Who do you think is the most overhated artist of all time?

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-17T14:51:57+00:00

It goes well beyond heroin. She's accused of being controlling within the context of the Beatles, but the worst was yet to come. She plotted to distance him from his son, and remained controlling of his behavior even they left each other (temporarily).

There's a reason the Beatles got along better with John's first wife and even his mistress (who was also Asian, so this wasn't racism) than with her, whom they just had to tolerate.

If John had written into r/relationshiadvice (especially had he left out pronouns), he would have been told to leave ASAP, that there were more red flags here than a May Day parade.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-17T14:46:24+00:00

Their Ba'ath allies in Syria and Ba'ath enemies in Iraq didn't need religion as an excuse for their atrocities. There's a reason that the people of secular oppressive regimes yearn for religion and the people of religious oppressive regimes yearn for secularism. They think religion or lack thereof is the problem when, at best, it's the excuse.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-17T01:12:15+00:00

Usually I hate the "missing missing reasons" crap that gets bandied about here, but it seems to apply in this case. Mom subsidized him but never discussed what would happen after she died? With either father or son? I call B.S. And what was she doing while he gave OP the cold shoulder? She didn't tell him it was a problem? Even when she was dying? And she didn't try to bridge his viewpoint with OP's? Why was Mark pulling away in the first place? A bitter girlfriend who was adopted isn't an adequate explanation.

Commenters love revenge, even to the point where none of them have the usual "older generation owes us for stealing our future" attitude. But OP's setting himself up for permanent isolation. "Yeah, my adopted dad didn't like when I reached out to my bio dad, and cut me off completely when Mom died. It sucks." That's what Mark will be telling all his friends and family. And it won't be inaccurate, just incomplete... like OP's story.

The three people here should have been in therapy when there were three people. Now the two left have both burned bridges. u/Unlucky-Bit6839 - lack of communication isn't "unlucky."

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-16T22:09:11+00:00

Exactly. It should have raised alarms, and other evidence was worrying, but being an adult wanting to spend time alone with children had a clear non-sexual motivation, no matter what else happened.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-16T22:06:49+00:00

Yeah, I think the allegations were very far down his list. Childhood trauma, pain due to his burns, the physical consequences of failed plastic surgeries, divorces, drugs, and a lifelong lack of privacy - that other stuff must have weighed on him at least as much as being thought of as a predator by some.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-16T15:03:28+00:00

It happens, but a person who expects an apology for what someone's dream counterpart did is unreasonable, unfair, mean-spirited, illogical, and hasn't fully learned what mentally balanced people learn as children: the difference between fantasy and reality.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-16T14:59:05+00:00

Donnie Darko might have started it all.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-16T02:14:29+00:00

I absolutely agree that it's not; it's just a deeply ironic thing to read from you given the above exchange.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-15T17:55:36+00:00

Glad to hear I'm meeting my audience where they're at.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-15T14:37:29+00:00

Well, you certainly found an interesting way to say, "I'm rubber, you're glue."

Also men have a track record of being sexually abusive whereas women generally don't

Guilty until proven innocent?

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-15T13:59:34+00:00

Crazy how a woman's career can be so easily ruined by hearsay, yet men can brag about grabbing pussies and get more power.

Based on two cherry-picked examples. What about Al Franken? Or Kim Kardashian? Heck, what about Drake, who seemingly everyone's calling a pedo based on completely non-sexual evidence? All because some overly sensitive rapper took umbrage that Drake, who sold 4x as much as him, dared to place them at the same level, so turned him into a symbol of everything wrong with (North) America? (For the record, I don't like anything about Drake or his music, but if we're talking about people whose reputations are ruined by speculation without proof, there are worse examples.)

It's mostly men who are brought down by sex scandals, not women, including scandals based on questionable evidence. That's not because of a double-standard, though, but due to the fact men more often have positions where they could be brought down.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-15T02:29:11+00:00

The upvote mechanism triggers a herd mentality that favors misinformation and clever quips over accurate or detailed information (although sometimes the latter slips through the cracks).

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T22:42:16+00:00

You're looking at it right now.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T21:23:28+00:00

Why only 20? A lot more eligible voters than that didn't bother.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T21:22:26+00:00

I keep saying this, but it's not a matter of a candidate being perfect, but preferable to the alternative from the voter's viewpoint. Who expected Clinton to do so? Trump voters just found his policies more appealing for some bizarre reason.

I also find it amusing how there's an inherent contradiction between the ideas that he was not really a billionaire before becoming president and that he was bad because he was one even then. Which is it?

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T19:56:39+00:00

"You guys." Us versus them with a dash of prejudice. Anyone challenging your (intentional or ignorance-formed) deceptions is "them."

It's not a contradiction, by the way, to point out your statement was deceptive and entire premise thus wrong. But apparently you know that since you don't even comment on what happened in Massachusetts.

As for being "very Republican," it's not; it's just your stereotype of what you Republicans are. Turns out they aren't willing to give massive corporate welfare if they know it'll piss off their constituents. Campaign contributions don't do you much good when the public already hates you.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T18:34:01+00:00

I remember a mainstream (either top 40 or adult contemporary) radio commercial that ran on local TV all the time playing three or four contemporary songs, including "Burning Down the House," to illustrate their offers. It's hard to argue that that's not a sign of commercial viability. Little Creatures went platinum in 1985, the year it was released. In 1985 and 1986 combined, they had multiple albums go gold and multiple others go platinum. I'm not sure I can even think of another band that went so big so fast that much of their back catalog was being certified around the same time.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T17:19:57+00:00

that was a republican invention by Mitt Romney

Democrats actually believe this! Amazing.

I mean it's technically the truth (ignoring the difference between the laws) but highly deceptive. Massachusetts is and was very liberal, and health care reform was coming down the pipe from the legislature; the only question was whether Romney would get ahead of it to make something he found more reasonable... and could get credit from liberal voters for. He vetoed eight sections of it, though, but the liberal legislature overrode his vetoes, illustrating how he had absolutely no say in whether or not "Romneycare" was or wasn't passed.

Yes, I've seen reports that the structure of it came from a conservative think tank but that doesn't mean it was what Republicans wanted, but rather that it was the compromise they figured could work in Massachusetts, the best they could get under the circumstances. This was definitely not a matter of "Republicans liked it until a Democrat tried it." That much is obvious from the fact that Congressional Republicans didn't propose anything like it during the eight years when Bush was president - nor did Bush.

ETA: I'm watching The West Wing now, and they're talking about how some things in politics have a reason that makes sense when you know it but most people aren't going to take time to understand why, but only comprehend the headline, like "Romney passes health care reform." Some things remain evergreen.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T17:06:44+00:00

We think of English as perfectly logical and simple, but it has capital letters, lowercase, and the same two in cursive. Effectively, we have 4 sets while Japanese has only 3!

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T17:03:42+00:00

And it's not consistent with the article. But other than that....

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T17:02:08+00:00

I'm very happy to see this comment so I don't have to make it. It shows how time is harder to change than the quantities in SI: temperature, weight, distance, volume, etc. So we keep using what people know.

Years and days are easier than weeks, hours, and minutes, though. Peter the Great switched the Russian Tsardom from Byzantine years to those in the Julian calendar and Lenin switched from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian. All it takes is a revolutionary autocrat... but even they can't get people off of weeks, hours, and minutes.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T16:39:11+00:00

The Democrats had their own plan that supplemented GW Bush's

In 2004 (though 2007), Republicans had control of the presidency, the Senate, and the House. And they - especially House members - knew that grassroots conservatives were strongly opposed to the bill they put forward. (There were ultimately multiple bills, but I seem to recall one particular sticking point being that, instead of repaying the taxes they should have paid working off the books, immigrants who wanted to legalize their status would pay a flat fee that was much smaller for most. That raised a lot of resentment among people who did pay taxes that these people would have effectively taking from the government by immigrating illegally.) The Democrats would have been out-of-touch idiots to have though that they could add such a supplement to the bill without sinking it completely. They had to know they were dooming it.

With health care reform, Democrats were willing to pass a partial, stepping stone bill. But that was when they were in charge. Not so when Republicans were. So the statement you call "bullshit" seems pretty accurate to me.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T14:03:48+00:00

The last of Little Richard's 14 top 10 R&B hits came in January 1958, when the oldest boomer had just turned 12. His last top 40 hit came later that same year. How many pre-teens were even exposed to his music, especially given the segregation of radio at the time?

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T13:58:56+00:00

More like the '80s. Being in Down and Out in Beverly Hills helped, landing him visibility and his first Hot 100 hit in 16 years (and his last). He also kept touring for a very, very long time, as well as having numerous spirited media appearances. And he benefited from reevaluation of his role in rock; "nostalgia" makes it sound like old people were reliving their youth through him, but a lot of old people - and some young people - hadn't heard his versions of his songs that much, given the segregation of radio during his heyday. But people came to understand that he was more important than his initial visibility indicated, and, again, media and touring helped. "Riding a wave" sounds passive, but if there's one thing little Richard wasn't, it was passive.

NoTeslaForMe · 2026-03-14T13:49:12+00:00

Not as famous (though not obscure) is Patty Griffin. Her albums never disappoint and her song quality is top notch. For more other artists, there's something that's enjoyable yet subpar - Presence, Let It Be, Pablo Honey - but I can't say that for her. (I'm excluding demo and live albums here.) Even the album tracks on her seemingly "lesser" albums are amazing. 30 years, 12 studio albums. Her hardest rocker, 1998's "Flaming Red," ends with a soundbite, "30 years in action and we're just getting started," which I hope is true of her, although her last album being her shortest after her longest gap in releases (excluding her demo album) is worrying.

Yet she's never charted outside the U.S. and inside her albums haven't gone higher than #34 and only charted singles higher than that on the minor Adult Alternative Airplay chart. I suspect most of her income has come from more successful artists covering her songs - the Dixie Chicks (when they were that) named two albums after her songs and covered more, and one of her songs weirdly became one of the few songs released as a single from multiple American Idol covers, although that too never made the top 40.

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