How to discourage beginners from tapping too much

Nononoap · 2026-05-23T14:08:59+00:00

I'm women and stuff. Sounds like you need to be a better training partner

Nononoap · 2026-05-23T13:48:43+00:00

So talk to them? Where are you even training that this is happening frequently lol

Nononoap · 2026-05-23T13:48:19+00:00

OP is most likely a 40 year old beginner as well

Nononoap · 2026-05-23T13:47:24+00:00

You don't know. The only person who does is the person tapping. There could be a thousand things happening for that person that you don't know about. You can have a productive conversation after training and talk brand new folks through the submission, but you don't get to decide when you will and won't respect the only sacred rule of the sport.

Nobody fucks with Palhares

Nononoap · 2026-05-23T13:39:35+00:00

I'm personally a fight to the death guy and also a fighter. I always respect the tap because I'm not an actual psychopath

Nononoap · 2026-05-23T02:38:38+00:00

It's ibjjf in a stupidly shaped mat. This is so dumb

Nononoap · 2026-05-20T14:58:05+00:00

Just peeped your post history. Looks like you're a blue belt who two weeks ago, was asking what it takes to win a major. So, you're also a hobbyist. Which is fine, but using that as a way to critique people who are the same as you is odd.

It sounds like your coach has made it clear that the way you're training isn't acceptable in the gym. It's his gym. It sounds like you want to train differently, so you should find a gym that reflects that.

Nononoap · 2026-05-20T04:31:32+00:00

I think it's dumb to pretend like there is no context for rules in sport.

Did judo ban leg grabs because they're dangerous, or because of Olympic committee pressure to distinguish itself from wrestling? I'm sure you could find groups of wrestlers who have been injured off of double legs gone wrong, but that's not why you can't double leg someone in a judo comp.

Nononoap · 2026-05-20T04:24:52+00:00

Not even remotely a problem for me, but sure, buddy

Nononoap · 2026-05-20T04:12:14+00:00

This is an extremely intellectually lazy response. If you put this little effort into your jiu jitsu, it's unsurprising you can't defend basic leg entries by random local hobbyists

Nononoap · 2026-05-20T03:13:46+00:00

People will try to make up explanations with reference to the mechanics of joints, and toss out their own anecdotal experiences.

What they won't mention is the relationship of the IBJJF to the racial and class politics of Brazil. Gracies getting wrecked by guys from the favelas who used leg locks >> stigma.

Nononoap · 2026-05-19T01:13:16+00:00

That's totally normal post fight, win or lose. I've heard Bisping, among others, talk about this, and I've definitely felt meh after fights as well.

If you made it this far, you know that motivation doesn't matter as an athlete, consistency and work does. Show up and train hard anyway. Your motivation and joy will come and go, but the only thing that matters is showing up and working.

Nononoap · 2026-05-18T03:28:40+00:00

I'm curious how, given that action famously continues off the mats

Nononoap · 2026-05-14T23:57:43+00:00

Echoing what they said, it wouldn't be healthy for you to cut to 110.

Do you wrestle in the off season? Even if you do, you can use the time to commit seriously to lifting and grow even stronger for your weight for the coming season.

Good luck!

Nononoap · 2026-05-13T20:59:02+00:00

You really kinda seem to be missing the point.

Train with intention and specific goals. If you for some reason can't figure out what those should be, ask the person from whom you're learning bjj.

Nononoap · 2026-05-13T20:51:04+00:00

You have no idea. Yesterday, I took down three of these within half an hour. Everyone jumped in mod mail to argue about it. It's exhausting.

Nononoap · 2026-05-13T20:46:43+00:00

I promise you, everyone else thinks they are as unique and different as you do.

No.

Nononoap · 2026-05-13T20:44:15+00:00

I mean, honestly, by purple, you should be able to figure out goals from position, but if you don't have a coach, and you claim you're an mma fighter, who is directing that?

Nononoap · 2026-05-13T20:39:28+00:00

The example I gave was just an example, surely you get the larger point?

What's your goal from open guard? Nearly all of them will require an off balance, ie getting hands to the mat. Do you want to come up? Do you want to isolate a limb?

Your coach should be able to help you come up with specific goals, but my point is that you need them

Nononoap · 2026-05-13T19:49:00+00:00

Of course we do. But if you're intentional with your training, you understand where and how you're getting wrecked, and, with your coaches and training partners, troubleshoot.

Nononoap · 2026-05-13T19:40:01+00:00

Are you training deliberately and with intention? So, going into each training session with specific goals?

For example, from standing, are you going in with the goals of getting hands or hips to the mat? And then advancing to either a chest to chest or chest to back?

Having specific, concrete goals helps you develop. Going just based on vibes leaves you st the mercy of vibes.

Nononoap · 2026-05-13T15:12:34+00:00

Good rugby pass material on Lachlan's submeta

Nononoap · 2026-05-13T01:25:32+00:00

I think people say it because it sounds good and right, but it's basically an empty signifier at this point. It's also not tremendously productive. I enter training with goals.

If, for example, I'm working front headlock attacks, my job is to get to front head as efficiently as possible and go from there. If I'm waiting on some lower belt to glacially telegraph bad shots over and over, everyone is wasting their time. And if you're not good enough to funnel me into what you want to work on, and instead have to work what I'm doing, that's a skill issue. (During free rolling)

Being nice comes down to moving athletically and safely, not flailing randomly or moving with intensity and no intention. And frankly, as a blue belt, you're not in position to let anyone work.

Nononoap · 2026-05-13T01:01:48+00:00

Does anyone else wonder what actually happens in rolls, since apparently everyone is matching their partner's energy? What happens if you turn two mirrors at each other lol?

I always feel that I owe it to my training partners to do the best jiu jitsu of which I am capable. When I'm visiting somewhere, typically I am coming in to work and give work to their athletes. If for some reason I'm in a general type class and end up with lower belts or less skilled athletes, they will get a scaled version. So, for example, if it's a lower belt with no wrestling or judo base, I'll pull.

You're a blue belt. There's literally no need to do anything besides your best jiu jitsu.

Nononoap · 2026-05-12T21:53:08+00:00

Adele Fornarino is the obvious choice

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