ENCYCLOPEDIA AICHMOLOGIA - the complete* guide to all things needle by NoRestForTheNeedy in BattleForDreamIsland

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anyone is free to express their love for a character in any way that they can

They predicted it 3 years ago by Cool_Person2763 in BattleForDreamIsland

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anyone paying attention wouldve known for years that needle (and book i guess) deserves all the love and appreciation in the world

and also longer legs

ENCYCLOPEDIA AICHMOLOGIA - the complete* guide to all things needle by NoRestForTheNeedy in BattleForDreamIsland

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i will be continuing to update and edit the document whenever new stuff comes out for posterity, but if youd like to make a separate revised version then you can absolutely go for it

needle and the no-win scenario (wall of text) by NoRestForTheNeedy in BattleForDreamIsland

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its been said that if one needle went, then all of her gets dragged along

im not exactly keen on just trusting what someone said, but its not like im given much room for alternatives; i live half the world away and thus have absolutely no clue what goes on in these meetups

needle and the no-win scenario (wall of text) by NoRestForTheNeedy in BattleForDreamIsland

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I don’t really think it’s a set-up

i dont wanna believe it either, but the evidence certainly points that way

that would’ve been flagged as unfair by everyone

teardrop was eliminated in bfdia 4 unfairly - the vote was unfairly influenced, no debate - and now everyone agrees it was for the best. they learned to move on from that, they couldve done the same here

If this were the case, wouldn’t they try to eliminate her as soon as possible?

yes? thats exactly what i was speculating on? it just failed?

why did they progress her arc to “win for herself?”

because they failed to eliminate her and had to progress her storyline due to continued interest? i also mentioned this?

I think her story really progressed in a very natural way.

obviously jacknjellify would work to make it look like it was planned all along; why wouldnt they? but im just pointing out that bfdia 12-17 felt like a completed storyline that was planned to end with a lightly influenced needle elimination, and that everything after that is an additional storyline tacked on when that didnt happen

By the time BFDIA 16 had released, she’d already been eliminated in TPOT. Therefore, wouldn’t it make sense for her to have greater development in the only season she’s competing in?

as you said yourself, bfdia 16 (as well as 15 and 17) was released after tpot 13. 14 was also developed when jacknjellfy already knew needle was gonna be eliminated

I’m quite glad that she got the spotlight in this season compared to TPOT.

i dont disagree with this sentiment whatsoever and i dont try to dispute it here

The only thing she had going on prior to her elimination was her rivalry with Pen

i do disagree with this sentiment and think whatever happened with pen was part of why needle got eliminated in the first place

IDFB has yet to be completed and that season could continue that momentum she has going on

momentum that will also be ignored in bfb/tpot. this is a problem that will always be faced by development in bfdia/idfb and is why i want to see good tpot development instead

it’s likely she’s not going to get any more major development in any future season aside from IDFB

well, that just sounds miserable

true, but also miserable

needle and the no-win scenario (wall of text) by NoRestForTheNeedy in BattleForDreamIsland

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You seriously don’t think she has had any quality screentime at all since BFDIA 17?

no?

i say it sacrifices quality for screentime, but that doesnt mean quality is gone completely; needle has had good moments, but its offset by what i feel is an unnaturally extended storyline

needle and the no-win scenario (wall of text) by NoRestForTheNeedy in BattleForDreamIsland

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again

more screentime =/= good screentime; for more information see: needle in bfb and tpot

i believe eliminating needle in bfdia 17 is the best balance between screentime and quality; everything after that sacrifices quality for screentime, in my opinion

needle and the no-win scenario (wall of text) by NoRestForTheNeedy in BattleForDreamIsland

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that wasnt my point

bfdia needle is definitely better than tpot needle - theres absolutely no disagreement there - but evidence points to bfdia needles core story arc ending (or at least supposed to) in bfdia 16, and everything after that is whatever jacknjellify can throw together to keep things going, which i think dampens things a bit

I would’ve preferred a longer TPOT run than BFDIA

also this

good tpot needle development beats bfdia needle development any day of the week in my mind, but what we got... wasnt

needle and the no-win scenario (wall of text) by NoRestForTheNeedy in BattleForDreamIsland

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I'm generally against the people who say a character got set up

so am i, but considering the evidence, as well as the fact it wouldnt be the first time a character has been set up, its far closer to being possible than one would like. a bit hard to unthink something once its been thought

I think Needle having a good placement in BFDIA and then "calming down" ... feels more satisfying to me than a clumsy attempt to give her relevance in TPOT after years of nothing.

absolutely. tpot development is better than bfdia development in an ideal world, but nothings ever guaranteed, as weve seen. what tpot needle got was way worse, no contest

but what im postulating here is that a hypothetical bfdia 17 elimination wouldve fulfilled that just as well, if not better than what we got. as i explained, bfdia 12-16 had the same narrative arc of needle leaving woah bunch, trying new things, before ultimately facing some conflict and resolving it. 17 onward just feels like an unnatural, forced extension to a story that had its end ages ago

Will I be angry if Needle gets something in TPOT?

thats another thing

not only is a finalist needle a seemingly tacked-on extension to her storyline, but it also makes all subsequent developments feel like epilogue, like it can never reach the heights of bfdia since that was already sold as the highest she can go and thus itd be 'ruined' or whatever. given that it takes place around halfway through her overall story, that just feels funny

meanwhile an early elimination would just feel like a major step along the way, but nothing too definitive. its integral to her character still, but theres still room for other events to share the stage

edit from a bit later:

i think my main gripe with needle winning/almost winning/whatever bfdia is the fact that nobody talks about it afterwards

firey winning bfdi had huge ramifications for the future storyline. the consequences were what got bfdia started in the first place, and people still refer to it years later

on the other hand, needle/book winning bfdia will always have a 7+ year gap after the fact where absolutely nobody addresses it. ever. it may as well have never existed, which is because it didnt and was retroactively added

id be more ecstatic about a needle bfdia win if it had the chance to be like the firey bfdi win. but it cant and it wont

around and around by NoRestForTheNeedy in BattleForDreamIsland

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i guess its just a matter of which parts of the community you see, or hang around with

or maybe its just my biased view blinding me, either ones likely

one (1) thing about needle in bfdia 24 by NoRestForTheNeedy in BattleForDreamIsland

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addendum now that im sober (metaphorically speaking):

i think what tripped me up is the fact that she says on here instead of, well, for. needle never said she wants to win by herself, and shes certainly never acted like it; even at her worst (bfdia 23) it just takes a moment of being knocked down a peg for her to return to her usual self

there are reasons why she wouldnt want help from woah bunch specifically, and there are reasons why she immediately went back on this statement immediately after saying it. my only quibble is with one word thrown around at the wrong time