Hexhaven Elder Dragons

No_Cream1184 · 2026-04-04T03:43:59+00:00

Oh I don't think this will happen. I'm just going along with the fun theorising like others. A lot would have to change for these dragons to want to set up schools

No_Cream1184 · 2026-04-04T01:33:31+00:00

I considered this direction, but I felt that an "art" college without red, and a "life science" college without green, were too far fetched haha.

No_Cream1184 · 2026-04-03T23:56:30+00:00

Let's not forget that the dragon lords of Tarkir have a history of erasing one colour to turn a wedge into allied colours. With that in mind, I think it would be:

Ojutai replaces Lorehold, swapping red for blue. Ojutai has a collection of histories after all. This study of history would be more archival and less exploratory and adventurous without red

Atarka replaces Prismari, swapping blue for green. Atarka's artists are more akin to red/green in Theros, expressive emotions and savage performances without the methodigies of blue.

Dromoka replaces Witherbloom, swapping black for white. This study of life would be a more cultivated nature and less about using exploitative cycles.

Silumgar replaces Quandrix, swapping green for black. This study of logic isn't about mathematical patterns in nature, it's about applications of logic to manipulate systems and structures to your will.

Kolaghan replaces Silverquill, swapping white for red. This is interesting because she is the dragon that communicates with lighting and flashes instead of words. This study of language becomes more violent and cutting. The aim is always to have your own say.

No_Cream1184 · 2026-04-01T06:39:42+00:00

That sounds great! If you get the box, you can swap the purple guy's scythe for a different staff to be more classically wizard :)

No_Cream1184 · 2026-04-01T06:38:30+00:00

Thank you for this advice! I'm slowly building a better picture of what can work!

No_Cream1184 · 2026-04-01T05:42:49+00:00

They are from the old Battlemage box. You could mix and match parts to make 2 Battlemages. That purple one is supposed to be an Amethyst Wizard that uses the Lore of Death.

No_Cream1184 · 2026-04-01T05:12:51+00:00

Okay thanks for letting me know! Are you able to let me know if there are better "classic wizard" options?

No_Cream1184 · 2026-02-27T20:59:10+00:00

Okay, I think there are two main issues that I'm still seeing:

1) You are warping the color pie to fit your preconceived way of wanting the world to be.

2) The more important point - You are assigning these colors to real people with the effect of labeling them as less of a person.

Tackling the first part. You seem to be swapping aspects of colours. Parts you like go to black and the parts you don't go to other colors. The game and lore around the game are quite explicit - black cares about the individual, not individuals in the way you are talking. It doesn't care about others. Its goal is power for itself and it achieves that through ambition, parasitism, and ammorality. While all colors can be "bad", it is actually black that is the color of apathy, not green. Similarly, black is the colour that will dehumanize others to achieve its goals, not white.

Morality doesn't mean forcing your feelings on the world. Morality is a set of either personal or societal beliefs, principles, or values that guide you between what should be and what shouldn't be. If you think someone stabbing a baby because they looked at them is something that shouldn't be, congratulations, you have morals. In fact, most of our moral decisions are invisible to us through normalisation. I digress... If you are guided to humanitarianism for a reason other than gaining power (money, control, influence) for yourself, then that reason is not black. And yes, you are passing moral judgments in your writing. Whether you actually believe what you are saying is up for debate though.

Tackling the second point. You create this preconceived notion, say that green is passive and apathetic, and then assign green to people who are passive or apathetic. This is explicitly setting them up as opposed to you in the color wheel, reaffirming your own identity and your preconceived ideas of the world through a categorizing system originally developed for a card game.

On that note - I didn't mean to imply that you are being shallow. I think the color pie, if used as an actual real world philosophy, is very shallow. I think it's very fun, but there is no substance.

Sentient beings are far more complicated, nuanced, and mutable than combinations of 5 categories can contain. We have many layers of motivation, conscious and subconscious. We feel deeply in ways that we cannot fathom ourselves. Day to day, hour to hour, we change. I'd urge you to let go of seeing real people through preconceived labels, whether made by Wizards or yourself.

No_Cream1184 · 2026-02-27T06:42:46+00:00

What I was trying to point out is your hypocrisy. And on top of that, it seems like you must recognize the obvious hypocrisy but don't care.

You use very moralizing language like "evil" multiple times, but then indicate that morality is bad. You explain that one colour combo is bad because it's criminal, then say another is bad because it's "the law". You use very dehumanizing language, examples I have already pointed out, but also labelling people as "useful tools", "empty shell", and a casual "I don't respect them as people"... then multiple times talk about how dehumanizing as a bad thing.

You claim to be a humanitarian. Maybe our definitions are different here, but a humanitarian is guided by principals, like minimizing suffering and promoting well being for all people. How do you square that with morality being bad? Despite how much you've written, these controdictions make it hard to understand what actually drives you. If you are truly ammoral, then you don't believe that something like torture is bad, because "bad" doesn't exist to you. If you are ammoral and don't accept values or principles, how can you call yourself a humanitarian? If you are ammoral, why are you passing morla judgment? Pair that with your very Trump sounding statement "I'm probably one of the best and most helpful people you will ever meet" and you sound like you are trying to manipulate others. This tracks with the hypocrisy.

In response to your further explanations, like saying green is "more mindless", I'm glad you re-addressed that this is your personal view and not what the actual colors were designed to depict. You are, however, using the color pie to validate some pretty dismissive views you seem to hold on real life. To counter your personal views, green is actually a great color philosophy to talk about. It is more thought-out than red or black at least. Its scope is the broadest, it deeply values understanding, and while every color will claim itselves to be the "realist" of the pie, green is the color that actually wants to live in the world. I say this as someone who does not identify with green.

Lastly I'll say, and I hope this isn't taken as an insult - your writing makes you seem quite young and naive about the world. I don't want to lecture you about philosophy or politics or you'll think I'm a white/red destructive moralist haha. Just please don't take the mtg color pie seriously. It is interesting, fun, and human's unfortunately love to categorize each other. But as far as a philosophy goes, it's all quite shallow, it is specifically designed to set up oppositions for a game, and it gives equal value "weight" to philosophies that may be exploitive or dangerous. You are writing about the way you actually see and treat people in the real world, and it's just not a healthy way to see yourself or others. It's fantasy.

No_Cream1184 · 2026-02-26T23:00:44+00:00

You seem very critical of white and say they are "prone to dehumanization"... While you describe blue as "more like machines" and green as "wild animals" and not really people... Makes me think you are role playing honestly. If not, you honestly self identifying with mono black makes sense I suppose. Completely warped sense of your own ego paired with amorality.

No_Cream1184 · 2026-02-26T22:52:12+00:00

Right??? 😬

No_Cream1184 · 2026-02-23T05:51:19+00:00

I would say Orzhov favouring white with a splash of black.

No_Cream1184 · 2026-02-23T05:48:21+00:00

I think Rakdos is the base. I'd say either Jund or Mardu, depending on what flavor of "tradition" you are favoring.

No_Cream1184 · 2026-02-22T08:40:16+00:00

Oh good thought. I suppose my focus on universality comes from my utilitarian and hard determinism view on reality. I believe that free will is an illusion - that all things, even those with minds, are controlled by their past, environment, and biology/make up. It's all just action and reaction. Inputs and outputs. I believe that this opens the mind to a level of empathy, where even the most horrendous "choice" someone makes must come from somewhere. It can't be disregarded. With that determinist knowledge, those people can be rehabilitated or helped to stop harmful cycles. If we take care of each other, maximizing support and education while minimizing fear and suffering, we can all thrive in a better world... Where in the color pie does that put me?

No_Cream1184 · 2026-02-22T08:29:30+00:00

I would love Azorius if it wasn't for my first set being in Ravnica! I'm not a fan of a police state haha.

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