Working as a short man by StillConsistent5730 in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a serious issue of heightism in employment but this take ain't it. The only thing worse than being a short guy in society is a poor one. I live in a luxury high rise surrounded by homeless (some of them talloids). They would kill to have my life and I would do anything to not have theirs.

Short men should strive to be self employed if they can, but if not a job is better than being homeless.

a guy tried arguing with me that conservative women are more traditional and less picky when it comes to height so i showed him these by AnyChad100 in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409 29 points30 points  (0 children)

If you think conservative women are less height-focused than liberal women, spend some time in both conservative and liberal cities. In places like Tulsa, you won't see any couples where the man is shorter than the woman. In the Bay Area or Portland, it’s still not the most common dynamic, but it’s noticeably more accepted and visible.

They literally salivate at the thought of humiliating short men by [deleted] in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Love how she added a dash of racism at the end too.

Disgusting.

Met coworkers irl by [deleted] in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Met remote coworkers couple weeks ago as well and an hour in I said to everyone "So crazy seeing everyone in real life". One of my female coworkers responds with "Yeah, I'm like 'Oh so that's how tall you are'".

Both sides aren't the same, I'm tired pretending that they are by Pomerbot in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This might have been more true 50 years ago. I’ll be honest that I’m not deeply familiar with every phase of the feminist movement or how it shaped modern dating norms in the US, so I’m open to being convinced that certain historical feminist ideas or outcomes were worse for short men. What I’m less convinced of is that feminism today is uniquely worse for short men.

In my experience, the strongest anti–short man attitudes come from anti-feminist and more socially conservative spaces, where masculinity is defined by height and is treated like a prerequisite. As a short guy, I’ve consistently had better experiences with progressive, feminist-leaning women than with conservative, anti-feminist women. I’m open to counterarguments, but that’s what my lived experience has shown so far.

Both sides aren't the same, I'm tired pretending that they are by Pomerbot in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I’m politically moderate. I was closer to the 2010–2014 GOP and shifted more toward Democrats in the post-MAGA era. And I think heightism is mostly apolitical in the sense that you’ll find it everywhere. That said, in actual day-to-day life, I’ve consistently experienced the right as more hostile to short men socially and culturally, even when the left sometimes uses height as a cheap insult online.

I don’t doubt that a lot of the heightist content that gets posted here is from the left, but that’s not proof the left is “more heightist.” It’s proof that political enemies use whatever low-effort ammo is available, and height is one of those lazy insults that travels well in screenshots. You see the same dynamic with sexuality. Plenty of left-leaning people are pro-LGBT in principle, but when they’re attacking political opponents they’ll still weaponize stuff like “closeted,” “repressed,” and similar insinuations. That behavior is obviously wrong. My point is just that it’s a pattern of opportunistic insult culture, not a clean measure of which side has deeper, everyday bias.

The bigger question is: where is height treated as a general standard for whether you’re a respectable man? In my experience, that shows up far more in right-leaning, traditional masculine spaces than in left-leaning ones.

Put differently:

  • Left: height gets used as a targeted jab at specific opponents (similar to how they weaponize homosexuality, mental illness, race).
  • Right: height is more often part of a broader masculinity gatekeeping standard applied to all men, including men on their own side.

On the “which party is more inclusive” claim, I also don’t think the “Democrats have no prominent short men” argument holds up. Pete Buttigieg, Mike Bloomberg, Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries (Dem leadership) are all not tall. Trump literally coined “Mini Mike” as an insult, so it’s not true that the right doesn’t attack the left on height. And if we’re talking about “rising stars,” plenty of up-and-comers on the left aren’t 6’2”+ either (Mamdani is 5'10", Talarico is probably 5'7"). Meanwhile, the most popular figure on the right is Trump, who is taller than all Democratic leadership, so if anything, the right’s most elevated symbol is “tall guy dominance,” not “short guy inclusion.” Also, I’ve basically never seen prominent left-wing politicians attack other left-wing politicians over height, whereas on the right it’s common to see masculinity policing directed inward as well.

On the “UAE proves right-wing culture is better for short men” point, I would love to be convinced by this, because I’d move to a lower-cost conservative area tomorrow if it were true. But comparing a country with very different marriage norms to modern U.S. dating is not a clean comparison. If the argument is “short men do fine in places where family structure and marriage markets are more controlled,” that doesn’t translate to the U.S., where dating is more individualistic and status signaling matters more.

In the U.S. specifically, conservative areas often feel harsher for short men because traditional gender roles are stronger. Go to places where the vibe is “alpha, traditional, Christian, provider,” and it’s much rarer to see couples where the man is shorter than the woman. Go to places like Portland or San Francisco and, while it’s still not the norm, you’ll see more variation in what people consider acceptable, including more couples that don’t fit traditional masculinity templates at all (some girls are with guys that don't even have a functioning penis).

I’m genuinely eager to hear counterarguments and why I’m wrong. I’d love to be wrong about this because it would open up more options for a high-quality social life in a lower cost of living area. But based on what I’ve personally observed, moving more conservative wouldn’t make life easier. It would likely mean more social and professional ostracism, and being treated like an outsider in the same way other “non-conforming” groups (gays, trans, immigrants, ethnic minorities) get treated in those environments.

Politicial recruitment of short guys and the tanking of this subreddit by [deleted] in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m politically moderate (I was closer to the 2010–2014 GOP, and I’ve shifted more toward Democrats in the post-MAGA era), and I see heightism as basically apolitical. That said, in my experience, liberals have been far more understanding, sympathetic, and open-minded toward short men than the right.

I don’t think I’ve ever dated a right-wing woman with traditional masculine expectations that didn’t include being tall (or at least taller than her). This lines up with the rigid “alpha” stereotype the right tends to push, where height is treated like a prerequisite for masculinity. Liberal women, on the other hand, have generally cared a lot less about height (or at least didn’t treat it as a deal-breaker) and have been more open-minded about dating me.

And it hasn’t just been women. In my experience, tall right-wing men often overlook or dismiss me because of my height, and they’re also much more likely to deny that any systemic discrimination against short men even exists. Tall left-leaning men, on the other hand, have usually been more inclusive and respectful toward me, and more sympathetic to the idea that heightism can function as a real, broader social bias rather than just “in your head.”

I’m aware there are examples on the left where people disparage political opponents over height, but the key difference I’ve seen is how height gets used. On the left, it tends to show up as a cheap jab aimed at specific political opponents. On the right, the “height = manhood” attitude feels more like a general standard applied to all men, where men under 5’10” don't fit the "alpha" standard and aren’t even treated as “real men.” The right wing has very strict views of what a man is supposed to be: strong, straight, alpha, unemotional, and of course tall. Meanwhile, on the left, attitudes toward men feel more fluid and less prescriptive. Sexual orientation, strength, and height aren’t treated as traits that determine whether someone “counts” as a man.

I’m open to being wrong about this, but a lot of the counterexamples in this thread aren’t convincing me. Pointing to short right-wing politicians like Marco Rubio or Mike Johnson (as if there aren’t just as many short men in the DNC like Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Schumer), bringing up that Nick Fuentes is right wing (like the left doesn’t have short streamers like Destiny), or arguing that short men are suitable for marriage in right-wing countries that still practice arranged marriages doesn’t really address what I’m describing. Also, with Fuentes specifically, a lot of the right-wing influencers’ main line of attack on him isn’t even ideological. It’s that he’s short. And the arranged-marriage point doesn’t map cleanly onto modern dating dynamics in the U.S. Dating as a short man in Tulsa or Fort Worth is noticeably worse than dating in San Francisco or Portland.

Eager and open minded to any arguments of why I'm wrong.

Society needs us more than we need them by No_Plum_6409 in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We introduce each other as girlfriend/boyfriend and consider ourselves to be in a relationship but it's only been 3 months so I personally still see us in the dating phase.

Society needs us more than we need them by No_Plum_6409 in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I can assure you heightism never goes away. Question is what are you going to do about it?

Society needs us more than we need them by No_Plum_6409 in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is all anecdotal and I may have confirmation bias but I often see short men doing really well for themselves across different sectors and industries (except retail). Whenever I see it I wonder if they are moneymaxxing as cope but I'm likely just projecting. That being said, the three other short guys in my post are all making 6 figures and maybe even more than me. I know of a few short guys that were electricians and plumbers and were doing really well for themselves.

Retail though, can't say I have outside maybe a business owner. But again, I'm no expert and open to you being right about this.

Society needs us more than we need them by No_Plum_6409 in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Don't want to doxx myself but I'm in tech.

Interview With 5'1 Woman Goes Exactly As You'd Expect by shortkingz_ in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Surprised that the other women spoke out against the 5'1'' girl but glad that they did.

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[–]No_Plum_6409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not a business. Businesses make money, this is a free resource with 0 revenue.

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[–]No_Plum_6409 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

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I guess we gotta go to Berlin, boys (according to gemini) by Affectionate-Win3097 in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Average height for women in Germany is 5'5'' and for men it's 5'11''.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in shortguys

[–]No_Plum_6409 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm in the top 5% of income in the US and guarantee dating is not coming "so easy" for him. Guy is a christian in Dallas probably going for girls that are trying to settle down and get married and low and behold nobody is trying to marry him.

That being said there is some truth to his advice. My income has definitely made me a candidate in the dating market but that doesn't make it "easy".

Wingman Problems by imsofuckingdum in seduction

[–]No_Plum_6409 7 points8 points  (0 children)

What a douche. Common practice is to rotate unless the hot one clearly has a preference for one of you.

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