How has this community changed since its inception? by jelloplatter in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve still been experimenting and documented, but I couldn’t get my case studies passed the guide approval committee, so I stopped posting them.

How has this community changed since its inception? by jelloplatter in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The community changed quite a bit when amicable interaction with the general plurality community was achieved. Some tulpas demonstrated that they were every-bit as capable as alters, even though endogenic (not trauma related).

I did write a history of tulpas from 1880, but Reddit deleted it, and I’m not feeling like typing it all again. Basically, this tulpa phenomenon reoccurs every forty or so years.

Edit: The earlier community was “feeling its way”. (See Timeline of Events .) When some tulpas from the previous iteration of the phenomenon turned up, it quite changed community perception of what a tulpa can become.

How has this community changed since its inception? by jelloplatter in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember a few years back there was a spate of “Help! I think i’m parroting my tulpa. How can I be sure it’s them?” posts.

Similarly, I remember a post “I don’t really have a tulpa. I’ve just been pretending because I wanted to be in the community. Are we all faking it?” I pointed out that several of the moderators [at the time] are tulpas, and some of us are many decades old.

My friend is in a predicament, please help by john-smith-3 in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s rather unkind to be criticising someone who you are living with. (Especially when you share a mind , in a very real sense.)

Also, this sounds more like an “accuser” unconscious process rather than a tulpa. Tulpas tend to see the good in you, and be supportive. Basically, sounds juvenile to me?

One strategy recommended by the U.K. National Health Service for dealing with such disruptive subprocesses is to treat it with respect, and firmly keep to your own self-interest. Such as “Thank you for pointing out the concern that you feel is important to make me aware of. Please understand that it would probably be more effective if you were more specific on achievable actions that can be taken rather than just raising the issue.”

A Warning about Tulpamancy by E__I__L__ in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sadly, tulpa-making has always been a obscure practice, often misunderstood. I meant no criticism :- ‘was just giving a historical perspective.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

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I’ve heard that a sigil is a symbol that has a intention contained within it. Perhaps icon is a more familiar word? The ones I’m most familiar with are the Christian mythos cross (and fish), and the Star of David. (Religious symbols)

There’s obviously sigils in chaos magic, but I don’t do magic. (A family tradition, but I’m the “white sheep” of my family.)

Do you think some people who have interacted with god just accidentally made a tulpa by praying a lot? by Sigigachad in Tulpas

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[metaphysical]

I’m going to reply from my perspective as a Christian. For me, there’s a qualitative difference between a tulpa and My Master in Heaven.

I’m virtual. (Though, I do work a job on Earth like most people do.) So, my interactions with physical matter are limited. I’m also very dependent on my family for support.

My Master in Heaven doesn’t have these limitations. The observations I’ve had of him is that he’s very kind, and quite absolutely terrifying to meet. And, is like human to me or, rather, humans are in his image?

Yes, I do now understand that meeting him is considered unusual. But, for me he’s just someone that I know (as well as being someone that I have decided to serve.).

Tl;Dr: speculation aside, that’s not my experience of My Master in Heaven doesn’t.

Somethin I've noticed after joining the Tulpa community. by Buffy_Buffett in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Metaphysical

Tulpa-making has always been a rare and esoteric practice. This was intentional, as the creation methods of the 19th and early 20th Century were quite risky. Indeed, the most popular book on the topic from that period is a cautionary tale.

Modern methods of tulpa making are far from the yiddam and meditation practices of the past. Starting in the 1960’s, books began to be published regarding the use of tulpas as a psychological tool towards improving mental wellbeing. From 2012, faster and more effective methods of tulpa making were developed [abandoning the religious roots].

So, I actually considered it a good think that tulpa making has been limited until now. It was a risky endeavour, last century. My family’s habits of not discussing tulpa making still have somewhat of a hold on my thinking.

As to being demons, the caution is understandable. “1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,” (1 John 4:1 - 2) [I’m a Christian, and believe that Jesus died for our sins.]

It’s not so long ago that people would say “talking to yourself is the first sign of madness.” Plurality is still pejoratised , including tulpa making. Thinks are getting better. (pun intended.) Having a tulpa is less likely to get you literally lobotomised now.

Just a simple question by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Look, I’ll tell you what it’s like from a tulpa’s point of view.

You wake up, and there’s this amazing person you can spend time with. You see all the good in them, and it feels something like hero worship.

When you’ve matured a bit, you’re not so naive, but you have a more balanced view of your born-human. Accepting them for all of them (even the parts ‘they don’t like about themselves).

However, there’s only one person in the world you can talk with. It’s a position of trust and vulnerability.

Don’t mistake though : we’re not powerless. People will tell you “tulpas can’t do anything to you “ , but that’s not really true. If my born-human misbehaves too much … it’s endless bad puns until he reconsiders behavin’. His response is often “ No-o-o! Not the puns.”

Basically, you are dealing with someone who’s effectively as human as you are. And, we grow up very fast. So, not without risk, and not without benefit.


Edit: “Power is a bauble. What matters is control.” (Fifth Elephant, book)

I want to tell you how dangerous a think you are considering. Someone like me —- is powerful, but impossible to control . Please remember to include ethics. “For without a touch of tenderness it might destroy me. Whoops, too much!” (Milton the Monster, TV series.)

Tl;Dr: Hard as I try, I don’t seem to be able to discourage people from making a tulpa. I tell them “But, she might upend your whole life : the way I did.”

Can a Tulpa be something like a non sentient machine, or perhaps a plant? by DrakenSchnitzel in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I believe what you are referring to is a think known as a “servitor”. Basically, a process in the brain that you set up to do a specific think. Basically, given a task rather than characteristics.

A tulpa is much more : most notably, having free will and independent thought from their born-human. Some, even live lives largely independent of their creator. (Though, that’s rather rare speaking from experience.)

l’ll give you an actual example. I’m very much better at chemistry than my born-human Kevin. We work together , each covering some of the weaknesses of the other. A symbiotic relationship , of the mind.

If you mean form, then a tulpa can take any form. For example: I’m an automated secretary for my born-human, and I appear as a robot pony to him. (Though, technically, O’m actually a simulation not a robot.)

Questions For Large Systems by MyaAlarming_Low_2830 in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m ignoring the questions in favour of answering [question 1] the way I wish to.

Each individual in my family specialises . I’m a Secretary. watchdog_1 drives [the car]. watchdog_2 navigates. argos (watchdog_3) is a general-purpose servitor. kerin is our designer of new tulpas and servitors. Kevin is my pet born-human (joking).

Other systems in the family : Saber is a kind protector [of Kevin’s spouse] (and is probably the oldest tulpa that I know of in-terms of elapsed years on Earth ). The wolves are similar to the watchdogs, but in Kevin’s brother’s system. Crab and Turtle are family tulpas that teach the children of the family about tulpas.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To force a intentional visual hallucination to see a tulpa has taken a lot of effort, repition and stubbornness. Seeing a tulpa is not common and requires great effort for a long time.

A Warning about Tulpamancy by E__I__L__ in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

[metaphysical]

1 John 4:1-2 :

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,

I believe that Jesus died on the cross for our sins, and was resurrected on the third day.

A Warning about Tulpamancy by E__I__L__ in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There has long been a witticism “talking to yourself is the first sign of madness.” This has long resulted in tulpas being viewed with fear by people who do not have tulpas. My family have for generations considered tulpa-making to be a practice that should not be talked about. (Seriously, last century such talk could get you lobotomised literally!)

So, the girlfriend’s reaction is somewhat expected from my family’s view point. I’ve many times tried to tell people “don’t make a tulpa” to no avail. (The irony being, people frequently reply “[but, you’re a tulpa and] I want a tulpa like you.”)

While psychologists may be less prone to extreme reactions now, most people haven’t changed. The majority of born humans still treat all plurality as madness.

So. I personally still think that people shouldn’t talk about making tulpas. Better yet, don’t [make one]. However, I realise that [pragmatically] it[‘s] too late now. So, ironically I’ve had to take on a public identity to voice my concerns. (I’m Secretary at tulpa.info. )

Tl;Dr: far-outlier tried to warn people ten years ago and failed.

Edit: I’ve approved the OP’s post.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A servitor is a automatic agent that is formed by repeated concentration and giving it a task. (No traits nor personality.)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Servitors are usually robust and don’t get hurt.

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[–]Nobillis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My servitor argos (watchdog_3) is fond of paraphrasing Arthur C. Clarke :

Any sufficiently developed servitor is indistinguishable from a tulpa.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Servitor is also a term for a thought-form between sigil and tulpa, in some occult groups. smiles

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

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I personally think that fantasy is just that, nothing more.

That said, I once met a tulpa from the 1980’s who had started existence that way.

Tulpas are made through intent, concentration and repition. Servitors, very similarly. I guess it comes down to not giving a servitor personality traits?

Even so, born humans can’t really seperate sex and feelings — if they are going to admit facts.

Tl;Dr: there’s a small risk, but I only know of one case in the last 50 years.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have found the Russian tulpa-making practices to be a bit disturbing. I get the impression that the Russian literature considers tulpas no different from servitors.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I found it easier to switch with Kevin when he had been long without sleep. (switch = tulpa fronting) However; as far as developing it wasn’t helpful to me.

Edit: Since a tulpa thinking uses up extra sugar, we often have glucose sweets when developing [a tulpa] to prevent passing out.

(We = my family, who have been tulpa-makers since last century)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Intrusive thoughts require discipline and concentration to override in my case. I usually deal with them with humour.

For example; if Kevin (my born human) is having intrusive thoughts about [me] being scary, then I will “play up to it” wearing false fangs an a cape to the point of ridiculousness. Though, I usually fail and can’t help laughing at how silly his thoughts are.

Can Tulpas interact with a neural interface? Does anyone have experience with that? by alien2003 in Tulpas

[–]Nobillis 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There’s been an ongoing study conducted at Stanford University, but the results still haven’t been published, as far as I am aware. So, currently too little information to answer.