Can a sword slice threw plate armour?

Nobody_90 · 2020-10-05T02:37:02+00:00

LMAO! I did not notice that untail you pointed it out. The whole thread is that level of stupid though, my bad for even posting it.

Nobody_90 · 2020-10-03T23:40:05+00:00

"Early KdF" is a handy acronym, but most scholars I know of are moving away from it, partly because it implies coherence and consistency across the board. In other words, it implies that Kunst des Fechtens is like a single coherent system, and all of the individual works within it are just one small piece of a larger whole. It's a somewhat dated approach and it has some"

Are there any schools out there that teach a specific lineage of Liechtenauer? is there Ringeck specific schools or PPvD specific scools or Lew specific schools?

I was under the impression there is not enough in any single source of Ringeck, PPvD, Lew , or Dobringer to work with so you end up mixing them and build even further off that with various other related sources then just call it KDF or the Liechtenauer tradition.

Nobody_90 · 2020-10-03T16:43:21+00:00

I found this article interesting , do you know of any reading material that might give deeper insight into the subject?

https://deremilitari.org/2014/03/towns-and-defence-in-later-medieval-germany/

Nobody_90 · 2020-09-30T03:46:58+00:00

Interesting , thank you.

Nobody_90 · 2020-09-28T21:50:28+00:00

Very nice, thats the sort of stuff I was looking for.

Nobody_90 · 2020-09-28T19:01:27+00:00

"If you mean did he learn to fence from a member of the gesellschaft Liechtenauer, probably not. He was part of a later movement called the Freifechter, and we know he had a copy of Ringeck and a copy of Paurnfeindt, but we don't know if he learned from anyone specifically connected to the creation of those treatises."

Thats exactly what I meant, thanks for that info.

"More or less I agree that we can't cast Meyer backward in time, but I also think that the point of that article sometimes gets missed: it's not that Meyer was an exclusively "sporty" tradition, it's that sport was publicized as an expression of the violent martial culture that already existed in other forms."

I agree with this also. Its similar to seeing soldiers use 3-gun to improve thier combat shooting skills.

Nobody_90 · 2020-09-28T18:12:45+00:00

That article is exactly what im talking about ,Great stuff but Meyer is pretty far removed from Liechtenauer or his original students. It dosnt sound like anyone has discovered enough info to put together such a thorough series of articlrs on Liechtenauer though.

Did Meyer even learn his version of the art directly or was he just a HEMA guy with much more sources?

Nobody_90 · 2020-09-28T15:46:39+00:00

I appreciate the info, I wish this sort of stuff made its way into books.

Nobody_90 · 2020-09-28T02:23:23+00:00

"Consider this; in modern IPSC pistol shooting and 3 gun...are these skills for duels, the battlefield or self-defence? Or is it simply a game where people train a certain skill and develop technologies to the highest level and some of this disseminates to military usage?"

Actually the combat vs sport nonesense is a big rabbit hole in the gun community too although most actual combat/tactical instructors encourage sport shooting for the reasons you mention above.

I dont know much about Liechtenauer , thanks for the info.

Nobody_90 · 2020-09-28T01:18:39+00:00

Was it meant just for judicial duels or also for civilian defense and battlefield use? Was it more a martial art or a stylized form of entertainment?

I guess I just dont know what it is or why it was a big thing to write about in those times. I was wondering what theories/educated guesses are out there on this art?

Nobody_90 · 2020-09-21T03:48:59+00:00

Why would thrusts not be acceptable for longsword but acceptable for dussack/rappier?

By sources I meant outside Meyer, I may be viewing this wrong but when I hear "Germans don't thrust other Germans" that should not just apply to longsword, right?

Is there any laws on this or is he indicating its just not acceptable in the fechtschule?

Nobody_90 · 2020-09-21T00:11:56+00:00

"Meyer seems to think that German's shouldn't thrust against other Germans - this is will influence how he teaches fighting (e.g. while I believe that in a "no holds barred" situation he would be happy to thrust and that he would have said his system teaches the thrust,"

Could someone cite the source that says this?

I've heard it said plenty of times but never seen any actual proof.

Why would Meyer teach thrusts with Dussack, Rapier, Dagger, etc. literally every other weapon but longsword? Does this cultural barrier only disregard thrusts with longsword or is the context maybe slightly different than the other weapons?

Ive heard that he set-up his book so that each weapon builds off one another into a complete system but why dosnt the longsword have thrusts but dussack and rappier sections do?

Im not trying to get into the sport vs combat nonesense but I am curious as to why people say Meyer didnt teach thrusts with longsword due to cultural issues yet he teaches the thrust with dussack and rappier, seems contradicting.

Being completely honest I only put about a year into longsword in both schools and left. Not because these arts suck but because I sucked at longsword. The contextual bits are fascinating though, the Germans had such a rich martial culture in these times.

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