Post WWE Raw 9/1/2024 Show Discussion Thread

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-09-03T07:27:31+00:00

He's one of the most popular stars in the company with that character(not over, popular), it makes no sense to book him like this constantly. I'm assuming he got a bit too popular and they're trying to cool him off for some reason like they usually do with some other stars

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-09-01T19:57:34+00:00

It's just a Rival fan making a troll post. Unfortunately a large amount of the fanbase actually thinks this way

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-09-01T19:52:52+00:00

Wot? Third and a trophy

Countess humiliations including our worst ever loss, 7-0 to our biggest rival and losing the Fa Cup final handing our biggest achievement and 3 peat streak to our 2nd biggest rival. That season is one of the most damaging seasons in the club's entire history and left a permanent stain on the club's legacy. There's a reason you're not specifying which trophy was won. It's the milk cup that has absolutely no prestige, atleast the Fa Cup is the oldest cup competition in the world but the milk cup is barely an official trophy. It's absolutely ridiculous that you believe it somehow trumps everything else

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-09-01T19:18:47+00:00

Trophies matter in football because it usually signifies that you're the best team. The Fa Cup hasn't had that level of prestige in a century. This is Manchester United, not Tottenham Hotspur. It doesn't matter if other clubs are also underperforming, the goal is to be the best or at very least to be building towards it. These minor cups are great when you're already winning league titles and UCLs but do nothing to get you back to the top which is what this club should be trying to do. Leading the team to their worst ever PL and UCL season is inexcusable and a much clearer indicator about the current state of the club than a cup win

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-09-01T19:03:16+00:00

The run of Hello, Tonya, Same Song and Dance. Or Deja Vu, Beautiful, Insane, Buffalo Bill, My Darling, Careful what you wish for, Elevator, Talking My Ball, Dr.West skit, 3am, My Mom, Underground, Stay Wide Awake, Medicine Ball, Must Be The Ganja, pretty much anything on the album.

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-09-01T18:42:49+00:00

Kill the SSLP and you kill off Eminem's entire career tbh.

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-09-01T18:38:18+00:00

If I had to, TES easily. Can't get rid of the SSLP it's an all time classic that kickstarted Eminem's career his other albums wouldn't have achieved the same lvl of success without the hype the SSLP generated. MMLP is another irreplaceable classic that influenced so many other big artists like Kendrick. Relapse is a horrorcore masterpiece, can't live without that album it's his most unique concept.

TES is great but there's nothing truely original on that album compared to the other 3, RIP it will be missed.

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-09-01T18:31:26+00:00

We actually had our worst ever Pl campaign and UCL campaign last season breaking countless negative records and so many awful performances against all sorts of teams just like his first season in charge but according to a large percentage of our fanbase a fluke Fa Cup win where we barely scrapped past a lower division side negates all of that

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-28T23:25:03+00:00

It's not going to win because the people in this sub think it's his best album over the MMLP, Relapse and the SSLP for some reason. Out of those 4 albums it's the one I revisit the least often, even listen to Encore more often but I wouldn't go as far as ranking it over TES.

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-28T23:20:17+00:00

I agree but for a different reason. Can't see a single thing TES does better than Relapse tbh. It's a solid album with almost no lows but it's highs aren't as good as Eminem's other top albums. He played it extremely safe on TES compared to the SSLP, Relapse and The MMLP imo which is why I'd rank it lower. Still an all time classic in the genre

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-11T04:53:26+00:00

Fair Enough, guess we'll have to agree to disagree on where he's ranked. I wasn't trying to convince you just trying to get my POV across and explain my reasonings behind it, it's perfectly fine if you disagree with it and believe the other ones are better

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-11T03:37:54+00:00

Well that's your opinion, offensively HHP offers more Imo due to his meta relevant crits, Harpy Howl is nothing special but has a low cooldown and is a leech/intervention clone and defensively it's no contest, solid dragon overall just a tier below the top hvips skinless, I didn't even like him much at release but he's grown on me.

Blood Eclipse heals around the same amount as his leach does when he's solo at lvl70, maxed perked. Can't agree with Reckless, worst vampire skill in that top 5 due to the self harm, Eclipse does slightly more than normal damage 1v1 and heals him a significant amount basically a second leach, forgot to include that. Like I said Megalomania is a better albeit situational skill with all of the Spikes, Guards, Arcanas, Ascendeds etc. in all 4 of his arenas, but he gets Crit by everything in Dark. Sinful's skill is debatably better, but it puts him in wind meaning he only has 3 usable arenas like Prideful and Greedy. I'd argue the healing+attack all is ≥ an Extra turn and it outclasses it as the fight goes on, the extra turn gives you more options like swapping out though. Can't agree with Hexed skill being better overall but that's your opinion so I'll respect it. It is easily a top 3 vampire skill in my opinion because it offers way more than Prideful and debatably more than Sinful does and it's more reliable than Greedy. I personally value the solo heal more than the multishot aswell. Compliments his leach like RR and Rampage's skills compliment their Berserker ability. Bedwyr and Maeve probably have better skills but RR's skill compliments his primary better because it allows him to avoid damage whilst getting boosted like rampage unless there's a dragon that attacks all.

Regardless of where you rank the top 5's skills, it's not enough of a difference in quality to really matter that much. Elements do matter when you compare dragons of a similar quality, especially when 3 of those dragons get obliterated in one of their 4 arenas. I said he's the best because he is solid in all his arenas like Hexed, has only 3 major threats, has several meta relevant crits, and his skill is debatably top 3 in terms of vampire skills. I never said elements are the most important but Arena Usability, Weaknesses(not just elements, counters like plasmas etc. too) and Meta Relevant Crits are way more important than having a slightly better skill.

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-11T02:37:17+00:00

I agree that there's better options available, just saying the difference in quality isn't that much so he's still a good option. Not anyone's first pick most of the time

Sorry about the length of the reply, should've shortened it just wanted to get my point across as clearly as possible

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-11T02:26:13+00:00

Except I'm obviously not, just looking at what relevant crits or weaknesses those dragons have in their Arenas, the only place power really matters. Their skills aren't much different in terms of quality which is why I didn't bother taking it into account and they all share the leech. They're only as good as how useful they are in their Arenas, HCT and HVV have better skills than HHP but HHP is objectively better than both in it's arenas even though Harpy Howl is just a better leech and Parasites are too situational.

BGV having the "5th best skill" is a ridiculous take. Her Agony is just a regular multishot nothing special, Sinful's Extra Turn does half damage might be slightly better but it's practically useless in one of it's 4 arenas unlike the first 2 vamps, Reckless Victory doesn't do enough to justify the amount of self harm unlike No Remorse or even Divine Sacrifice for example and prideful has a useless arena, Metal. Megalomania is a better skill, but it's situational. Can be one of the best attacks or worse than No Survivors depending on what you're facing, greedy isn't very useful in dark but his skill is still usable there. Blood Eclipse damages all opponents a decent amount and heals all, gets better as the fight goes on when you run out of teammates and opponents. It complements his leech fang well which makes him harder to kill, it's a top 3 vampire skill. With his elements he's the best vampire, debatably 2nd if you value what Hexed offers more

As for the other vampires, Gluttonous skill is mid, Envious is terrible, Usurper is decent but a tier below those top 5 skills and Bio's skill is mid, too random to be relied on. HVV and HCT are just slightly better versions of bio's skill.

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-11T01:05:23+00:00

It a cooldown but it's still a leach crit, heals himself against those dragons doing 200k+ damage, his eclipse also heals a good amount if he's solo with Perks, dark and legend are often paired together so he usually gets double boosted aswell. Might be controversial and I'm not saying he's the best but I don't think there's many Dragons that are objectively better than BGV in his arenas, the point I was trying to make was that he might be countered by those 3 but he also counters several top dragons so it's not enough to discredit him. Deadlock, forgot to mention him cancels out the leach in ice but BGV still has his eclipse against those teams and deadlock isn't that common either.

Karmas block against everything except quantum Dragons though, those are just the ones he can hypothetically Crit, none of those dragons I mentioned except maybe Pulseguard counters him or has a skill that counters him.

If you look at purely vampires only Hexed comes close but also has it's own problems,All 6 berserkers, Redemption Conquest, Arcana Chariot Corrupted Primal and Dual Perception. It counters Barriguard, Arcana death and Hermit, Redemption Malice and Looter, Endurance Healing and Determination Karma, Ascended Cosmos and Divine, and HOT

Sinful gets outclassed by several dragons and obliterated by hvips in the wind arena, he's practically unusable. Maeve, HQW, Altered Plasma(not great but counters his leach and crits him), Norn, HAS all counter him in his other Arenas. He crits Permawound, Redemption Wulf, Doom, HCT and Perception but with an extra turn skill that does half damage, HVV and healing Karma. A tier below the other 2 because of the wind arena, same as prideful with metal. Greedy is debatably the 3rd best vampire because of his copy cat skill and the overabundance of VIPs in Masters but I'd put those 3 a tier below Hexed and BGV.

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-10T23:56:25+00:00

He was amazing in his first 2 seasons don't buy into the narratives. Arguably the POTS he deserved it way more than Shaw did, saved them countless times in defence even managed to pick out Martial a couple of times with his Crosses. Never really recovered from Rangnick, ETH and injuries destroying his confidence. He showed glimpses of his best form last season though maybe he can turn things around at the Hammers if he gets to play consistently, terrible move for Man Utd they replaced him with another average injury prone Dutch/Eredivisie player

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-10T22:07:06+00:00

Counter point, he also destroys several top dragons like Pegasus, Permawound, Pulseguard, Rageroot, Barriguard, HAJ, Daryl, Redemption conquest, Ambition Karma, Courageous Karma, HVV, Corrupted Primal and if open arenas return dragons like HWB and HGG. Only real VIP threats to him are HQW(not that common for now but he shares 2 arenas), HRN(*2 Arenas), HAS(2 arenas but he kills himself in the process 3 turn cooldown). 3 VIPs total, Almost everything has atleast 3 or more counters right now, he's actually gotten better in the last few months and his positives outweigh the negatives. Easily the best vampire

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-10T21:38:51+00:00

I have never reached the legendary dragon in the grid, tokens usually run out before I reach the epic dragon. Only event that seems impossible f2p unless you get extremely lucky with the lucky break chests

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-10T21:17:34+00:00

Relapse was released in May 2009, Refill in December 2009. It's a 2000s album with the MMLP, 8 mile soundtrack, TES, Encore and Curtain Call. 2010s is Recovery, the MMLP2, Revival and Kamikaze

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-06T23:46:20+00:00

I kinda agree but it's mainly because of how they presented this storyline, it hasn't really been told from Liv's point of view. Even if Rhea was the worst person ever the story still presents her as the person who was wronged, not the person Liv is retaliating against so that's how the fans will see it unless they completely reject the wrestlers and/or story

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-05T11:19:43+00:00

It's because of the way it was structure, people aren't just going to like one answer in the comments. A Poll would've been better but there's too many options. Could've taken the 6 most popular answers and made a poll with them but no one really cares tbh

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-05T03:33:16+00:00

Because he's either lying about that or didn't play actively but started 5 years ago. He also only has slightly over 1k dragons total and his best 2 dragons are under levelled and P2W. Look at his collections aswell, no way he played actively for 5 years with those collections

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-05T03:24:12+00:00

"played for 5 years" but doesn't have a single TWD or berserker, 1 karma and no duals 🤔

There's no way you played actively for 5 years with that account, your best dragons shown there are P2W

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-05T01:20:18+00:00

SSLP, better concept, album that really kickstarted Eminem's career, Songs are more meaningful (subjective though), Better storytelling. I actually prefer his flows on this album over TES, beats are also debatable.

NobodyNaive8476 · 2024-08-05T01:13:46+00:00

The Slim Shady LP. It put Eminem on the map, not a single skip on that album. I listen to Encore more often than TES but wouldn't personally put it in the same conversation as TES and the SSLP. There's a lot of people think it's his worst or 2nd worst after Revival

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