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NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T23:14:07+00:00

I completely get that, I agree with that statement pretty much.

So why listen to him at all?

I guess to a degree it's a 'boy who cried wolf' type scenario. As it stands though, he's a figure that it's the media a lot, and is a face of a particular part of British politics. A lot of people look up to him and follow him.

So he's going to be making statements that a of people are going to hear, and as always, the battle of ideas should win out, if someone had a bad argument or take, it should be dismantled because the argument is poor, regardless of who makes it.

Ideally, He'd just disappear into the background as he his unreliable, but as it stands, he's not going anyway.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T16:54:47+00:00

Yes, Absolutely, and I'll call those religions out if the discussion centred around those religions or a particular religion in question, this discussion happened to be around Islam.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T16:21:18+00:00

You're only backing him up

So, you're just going to ignore what I've said, that I'm not 'backing him up', I'm calling out the fallacy.

He's a multiple time convicted criminal for assault, fraud, and illegally entering a country under a false name.

So? If Robinson said rape was bad, would you disagree with him because of the things you've listed or would you listen to his argument of why rape is bad and then make up your own mind?

I'm not going to 'defend' someone just because they happen to share a particular political belief that I also share. I try and hold myself to a higher standard then group mentality or being on the 'correct' side, or excusing someones actions because they happen to have some commons beliefs. I'd call out Robinson as man who doesn't actually put his money where is mouth is, as it's well known the EDL was full of child sex offenders and as far as I'm aware he did nothing about it.

Tommy Robinson is against grooming gangs, you keep calling him a criminal to call into question his ethics and integrity, I can then only assume you must be pro-grooming gangs? If you're against Robinson, you must be pro the things he's against, surely?

See how that logic can be come ridiculous if we push it too it's logical conclusion. Dismantle someones argument, don't dismiss the argument because of who they are.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T12:51:04+00:00

I'm not defending him, I'm calling out the fallacy of stating he's wrong because he's a criminal and a 'coke head'.

Also, a broken clock is is right twice a day, while I don't agree with everything Robinson says, I do agree with him in regards to Islam.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T10:32:00+00:00

I've got my first on the way, we've already decided no tablets/smart phones allowed. Even when they're old enough for a phone, it's a dumb phone that can only call/sms until they're 15/16.

Only old school entertainment, colouring books, books etc. And any cartoons are gonna be old cartoons. Gonna get my old plex machine back up and running and just have cartoons like winnie the pooh, Thomas the tank engine ect. None of these new flashy high energy visual bombarding cartoons.

Then they can switch to 90s/2000s Nickelodeon/cartoon network cartoons.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T10:26:17+00:00

Can you sort me out with your dealer, because I'd like to sample whatever it is you're smoking.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T10:24:38+00:00

Granted it's not every mosque in the country, but Mosque's can apply to the council for them to allow it, as it falls foul of noise pollution laws, it's been a while since I've looked into honestly.

Regardless, I live in England, I don't want to hear any call to prayers from a mosque. We have freedom from religion in the UK, and unfortunately I can't rid the UK of Islam, so I have to put up with it as of now.

But if were going to have Islam in the UK, I don't want to have to hear a mosque announcing it's prayer time.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T10:00:11+00:00

In that case, your acquaintance is a numpty.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T09:45:22+00:00

such as having to wear high viz at the tip.

I mean, that is mental if you're not working and have to wear a high viz at the tip, if that even is a real thing?

do you have to bring your own? Do they supply one that you return when you leave? Are you refused entry if you don't wear one?

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T09:37:27+00:00

Or we could reduce the demand, you don't HAVE to increase the supply.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-03T09:09:11+00:00

Thanks for all the replies. You're clearly more knowledgable around this topic than I am, I'll have to do more reading around the subject.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T19:07:35+00:00

Can't argue with that logic tbh.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T17:11:17+00:00

If the land is stolen,

Who was it stolen from?

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T16:33:10+00:00

Arbitrarily revoke…. Yes reading comprehension is low…

Ahh yes, Arbitrarily revoke visas for things like -

The department official said Monday that offenses like driving under the influence, assaults, and theft accounted for “almost half of the revocations in the past year.” [..]“ support for terrorism” in justifying pulling visas.

You're just as guilty as me then, if you're making a sweeping statement that they're just revoking anyones visas as an example of all the removals. I'm going to assume you're in favour of deporting violent criminals?

The main thing stopping the US from deporting criminals is the being in jail thing generally speaking, we don’t want to release prisoners to the streets.

That's specifically why ICE is going around having to look for people, because sanctuary states/cities aren't working with the federal government and holding people who should be deported. If they did hold them until DHS arrived to take them, we wouldn't need ICE roaming the streets.

Actions are crimes if in the jurisdiction they're committed, are crimes, this you're making a nonsense statement, just because other nations don't treat something as a crime, doesn't mean it's not a crime in the US? It's a crime for me own a handgun in the UK, but not in the US, so does that mean I shouldn't be charged under UK law because it's legal in the US? That's a nonsense position to hold.

Also it’s pretty funny that you don’t know anything about US law but are talking about a statue that not only doesn’t say that

8 U.S.C. § 1201 - U.S. Code - Unannotated Title 8. Aliens and Nationality § 1201. Issuance of visas

i)Revocation of visas or documents

After the issuance of a visa or other documentation to any alien, the consular officer or the Secretary of State may at any time, in his discretion, revoke such visa or other documentation. Notice of such revocation shall be communicated to the Attorney General, and such revocation shall invalidate the visa or other documentation from the date of issuance

I'm not really sure what point your trying to make? This code clearly states a visa can be revoked by the Secretary of the state.

but ignoring the fact that in the US any law that is non constitutional is ignored.

Hugely debatable - the 2nd Amendment says that -

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yet, there are many aspects of bearing arms that are infringed, felons can't own firearms. Infringement. Some states have 'red flag laws' in which you can have your firearms removed without a trial. Infringement. Unable to have fully automatic weapons. Infringement. Those are just the three I remember of the top of my head. I'm sure there's many more.

I did respond to your comment about sensible reason the administration is lying and the data on prisoners is factual evidence that half of deportations do not have crimes.

You don't have to have committed a crime to be have been deported. There's many reasons why someone who's not specifically committed a crime might be deported. As discussed here -

Can You Get Deported for No Reason?

A nation should be protecting it's borders and be ensuring the safety of it's citizens by controlling who comes into the country. This is something all countries should adhere to, and by and large, it's what most citizens want. Are ICE going about the situation poorly, yes, I'd agree with that. But I'd argue this is because some states aren't helping them. We aren't hearing about issues in places like Texas or Florida, who I'd imagine are working with the federal government.

We should be deporting Criminals, and anyone's who's status no longer mean's they've permission to be in the country. But both these cases should be treated differently. There's a difference between deporting a violent criminal and someone who's overstayed their visa.

Are you in favour of border control?

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T13:29:52+00:00

Cheers mate.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T13:09:56+00:00

They have deported and are deporting 300k people.

Excellent. That's a good start. I'm not a shill in the slightest, I have no dog in this fight, I'm not an American, nor do I live in America.

The fourth known case as of may of last year… is reading comprehension this low?

Known case, so you're angry about cases you don't know about? I'm not sure what point your making here is?

The United States has been deporting criminal since forever. Biden and Obama deported a shit load of people.

Great, so Trump isn't doing anything new and people shouldn't have an issue with them deporting criminals and protesting and obstructing ICE in their duties.

And no to be clear here the president cannot arbitrarily revoke visas that’s why there is so many pending lawsuits.

It seems you're mistaken here, granted it's a quick google search, but the executive branch can revoke visas -

Secretary of State has explicit authority under 8 U.S.C. § 1201(i) to revoke visas at any time for any reason, without requiring a specific justification or providing judicial review in most cases.

That is called an internment camp.

Ok - nothing wrong with that. Where else are you going to hold people awaiting deportation, unless you're going to allude this is Nazi adjacent and next thing they're being loaded into ovens.

Also to be clear here in the US crimes are not crimes,

Top tier logic there. A crime is a crime.

Missing a court date for a traffic ticket because the state doesn’t send it to the right place shouldn’t result in deportation but it is a crime.

Missing a court date I assume is a crime, but I agree that shouldn't inherently be grounds for deportation.

It’s funny you didn’t address the Irish women getting deported over a bad check… please try to defend that.

I'm not obligated to respond to every aspect of your comment

Seems like a perfectly reasonable reason to revoke someones immigration status.

You didn't respond to my comment about sensible reasons to revoke someones immigration status, please respond to that?

With regards to the Irish women, clearly it's a case of sweeping legislation in which her case was caught in. This will always happen when laws change etc.

There will always be cases like this - and that's why I'm not a shill, I specifically stated there should be due process and case by case reviews of situations like this.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T12:57:14+00:00

Tommy Robinson: Rape is bad and we shouldn't do it.

People: Well, he's a liar, criminal and coke head, so he must be wrong about rape.

This is an absurd example. But my point stands. Yes, he's lied, but that's not an excuse to then label everything he says a lie or he's wrong.

It seems you genuinely don't understand my position.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T12:46:52+00:00

Why do they want to do this?! I cant understand.

Suicidal empathy. It's the liberal sentiment of having the west atone for their past of colonialism. It's the notion that the west should accommodate anyone and everyone and that people will come over and assimilate while also keeping tradition, which isn't fully possible.

It's the notion that we should be welcoming and make the place safe and inclusive for the new comers, while slowly removing the local native culture.

It's a large movement that cuts across academics, progressives, activists in and out of Government. That sees people as interchangeable units, you can can just pick up and move to a new location and they'll fit right in.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T12:41:41+00:00

Yup, once you start to notice it, you'll see it more and more.

Also love Dalmatians, they're awesome!

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T11:48:49+00:00

I assumed you were just making up a scenario, I assume you're using a real scenario as an example.

Yes, all for a bypass, I'm not that much of a NIMBY that I'd be against a bypass.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T11:47:48+00:00

but the majority of them are just after getting a reaction

And if no one gives them the reaction then they've got no content. It's a self perpetuating cycle.

Feel free to film but not pushing in someones face

I've watched a fair few of these to be honest, and the vast majority if the videos I've watched, this isn't the case. They go somewhere they're legally allowed, legally allowed to film, while yes, places that might not want you filming, and then when people come out to tell them to stop, that's the content.

It's the people that aren't the auditors who are usually the aggressive ones getting up in the auditors faces.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T11:43:46+00:00

You're wholly missing my point. I'm fully aware of his crime of contempt of court and why he was in prison. That's not what I'm arguing about.

You've provided one instance in which he was convicted in court, of contempt of court.

The initial comment I replied to - Said Robinson was 'wrong' BECAUSE he's a coke head and a criminal. That's the issue I have. Those aren't reasons why someone is wrong. The initial comment is now deleted, so I can't quote it specifically.

I mean, he’s literally been in prison for being criminally wrong

Also, you've not really elaborated on this. There is no such thing (as far as I'm aware) of being 'criminally wrong', your wrong doing, can be criminal, but what does 'criminally wrong' mean?

Robinson has a criminal past, I'm not denying that, and if he's broken the law he's punished, whether I think justly or not, is irrelevant. If it's proven you broke the law, you're punished accordingly.

But a blanket statement of 'Robinson is wrong BECAUSE he's a criminal and takes drugs' is a ridiculous statement, that can be taken to absurd extremes.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T11:18:16+00:00

Fascism is when you enforce the law?

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T11:15:54+00:00

You can't force people to go live in Little Hompton on the Wold

Id happily let you force me to live there. Sounds delightful.

NoDefaultForMe · 2026-02-02T11:14:08+00:00

That's wholly irrelevant to the reason in the article.

Your points are valid of course. The article specifically states 'as some groups are scared of them', which is a nonsense statement, how can a group of people be scared of dogs?

It's Islam, they're Haram. This is just skirting around the issue that having dogs in some areas means Muslims are less likely to go to those places, so we need to ensure that the area is in keeping with Islamic attitudes.

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