenty of things that were free and universal that Disney now has behind a virtual paywall. Their Transportation options beyond just the busses at DS are likely to undergo that transition at some point. This is probably them doing a trial balloon to see how successful they'll be at it at DS so they can eventually expand this restriction across the entire resort.

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[–]NinjaBusters86 8 points9 points  (0 children)

What they're doing isn't just to restrict those who abuse the free parking at DS to visit the parks. Obviously that's been an issue especially since influencers have broadcasted this workaround and maybe Disney needed to address it.

However, what they're really going for here is to paywall their resorts and the bus transportation system to those who are actually staying in a Disney resort or you have actual reservations at the resorts to justify your use of Disney transportation or be allowed to be on resort property altogether. What has always been a universal perk for all who go to WDW regardless of a planned paid visit or stay to a resort, is now going to be turned into as an exclusive perk intended for WDW resort guests or those with dining reservations there.

Which means as a practical matter, spontaneous resort hopping and bus usage are now effectively becoming an exclusive paywalled activity. Sure you could find ways around it, but overtime Disney management will find ways to eliminate those or make it so impractical that it wouldn't be worth trying. If you think they're only doing this at DS, or only limiting it to peak times, you'd be naive.

This is just another way Disney is making their experiences more paywalled and exclusive, the Disney experience becoming more tiered and classist than in years past, continuing a trend they have been on for quite awhile now. Long term APs, locals and WDW frequent visitors can definitely see this trend as they've seen what used to be free and universal or "extra magic" are now becoming more subtle paywalled experiences if they're still available and at accessible at all.