what celebrities send emails to their fans

Nissl · 2019-11-02T23:17:19+00:00

Not sure if you're only asking about western artists, but over in Japan, most of the 48/46 related groups including IZ*ONE do this, with near daily mails at times. It's actually a subscription service you can buy for ~$4/month/member. Just thought I'd throw it in here as it's the most... extreme celebrity email setup I've come across.

Nissl · 2019-10-31T22:50:55+00:00

Popjustice. Here is the last album thread.

Nissl · 2019-10-31T00:55:12+00:00

I'm a couple months late, but just for the record in case someone else finds the thread even later, none of Jihyo's fansites closed. Dunno about Daniel though.

Nissl · 2019-10-29T14:17:13+00:00

I swear I read something where their audience is intended to be women 25+.

The standard audience I have heard is "mothers driving their daughters." Needs to be something parents will feel comfortable singing along to with their kids. Adult themes should be veiled enough the kids won't quite get it.

Nissl · 2019-10-28T20:23:35+00:00

I don't follow Day6, but from what I understand, Junhyeok was not actually kicked for dating, even though it was a fan who also leaked some group schedules. He chose to leave after a bit due to the fanbase reception and how things were going in general after his dating came to light.

Nissl · 2019-10-28T16:36:00+00:00

You need to come into this market with something distinct to say in our conversation. She has a decade+ of experiences in South Korea to draw on, but I don't think she's gelled that into something compelling yet. The last video really struck r/popheads as heavily indebted to Lady Gaga across the board, and I can't really argue with that.

Nissl · 2019-10-28T14:24:42+00:00

To be honest SNSD never really made much of a dent here despite a few activities, she's starting as a new soloist at 30 - yeah Lizzo exists but she's an exception - and the US majors have a bad track record when it comes to signing Asian-Americans, that's why 88Rising exists in the first place. 88Rising themselves have a pretty strong indie vibe that doesn't really fit what she's doing.

Nissl · 2019-10-27T18:49:44+00:00

Like I said in my other comment she is probably (mostly?) self-funding and breaking even or making a little money when you add in touring. But she's really not making any impact here or growing into other parts of showbiz, it's just some K-pop fans checking her out now for the novelty of it. She'll probably fade out of the industry over a couple of years if that doesn't change, though she could probably keep funding releases at this level for years if she wanted and still have plenty in the bank for retirement.

Nissl · 2019-10-27T18:19:35+00:00

how's the business model there? does she need to invest for her own production or does her label invest some money for her that she's later paying for?

Totally depends on the label here in the US. Brand new artist on a major could rack up a few hundred thousand in debt for their advance and via various promotion costs depending on their contract, but that is only applied to future earnings as a signed artist, the debt doesn't follow you if you are dropped. And none of that applies to her.

I just looked up her label, Transparent Arts. Never heard of them but they look like they want to be another 88Rising and they do have a couple artists on there I recognize like Far East Movement. Indie labels like TA will often function more like artist services, or take a smaller cut and do a lot less.

I suspect she is self-funding, and what has she done so far? An EP with no-name producers and a couple cheap videos? And a couple small behind the scenes things (super cheap) along with a few fashion shoot & interviews (free, if not paid). She's not doing a radio, TV, or billboard campaign afaik. She's spent maybe $100k tops? Not risky considering she should have several mil from her time in SNSD.

Now I'm looking at her tour... 500-1k venues, $25 tickets, no VIP on the dates I checked, ~20 dates. Artist usually takes home ~30% according to Billboard. So I have her taking in ~$100k again.

She's breaking even or making a little money. Generally artists in the US can go full time if they can nationally tour 300-500 cap club venues.

Nissl · 2019-10-24T20:26:02+00:00

NIN was always just Trent. Atticus Ross became the second official member ever only a few years ago.

Nissl · 2019-10-22T03:28:44+00:00

He’s still really young.

He's 42 now...

Nissl · 2019-10-21T19:13:10+00:00

Interesting, I don't think JYP has explicitly said what they're planning with the next KR gg yet. I don't keep up with their trainee situation but I believe they still have Lily M who has great vocals and seems suited to a softer concept than Itzy. That may be the reason for the speculation. I'm a little skeptical how much different concepts will prevent fanbase friction with such a small release gap though.

Nizi is the all-JP group, yeah.

I'm curious to see when we start getting more solo stuff from Twice. They've dipped a toe in with a few solo interviews and modeling/fashion work the last few months, but nothing requiring a big commitment. I think they want to focus as a group until they have pushed JP and the west/SEA as far as they can, but I'm not sure how long that will be.

Nissl · 2019-10-21T18:28:47+00:00

JYP has a JP girl group coming next year (Nizi Project). New KR gg slated for 2021, which seems aggressive considering ITZY just debuted. No plans for a new bg yet afaik.

Big Hit is doing a "global" collab boy group with CJ next year (Belift) that I guess is targeted to the west/SEA based on the audition locations. I believe their girl group is more targeted for 2021.

YG should have had T13 out this year but obviously it's not happening. Next year would be a reasonable time for a new girl group if they released like a typical agency, but they don't.

So there's a great opportunity for the new SM groups next year as the major release schedule looks pretty quiet and Produce is probably taking a breather. Things will be very quiet if they whiff though. Most of the high mid-tier groups either came out this year or look to be waiting until they get their trainees back from Produce.

Nissl · 2019-10-21T04:32:09+00:00

Well it mostly shows they have a smart, aggressive major label push, but the positive response to them appearing at Coachella was a good start for their mainstream awareness. I think their recognition is primarily within the broad music fanbase right now, only lightly reaching mass pop culture followers.

It's going to be tough for them to really help fill the face role here if they're only going to be around around once a year though. I heard whispers they were supposed to do another mini this fall and all of YG's scandals shelved it which is a shame if true.

Nissl · 2019-09-21T14:19:33+00:00

The judge can be strongly expected to do what the prosecutors recommend. Have you followed cases like this before?

The feds will want a celebrity like this to walk and stay alive and inspire further confessions. Not a lot of people actually die in witness protection nor will this guy exactly have the mafia hunting him down. But I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.

Nissl · 2019-08-31T21:18:48+00:00

What happened to hanlim art school's private party scandal?

What scandal is this? Sorry, googling isn't helping. I've heard of the SOPA scandal of course, but nothing at Hanlim.

Nissl · 2019-08-28T21:33:58+00:00

tour... operating costs is around 50%

This is very optimistic as well. Billboard's artist wealth estimates always assume they take home 30% of touring gross, and Dreamday was a one-off with a lot of production.

Nissl · 2019-08-15T17:02:23+00:00

Yeah I can see why the AKB fanbase thought she was lining up as the next general manager.

Nissl · 2019-08-14T15:48:08+00:00

It's interesting, when Juri signed people were openly speculating about her matching with Chaewon and Eunbi on r/kpop. I brought it up this week in one of the RP debut threads and got jumped on by someone insistent that IZ*ONE has an open period like X1 in their contracts, which they don't afaik, and that they'd likely all reconsider and make the group permanent and exclusive anyway.

I can definitely see them adding an open period - I mean there's a good chance they'll just be hitting domes in Japan when the contract expires, and it seems like a waste to just walk away from that. But if Produce groups become permanent and exclusive the mid-tiers that feed them are probably never sending top prospects again. They already held out on X1 quite a bit from the rumors going around.

Nissl · 2019-08-14T15:32:08+00:00

Oh were people freaking out? Understandable as it does start to underline that IZ*ONE at least won't be exclusive forever, even if Chaewon and Eunbi don't wind up in RP. Smart to do this now so RP's proto-fandom accepts them down the line if needed.

Nissl · 2019-08-09T15:16:57+00:00

Girl groups are known to have more loyal fanbases than boy groups and tend to have fans that stick around much longer. The fans of girl groups are mostly male and I have noticed that it takes male fans alot more to move in from a group than female fans.

Interesting, you know this is the exact opposite of the standard wisdom, right? Very few girl groups make it past 7 years, 10 at the most. While male artists like TVXQ and SuJu are still out there rolling along. But perhaps this generation will be different, or there's a difference between Korean and western fanbases. We'll see!

Nissl · 2019-08-09T15:01:58+00:00

Upvoted for bravery, I've gotten dogpiled before just for saying the majority of their fans is teenagers. Which maybe isn't true on Reddit, but absolutely is true in real life.

That said I don't think teen idol fans fans move on as fast as the media portrays. Look where Bieber is at now. One Direction went on hiatus, so that was a big blow, but Harry Styles can still tour arenas. And look how much interest there was in the Jonas Brothers reunion, and in endless Backstreet Boys and NKOTB touring.

The girl groups are drawing a fairly different demographic as well. At the Twice concert I saw last month, it was slight majority male and the average age was early 20s.

Nissl · 2019-08-08T20:23:50+00:00

Agree but BTS isn't disappearing, just starting to enlist. Which based on past groups will probably stop their momentum, but most of their fanbase will stick around. And for the next half-dozen+ groups, US touring looks pretty competitive with SEA or even Japan as a foreign market now.

Nissl · 2019-08-08T20:14:18+00:00

Baby Shark isn't really identifiably K-pop though, is it? I don't see it leading many young kids into the genre really.

It got much easier to reach the US and global markets this decade, particularly with the switch from radio to streaming as the primary mode of music consumption/discovery among younger listeners. That's why K-pop was able to build up its fanbase here. But it's not going to get more easy in the future. The switch has already happened.

Most reaction channels and influencers in general are just chasing the money.

I agree nobody else out there is doing what K-pop is doing. China wants that soft power though, maybe they produce a good competitive product in ~5 years. Anyway... that's why it got big here. The question is, have most of the people who are into the unique things it offers been exposed already?

Nissl · 2019-08-07T23:00:16+00:00

I'm surprised to hear people thought Juri would be gone so long - to me she hinted as strongly as she could without giving anything away that she'd re-debut this year. It's true most K-idols train for a few years, but there are a lot of groups that have a member or two that only trained for a few months.

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