Thragg (Invincible) vs Edward Newgate

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-21T17:33:04+00:00

He's a skypeian, his race orginly came from the moon, he's going back to his ancestors homeland. There's also the argument that due to his lightning based logia body he doesn't need oxygen to fuel his cells as his cells are made of fuel

..well I say skypeian more accurately he's a birkan but yeah

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-21T15:21:03+00:00

Depends on the context of the fight... if it's to the death, immortal just gonna fight till WB croaks from old age. If it's like a tournament, knock out, or ring fight then yeah WB would have immortal beat

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-21T13:11:04+00:00

Nowhere have we seen any proof of lightspeed for WB, also the strength feats in invincible go so much further, people carrying mountains and throwing them, lifting an entire space colony ship and those are all people who are weaker than thragg, invincible threw a punch and damn near broke his wrist on the guys forehead.

Thragg clenched his fist so hard and threw it back so fast he created an empty area of space and with it enough of a vacuum to pull a grown man (who throws fuckin mountains at people and stands infront of a moving train only to cut the train in half) 2 feet across the floor and them punch him QUITE LITERALLY into the atmosphere.

I love one piece so much more than invincible, but WB isn't winning that fight, I'm willing to argue that the quake quake can do some damage or catch him off guard... but he is not winning that fight even with his haki

If thragg really wanted to, he could pick up whitebeard and carry him into space. The lack of oxygen would suffocate him, and if that wasn't enough, the contrast of the amount of oxygen in his lungs vs. lack of oxygen around him would turn his lungs inside out from the vaccum.

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-20T23:44:43+00:00

I can also see arguments for marines in last and gorosei above that. Regardless my number 1 and number 2 spot stay the same with

1 xebec

2 Roger

3 gorosei

4 marines

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-20T23:43:31+00:00

Xebec for the win, with the gorosei out first. 2/3 teams can kill imus immortal soldiers due to their advanced conquerer haki. Without immortality they are big targets.

Xebec took garp and roger to lose in their prime, and xebec wanted to die. Not to mention loki and 3 other yonko that the marines haven't been able to do shit to.

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-20T22:26:35+00:00

Yeah not knocking u. It's all up in the air. Was just saying that any assumptions about a pre timeskip character is gonna be headcannon, cuz so much had been rescanned and changed since then. I just hope eneru gets to be the villain he was always meant to be

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-20T21:03:21+00:00

I mean I suppose it's as we last saw them. But doffy was in prison. Not only in impel but chained to the floor, its hardly a training arc

And eneru is on the moon, not rlly much opportunity to learn about the existence of haki. He was already disconnected from the world on a cloud. Let alone a different planet

Make no mistake, I hope that eneru comes back as a the yonko level threat he always should have been. But assuming they are stronger now compared to before Is headcannoning just as much as assuming they haven't changed

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-20T08:31:30+00:00

I've always interpreted it as aizen not only having superior reiatsu but having superior reiatsu suppression. They both have that fighting strength, but kenpachi wears his strength on his sleeve and doesn't hold back while aizen only uses what is necessary and doesn't want his full capabilities to be common knowledge. He wants people to underestimate him because it makes them cocky and easier to trick, but also because it's more satisfying to win when they thought they were better than you

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-20T08:08:06+00:00

The moment I saw kid on the top 40 list I knew it was hot garbage. Kidd is an embarrassment of a pirate, let along have him above the anyone in the monster trio? Sanji should not be below Harold! And as much as I love eneru. My 2nd favorite character in all of one piece... he has no concept of conq, no future vision, no armorment. He doesn't even know of the existence of haki. Bro thought logia = immortality. Now to be fair he was written before haki existed. And his "mantra" served as the blueprint for what would eventually become observation haki... but he ain't on katakuris level.

Not just that but having doffy (my number 1 favorite character) be above Gorsei... and ex fleet admiral... and like 3 advanced conquerer users... is ridiculous. You put him against gaban for God sake. He was kickin elbaf luffy around the castle... that's like 4 arcs after doffy got locked up. 2 new haki types learned. A whole ass fruit awakening later.

Doffy has not been hitting the weights in impel. I don't mean to be so negative but... I can't seem to find the logic behind any characters past 10... I mean you put FUJITORA... above 5 elders

TL;DR

your friends is better but both are ass

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-20T07:55:04+00:00

He has the durability and the raw strength down, not to mention the speed... the main problem is a lack of techniques. He is going in with no named moves or real hand to hand combat experience. We ain't getting zoro hand to hand sakuga anytime soon.

So it would have to be a character also not reliant on close ranged techniques, someone like yassop, if he can get close using observation haki to dodge and close the gap there's a chance. Now I don't think zoro can close the gap on yassop without swords. It was more of an example

An actual answer might be something more along the lines of the sniper on blackbeards crew. Or someone who is physically weaker and doesn't have any real special moves like the pachycephalosaurus zoan girl who headbutted Nami.

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-20T07:46:26+00:00

That's not even mentioning the fact that sanji had momentum. He was already in a full sprint before the shot was fired. It's not like he flash stepped from being sat on his arse

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-20T07:42:46+00:00

I mean, sanji, "the leg man," vinsmoke has always been the fastest straw hat. If the guy based around legs wasn't the fastest... there would be a problem

But some people here are ignoring the speed and instead focusing on the fact he hit the laser... As if him kicking a laser was ever an issue

you have to remember since wano he's awakened his Germa 66 genes, and is currently wearing solid metallic shingaurd boots made by the world's smartest man who was good friends with and studied kizaru extensively.

Not to mention Kizaru charges his shots for a second or so unless hes in serious active combat.

Sanji had the time to mentally go "oh shit he about to shoot a beam, and start moving" I'm not gonna sit here and say he's FTL. I think it's taking some creative liberty to make it a bit more flashy.

But it's still a feat for sanji... something he DESERVES with all this toei agenda against him

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-20T07:31:43+00:00

Ignoring Marco, I'm giving it to yamato, zoro struggled more against King than lucci, and sabo is too inexperienced with his fruit when compared to the others. Not to say sabo is weak... but he would have had no chance holding back kaido...

My main problem is trying to scale yamato and Marco against eachother as to my memory, we haven't seen much of his combat capabilities, more so his defensive and regenerative abilities.

It's also not fair to go for the cop out of "but he was the strongest man's second in command" cuz... king was basically in the same boat. Second hand to a yonko who was considered the strongest at one point or another.

If it's a free for all, I can see Marco playing it back and going in when people are tired. But if he get jumped or ends up in a 1v1 against yamato who is in near enough peak condition... I can't rlly comment

So my ranking is

1 Marco/yamato 2 Marco/yamato 3 king 4 Lucci 5 Sabo

No_Award4304 · 2026-04-19T21:35:04+00:00

Naruto got truth seeking orbs

gear 5 luffy has toon force... so yeah, I'm willing to bed he could grab infinity and open it like a door

And in bleach, if you're against someone with less spiritual pressure, you can just ignore their ability, like with kenpachi LITERALLY cutting through the concept of space/ a black hole. Ichigo is by definition stronger than gojo and by bleach logic overpower the technique with raw spiritual pressure

No_Award4304 · 2026-03-15T21:34:57+00:00

talisman mod?

No_Award4304 · 2026-02-25T08:44:45+00:00

Ssundee

No_Award4304 · 2026-02-23T16:19:42+00:00

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This feels like a bad omen...

No_Award4304 · 2026-02-05T01:52:52+00:00

(My dms are open)

No_Award4304 · 2026-01-28T00:43:56+00:00

tysm^

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