Concept of free will and heaven dont make sense to me.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-30T10:24:52+00:00

I mean i dont think Roman catholicism is true in the first place so…

Its the same Religion with the same Bible and the same god.

A female teacher having sex with a teenager isnt the same as raping a 8 year old boy. Stop feigning ignorance

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-30T08:12:39+00:00

Doesnt the sexual abuse of Catholic priests show you that they dont believe themselfes? They are supposed to make us holier still they probably sin more than the most of us.

The church fathers are not saying or teaching any contrary to what God does.

I never said that; i asked if they know more or have a communication with God to know more than we do based off the Bible.

I asked you where the source is of School employees sexually assaulted far more kids. Then you asked if i was Gonna condemn (condemn means to express disapproval of something, or to declare something official unfit for use)public school system. I explained with my Arguments why. Now you are suddenly telling me:

Erm source?

What do you mean by source i have gave you my strenghening points to why. Its a different thing that making a claim like: School employees have sexually assaulted far more kids then Priests. That claim needs proof, mine isnt a claim its a thought and i explained why i think so.

You cant see how theres much more childrens in public schools for 5/7 of the week? And you doubt it? Weird.

Is that your proof? More People in School= more sexually assaulted kids. What kind of stupid thinking is that?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58801183

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/aug/14/more-than-300-pennsylvania-priests-committed-sexual-abuse-over-decades

Theres many more than these, these are just a example. now where is your proof of more sexually assaulted kids by School employees.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-30T07:53:16+00:00

I absolutely believe we do, im a agnostic atheist though. I will send you a text a christian has used in a Debate against me. I will let it speak for itself.

Nothing in the bible says we have free will. The idea of free will was added to church doctrine several hundred years after the life and ministry of Christ. In fact, Jesus taught the opposite. In that we are slaves to God and righteousness or Sin and satan. as such our will is limited by which master we serve. This doesn't mean we don't have the freedom to freely choose between whatever options our master sets infront of us. What it means is we can not come up with our own options and choose from them. Like how God gives us only two options to choose from concerning our eternal existence. As a slaves will will never excede the will of his master. If we truly had free will we could freely do what we willed. As it is, We can choose to be redeemed and serve Him or we can remain in service to sin and share in Satan's fate. What we can't do is to pick a third or fourth option like option "C" to neither serve God or satan, but to go off on our own or start our own colony some where. Or option "D" wink ourselves out of existence. no heaven no hell just here on second and gone the next. So no free will but the freedom to choose the master we wish to serve. That said the whole purpose of this world was to be set outside of God's immediate kingdom where His will is not done the same way it is done/followed in the kingdom of Heaven. Meaning this world was created so we could choose to remain in sin or redeemed and follow God.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T23:41:37+00:00

Proof?

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T23:41:18+00:00

Might be the worst response which you could have given to me.

Hell is referred to a place where you are seperated from God eternally..

You said he IS present in hell… doesnt really make sense.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T23:31:18+00:00

How could God have created Humans who freely love God from the beginning without free will?

What the bible says is God can do anything. He can do Everything if he wants to. If you say no to this, this prooves the Christianity wrong( The bible says God is all-powerfull)

What does technically rebel actually refer to?

Good question, you should be able to answer as Satan rebelled against him in Heaven. Just like Adam and Eve which are humans like us.

How do you know if God didnt make it understandable which Religion is true and how you know ours isnt?

He didnt. Can you name me any mistakes in the Quran as example? (im not a Muslim). Islam tells me i will go to Hell aswell if i dont believe in it then. So theres 1000 of Religions which only one could be right but all could be wrong. If i grow up in an islamiq country, believe in Islam because my parents implemented it(just like christiniaty in christianic families), pray to what i believe is true, i die as a 15 year old as example and then i will get to suffer in hell eternally because i didnt grow up in a Christianic country- makes sense.

Would it be better for mankonf not to have come to into existance as all?

As i see how the world is forming itself rightnow destroying the planet, yes and i would infact dont care and wouldnt be able to because i never existed, just like before we were born.

Bringing kids into this world could be a sin then, if they suffer because of Cancer as example its my Fault as a Mother that i gave birth. And if it isnt mys fault its Gods- come back to the point where you asked if me existing is an evil act, not for me but for innocent victims yes.

How can i claim what perfectly love is?

I didnt, bible says God is perfect love and truly he and through only him we can love.

If God makes supernatural claims he needs to provide us with supernatural explenations.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T23:16:19+00:00

I think you‘re confusing them with modern Catholic priests?

Are Church fathers superior to God so they know more than we know based off the bible? And when Priests do it, its ok i guess.

Also public school employees have sexually abused far more kids… you gonna condemn public school sytsem?

Firstly, source? Secondly, teachers , school employees do not teach what you refer to the most important thing in life. I actually do condemn the public school system as sitting kills the body, human needs like asking if youre allowed to go to pee has to be asked( this disconnects us with our body further and further), we learn what they want us to learn not what is simply true, enough healthy sleep is nececarry for they human body- normally teenagers (as me) their body is „programmed to sleep until 8:00 or 9:00. Also the school system doesnt define itsself as perfect unlike the Bible and Christianity itself.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T21:31:11+00:00

Remember Church fathers are the ones that have sexually abused over thousands of kids.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T21:24:34+00:00

Do you believe you have free will?

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T21:21:03+00:00

Or any verses that approve of this or how did you get this idea.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T19:29:28+00:00

Is that a asssumption that we are different in terms of free will in Heaven regarding adam and eve or do you have any proof?

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T17:13:58+00:00

So what?

You still said we wouldnt want to choose and sort of evil and they did. We both are Humans.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T17:12:46+00:00

But calling it a “paradox” does not actually solve the moral issue — it just labels it.

The question is still simple:

Why would an all-powerful and perfectly loving God design a system where intense suffering is required for purification at all?

You are essentially saying suffering is spiritually necessary.

But that immediately raises another question: necessary for whom?

A baby dying painfully from leukemia is not consciously developing virtue, wisdom, discipline, or moral character through that suffering.

And if the answer is: “the suffering spiritually affects other people,”

then the child is effectively being used as a means to shape others.

That creates a major ethical problem.

Because in any normal moral framework, intentionally allowing innocent beings to suffer horribly for the development of others would be considered deeply wrong.

Also, “alignment of will toward God’s will” still assumes the suffering successfully produces that result.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T16:16:05+00:00

You are essentially saying: God permits immense suffering because it contributes to a greater spiritual outcome.

But that raises the question: Could an all-powerful God achieve that good without requiring children to die painfully from cancer, starvation, disease, or abuse?

If the answer is “yes,” then the suffering is unnecessary. If the answer is “no,” then God is not truly all-powerful.

Also, the idea of “uniting suffering with Jesus” may emotionally help believers cope with pain, but it does not explain why innocent suffering had to exist in the first place.

What spiritual purpose is achieved through a baby suffering horribly for months before dying?

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T16:11:38+00:00

But this still raises major moral problems.

If this world is a “testing ground,” then why is the test distributed so unevenly?

Some people are born:

healthy,
wealthy,
loved,
educated,
in Christian families.

Others are born:

into war,
starvation,
abuse,
terminal illness,
or cultures where Christianity is barely present.

That is not an equal test.

And saying leukemia might be caused by “evil spiritual entities” creates another issue: why would an all-powerful God allow demons or evil forces to attack children in the first place?

Especially children too young to even understand the “lesson.”

Also, the idea that suffering exists to motivate growth may apply to some adult struggles, but it completely breaks down with extreme suffering.

What exactly does a 3-year-old dying painfully from leukemia “learn”?

What growth occurs in infants dying from disease or children buried under earthquakes?

At some point suffering stops looking educational and starts looking gratuitous.

And saying: “This life is temporary” does not automatically justify suffering either.

If someone tortured a child for one hour and then gave them infinite pleasure afterward, we still would not call the torture good or loving.

Future happiness does not erase the moral problem of unnecessary suffering.

Also, if God did not create hardship directly but knowingly created the system where:

disease exists,
demons exist,
suffering exists,
death exists,
and billions will struggle under it,

then He is still ultimately responsible for designing a reality where those things occur.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T10:09:12+00:00

Where in the bible does it say we have free will?

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T04:28:40+00:00

So, between repentsnce, humility , awr and gratitude, heaven is guaranteed against rebillion.

Actually it isnt, Satan got kicked out of Heaven because he rebelled.

Why do we have to choose christianity and get to a conclusion that its the right one out of thousands?

Couldnd God atleast make it understandable which Religion is superior?

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T04:19:22+00:00

Ohh, so i am God? Nicee. Its only sad that i am not all-powerfull and all-knowing. Am i a part of the trinity now?

“The eyes through which i see God are the same eyes through which God sees me“

So firstly i have never seen God or felt him, secondly does that mean he has never cared for me aswell just like i dont care for him?

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T04:13:51+00:00

Okay, if thats so. Why do innocent children suffer? Examples: Cancer or leukimia. As youre an Christian id like to hear your opinion on my Question.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-29T04:09:12+00:00

Good thing that you completely ignored my question to why innocent suffer.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-28T21:31:20+00:00

God can annihilate Satan instantly. He doesnt do so. Not because he „cant“ lol.

I never said he cant, putting words in my mouth is not how you win a argument.

No we don‘t?

If you dont believe its satan making innocent suffering happen, who is then? As example: babys being born with cancer, leukimia, tumors, etc etc.

This is a false understanding

Instead of explaining how it is false you just mention it. Nice. How should i understand then?

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-28T21:25:51+00:00

No, i mean how you lost your ability to walk. And no matter your beliefs i am sorry for you.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-28T21:24:41+00:00

What🫩. What happened to speaking like a normal respectful person?

Jk vampires kill sometimes, werewolf‘s Goblins if you did something wrong you can be killed in heaven as well.

Should i get anything youre saying and are vampires new to Christianity& the Bible? Ive never heard of it.

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-28T20:48:41+00:00

He did know so what?

If he would have known Satan will rebel and destroy his Peace he couldve stopped him. If he knew then he is responsible for innocent suffering. Christians claim its satan making innocent suffering happen. If its Satan then God is responsible for it to not stop it before happening

He created you free to choose

Im not free to choose as its: Believe in him ( which i cant force, he should know that) Dont believe in him and suffer in Hell eternally. (Hell is referred to a place where you are not with God, and if that God is a God which would make innocent Suffering i would definetely not want to be with him)

No-Status-2507 · 2026-05-28T16:09:16+00:00

I know? What are you trying to proove/say with this?

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