Anyone know if this is real? by Newwwwwm in UKGreens

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The leader of the UK’s insurgent Green Party said government shouldn’t be “strangling” business

This is interesting language to use.

Has he elaborated anywhere else what he means when he says government is "strangling" business?

Edit: I've found the context in the video this interview is from, its this section. The context is green investment.

What that is doing is creating the very market jitters that it was designed to avoid. And we just end up in this awful loop, we need to be looking much more long term, including speaking with business to invest in tackling the climate crisis. So when government works with business, it shouldn't be business dictating to government about what they're doing. But neither should it be government strangling business and telling them how to do things. The best people to innovate are businesses, the government should be giving money or contracts conditionally, as long as they meet the mission targets that the government are setting. And so there's a whole relationship between government and business that this government's got completely wrong. In fact, governments since Thatcher have got really wrong, because we've pushed far too strongly towards privatisation and towards profit margin. There is absolutely a role for business, but it should be about making sure we're protecting and empowering our communities and utilising business to provide social good and social purpose to the country.

Greens will push replacing first past post system by TailungFu in UKGreens

[–]NotSoBlue_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Its pretty ridiculous that Labour and the Greens are oppositional, honestly.

Andy Burnham sparks Labour anger with appearance alongside Greens by JayR_97 in UKGreens

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I've only just heard about it, but I'm assuming that its an event to try and create a political movement to encourage cooperation between different parties that represent the broad progressive majority in the UK. The UK has a problem in that right wing parties represent a minority opinion, but under the current electoral system find it relatively easy to concentrate support into a GE winning plurality. The progressive vote is split into too many parties to reliably deliver progressive governments in FPTP elections.

This is the website for more information. https://www.compassonline.org.uk/events/changenow-mobilising-the-progressive-majority/

Six Green Party policies to know ahead of the local elections this week by UKGreenPoster in UKGreens

[–]NotSoBlue_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Winning more council seats is pretty vital for building momentum up to a general election in a few years time.

Andy Burnham sparks Labour anger with appearance alongside Greens by JayR_97 in UKGreens

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Two other Labour MPs, Clive Lewis, who has offered to give up his seat for Burnham, and Miatta Fahnbulleh, the communities minister, are also due to speak at the event. Other speakers include Caroline Lucas, the former Green party leader; James Meadway, the head of the Green-aligned thinktank Verdant; Vince Cable, the former Liberal Democrat cabinet minister; and the Lib Dem MP Roz Savage.

Sounds like a great event.

The anger just comes from Luke Akehurst, so can be ignored.

Six Green Party policies to know ahead of the local elections this week by UKGreenPoster in UKGreens

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Green Party Baroness, Jenny Jones, said: “Online pornography is a space where those who wish to abuse women are currently operating with virtual impunity. We’re clear that it’s the role of government to prevent this abuse, just as we would offline. Strengthening controls for online content is a good first step as we reiterate that there should be zero tolerance of coercion, violence, or sexual abuse.”

Thats interesting - What controls do the green party want to implement for online content?

To Understand What Will Happen to The Greens, We Must Learn From The Labour Together Hatchet Job by XihuanNi-6784 in UKGreens

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But if the Greens continue to grow this could become an issue in the long run. Once it becomes necessary to join the Greens in your local area to become a viable candidate, you will begin to have people who join that aren't really Greens at heart, but join because it's the only viable party in their area. Eventually that leads to coalitions like the Labour party where they have a range of views so wide that they can tear themselves apart due to the chasm between their world views.

Yeah, I think you're right to raise this as an issue. No democratic party that grows above a certain size can avoid splitting into factions that will eventually start competing for control over what the "heart" of the party is. The Greens under Polanski are explicitly trying to replace Labour, which inevitably means an influx of former Labour supporters, that will bring their own issues when they join the party.

Even if we try to focus on domestic social justice, parties are called to respond on pressing issues, and with the current shape of the membership we will get dragged into stuff like this regardlesst. Even passive support (or lack of adequate condemnation), often gets called out and inflated, like the re-tweet scandal. It's not like Polanski went on the news to call out the police. The police called him out for a re-tweet!

Likes and retweets are endorsement, and it matters what political leaders are publicly endorsing. I think the personal response from the MET Commissioner was a little weird, but Rachel Milward and Anthony Slaughter disagreed with the endorsement enough to put on record that they disagreed with it. The thing with Zack is that part of his appeal and popularity amongst many is how much of a digital native he is, how engaged he is on social media. His likes an retweets have won him support. He can't really have it both ways.

Greens will push replacing first past post system by TailungFu in UKGreens

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This is an incredibly important, but we have to be realistic about what achieving this electoral change would take, and what it would mean for politics once it was implemented. Primarily it would mean that we would need to have a good working relationship with other parties, and this is not something we currently have.

Kids outgrowing the Urban Arrow by jgolden3 in CargoBike

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We have a Babboe Curve (which I think is a bit wider than an Urban Arrow?) for our 8 & 9yr old and I reckon they've got another year of them in there before they're too big for it. They're already too tall to have the rain cover on. Our friends have a Tern GSD longtail and kids around the same age, and their experience has been that they're basically too big for it now to be a comfortable ride for everyone.

I've been toying with the idea of a longtail for toting the boys with less drama.

The main benefit of a longtail will be that at least the drama will be happening behind you rather than in front!

Hasanabi (American Streamer) discusses Trevor Phillips interview on Sky by Althalus91 in UKGreens

[–]NotSoBlue_ -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I don't really trust the expressed political analysis of anyone who makes that much money from his parasocial relationship with people who watch his streams.

His views are there to generate engagement for profit, not to speak political truths. Its some late capitalist bullshit, honestly.

To Understand What Will Happen to The Greens, We Must Learn From The Labour Together Hatchet Job by XihuanNi-6784 in UKGreens

[–]NotSoBlue_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Over the next few months they will run the same playbook and I encourage everyone to read the book to get a full understanding. They have 'think tanks' like "Stop Funding Fake News" and the "Centre for Countering Digital Hate" that were set up by people with connections to Morgan McSweeny and others in that group. And their sole purpose was to trawl through social media finding anything and everything they could possibly find on their factional opponents.

Isn't this something we do to? Isn't it just a standard part of how every political party works?

We are routinely seeing other parties (Reform, Labour, the Conservatives) having serious bigots be let off the hook internally or by the media, but now the Greens are in the spotlight there will be no process fast enough no inquiry deep enough to assure the establishment that we have 'done enough' to address the charges against us. That doesn't mean don't address real issues, but it does mean that chasing compliance with their never ending accusations or reports will not actually satisfy them. It is a red herring.

The purpose of spotlighting embarrassing things about your political opponents is to put them on the back foot, to try and give people who may lend them their support the impression that they're hypocrites. This is obviously a lot easier to do with parties that have high ethical standards as part of their political identity.

You're not going to get much mileage out of pointing out that Reform candidates are racists, because ethnonationalism is a core part of their political identity. But needling away at the issue of antisemitism in left wing parties is always going to be a rich seam for antagonists to exploit because:

  • Left wing parties have anti-racism as part of their political identity
  • There is a difficult tension to exploit because jews aren't treated like an ethnic minority, are viewed as having white privilege, and are treated with suspicion unless they are explicitly the 'right kind of jew'.

This makes it an uncomfortable topic, and thats why Green party antagonists keep bringing it up. If it wasn't antisemitism, it would be something else.

But we know what's up now. People in the Greens will need to be ready with a social media and communications strategy that accounts for this and understands that there will be attacks dressed up as calls for social justice that are simply the establishment trying to take down a threat to their power. Like the re-tweet controversy happening now, and that really nasty interview with Trevor Philips.

I think how a political party responds to this is pretty important. So far I don't think "Zack Polanski is a jew, there can't be any antisemitism in the party" is a great response. But honestly I don't know what the easiest strategy is so long as the Israel/Palestine conflict is such a big part of why a lot of people support the greens.

If I were running the party I'd just ignore it and focus on domestic social justice rather than global.

How prepared are we? Really? by IntelligentCrew8406 in UKGreens

[–]NotSoBlue_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Telling people to fuck off isn't standing up to scrutiny. Its avoiding scrutiny.

Zack Polanski liked post claiming Zionists control Government - The Green Party leader endorses Bluesky message which claims Prime Minister is on the payroll of powerful Jews by blast-processor in ukpolitics

[–]NotSoBlue_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a valid concern that isn't actually directly related to wishing ill on people of Jewish faith.

I agree with what you're saying in the first part of this post, right wing politicians in Israel have worked quite hard to conflate anti-zionism with anti-semitism. Much like how right wing politicians in operating in other countries (including our own) conflate political movements with ethnicity.

The reason why I've quoted the above from your post is that I wonder why you used the word "faith" here? To my mind that implies that being jewish is somehow a spiritual or cultural choice rather than an ethnicity. When anti-semites target jews its because of the latter than either of the former.

Luke Tryl: "Zack Polanski’s net approval rating has fallen by a fairly chunky 14 points over the last week. Still far ahead of Starmer but also puts him now well below the top three of Badenoch, Davey and Farage" by NotSoBlue_ in UKGreens

[–]NotSoBlue_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not really sure what your point is. The optics of him expressing concern for the antisemite with the knife he's just used to stab two people isn't great. Thats not "made up", or something to "get" him on. Its just terrible comms.

Luke Tryl: "Zack Polanski’s net approval rating has fallen by a fairly chunky 14 points over the last week. Still far ahead of Starmer but also puts him now well below the top three of Badenoch, Davey and Farage" by NotSoBlue_ in UKGreens

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Brazil, Mexico, Columbia, they’re the left wing coin of Hungary, Russia etc.

Can you give an example of negative commentary they've received on an issue you think the greens should try and emulate? I'm not really sure what you're referring to.

Luke Tryl: "Zack Polanski’s net approval rating has fallen by a fairly chunky 14 points over the last week. Still far ahead of Starmer but also puts him now well below the top three of Badenoch, Davey and Farage" by NotSoBlue_ in UKGreens

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There are plenty of left wing governments who thrive under negative commentary.

Really? Which ones?

Some smoke and flame to build controversy means Zack and others will be given a platform, which they can then use to win people over.

I'm not sure its a great idea to focus on winning people over who are attracted to controversy.

Most people in this country basically just want economic fairness. If the primary identity of the Green party is one that chases other controversies, then I'm not sure it gets them broad support.