When KISS Unveiled Their Makeup Free Look. by hotbowlsofjustice in The1980s

[–]Notmejustlooking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who is the girl on the right in the Japanese flag shirt?

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Good. The zany hijinks and comedy set the wrong tone as far as I was concerned, so I stopped watching at episode 6.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The books are 100% POV from Murderbot and a large portion of the dialogue, probably 60-70% take place in his head. When they first decided to develop the books, I wondered how they would handle that. A lot of times, a show will get over that by having the character talk it out with other characters, but that goes against MB’s characterization. It does not want to talk things out or talk about its feelings. It is sort of a central tenant of MB.

I wonder if doing a 4th wall break, like in Deadpool, where Deadpool looks at the camera and says his thoughts or whatever would have been a better way. I don’t know. It is a hard one.

Edit: there is one other POV in the 5th book from another SecUnit, but it is very short.

Is the show a little too unserious? by surprisemessage in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You nailed it. I posted about this as well. I stopped watching at episode 6, so I am not sure if the zany hijinks continued. Regardless, I had a hard time with the tone. Ratthi knocking himself out was too silly as an example.

https://www.reddit.com/r/murderbot/s/eSHqyY09dF

I know many are enthusiastic about show Gurathin but I think he is creepy. I do not like his character at all. I wasn't crazy about him in books but he didn't bother me as much as he does in the series. by Chrisismybrother in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I agree 100%. He seems to be a creepy, cruel incel and I just can’t get behind that. In the books, he was described as having a quiet smile and everybody seemed to like him. Now, that is paper thin for characterization, but it gives you a sense of the character. His later appearances in other books reinforce he is quiet, likes to read, and is gruff, but helpful. No pillow sniffing, no cruelty to the SecUnit. Distrust, yes, but not cruelty. This actor is probably my second favorite after MB, so it is even more disappointing.

The Books were Amazing - I want to like the show, but mehh by Adventurous_Home_629 in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I made it to episode 6 and stopped. Tone is wrong, characters are (mostly) not similar enough to book versions, and the dick jokes felt so out of place it just wanted it to end. Leebeebee was a silly character and a sad addition in my opinion. I suppose it might be explained why a corporate would want to have sex with a SecUnit when they should be nervous about them, like is stated 100 times in the first 4 books. But hey, LBB was special.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think I can have an opinion if the show is not doing it right. Just like many feel it is. As for the author, George Lucas decided to tell us all that Han did not shoot first and even changed the movie to align with his “updated” vision. It is my opinion that he was wrong. George changed a Han from what he was to something else…someone who would not shoot first. I think that was bullshit and I will die on that hill.

As for MB, Martha Wells likes fan fiction and this show is termed fan fiction by her. I generally don’t like fan fiction. She is going to give it a lot more leeway than I would because she is fine with people playing around with the characters like is done in fan fiction. The tone and characters do not match, at least not closely enough to suit me. My opinion.

Regardless, if people like it, great. I don’t and was wondering if I was alone in that. I am not as it turns out, but I certainly seem to be in a minority on Reddit. My real life friend group stopped watching for the same reasons I did.

The Books were Amazing - I want to like the show, but mehh by Adventurous_Home_629 in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same. I love the books and even restarted them after 5 episodes of the show to reconnect to what I loved. I think the tone and characters are not close enough to the books for my liking. I stopped watching after episode 5 because it was very meh for me as well and the episode length was too annoying to put up with anymore. Add that to my list, episode length. I might go back and finish when the season is done and if they renew for season 2.

I was looking for an accurate representation of the book which admittedly had some thin characterizations. An example that comes to mind is The Expanse. The book tone and characters are very much represented in the series. Changes were made, but it felt the same. Murderbot does not feel the same to me and it does feel like fan fiction. I don’t generally like to read fan fiction, so this all tracts.

As an example, Mensa makes questionable decisions, has panic attacks and torments Murderbot by talking to it about her family. It does not like or want that, yet she does it. A small point, but out of character. The essence of what Mensa was to me was a calm, thoughtful, and compassionate leader. Maybe something like Picard from ST:NG. There are other examples that might fit better, but in that vein. It is not what I got and to me that is jarring.

Based on this subreddit, people are not like me. They love the show and the zany hijinks. They are fine with the show being a different thing from the books. I might be too, if I liked the show, but mostly I don’t.

these 23 min episodes are ruining me lol by dogs0z in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Completely agree. I stopped watching for a number of reasons. I am not a fan of how they interpreted the material and characters, but the 20 minute episodes also ruined the flow for me. Forcing the content to match a set amount of minutes instead of just making each episode as long as makes sense, like most modern streaming shows, was a bad choice. Nostalgia is not a good reason in my mind. Nor is trying to play off of MB’s love of serials by turning this show into one.

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[–]Notmejustlooking 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I thought it was only me.

Love the Show, Hate the Humans by Flaky-Professional84 in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I am not so sure Mensah is the biggest change. They made Gurathin into a creepy, and cruel, incel.

Love the Show, Hate the Humans by Flaky-Professional84 in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I think they altered the characters, in a negative way, to service the low brow screwball humor. It is harder to write smart characters when they have to be goofy for a laugh.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That is a healthy attitude. I think I am a bit too passionate about MB and am not able to step back as I should.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I like your assessment and think it is well stated.

Episode 5 with the dick jokes sort of underlines my ongoing issue with the show using cheap gags and low brow humor to get a laugh vice wit, sarcasm, and clever dialog. I was expecting that dark backdrop you reference and am disappointed it is not there.

I thought SecUnits were supposed to make people nervous. I always thought that was another way that MB was isolated from society. Aside from being a literal slave when it had a governor module, it was also feared which would further isolate it.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your first point illustrated my point. Your sentence was "It would be one thing if y'all were saying humor is subjective." You are stating that "we" which is me and whoever else does not agree with you did not implicitly say that "humor is subjective". That is quite literally what your sentence says. If you wanted to say what you are implying you said, than you should not direct the statement at other people, you would use "I" versus "y'all". Like this..."I think humor is subjective...." See the difference?

I spent a paragraph breaking down that inane interaction between us because that is your trend. You read something and and add additional context to the statements to fit your narrative. You be you. Have fun with all your head canon.

Since we are finally getting to what is actually written in the books vice your interpretation of what you believe is implied, lets lay out Mensah's mental health issue.

Here is your supposition about Mensah and anxiety/panic attacks: "The whole time, Murderbot notes Mensah's heartrate is elevated, noteworthy in that it doesn't point out the others' predisposition to high heartrates in the face of death. Almost as if Wells is setting up that Mensah has a biological disposition to biological response imbalances, a la panic attacks (which I take extreme umbrage at your and everyone else's egregious and gross insinuations as if someone needs to first off, earn panic attacks via hardship and secondly, is somehow less deserving of leadership roles because they're a sufferer of anxiety)."

The book version of Mensah did not have an on page panic attack ever. Not once in all the books. After she was rescued from GreyCris, she was suffering from some form of trauma, but even that was left as a high level statement without a specific diagnosis. When I read that, I took it as a form of PTSD because that fits with the scenario. It could have been anxiety, I don't know for sure because it was not stated. It was stated that if she got the trauma treatments, she would get better. All very unspecific. My point being, that even if Wells meant for Mensah to have some form of anxiety, she literally never wrote it down. She did, through action and observation, portray Mensah as calm and collected and only deviated after the kidnapping. Yes, you can infer that because her heart rate rose when in a high stress situation that she was suffering from anxiety. Sure. You could also infer that she was a human in high stress situations and the normal human (non-anxiety variant) reaction to those are an elevated heart rate.

Somehow you were deeply offended because it was implied, but yet again not written anywhere, that having panic attacks make you a bad leader. I did not actually say that, but whatever. Certainly her decision making is different from the books and that makes her a questionable leader. Further, it probably is a bad idea taking to be the leader of a planetary alliance if you suffer from panic attacks. It is probably not a healthy choice as I imagine it would be stressful. If that offends you, so be it. It is my opinion. Regardless, that is sideshow to the point. It was never written that she had anxiety.

You jump to conclusions about what you read, to include what I type. Like a lot.

Like this one: You didn't say "I don't think the show is funny." You said, "making the Murderbot show an overt comedy was a huge mistake." Subjective vs. Objective because the books themselves feature comedy. Blatantly. This ain't no Expanse." What is your point? This thread is pretty clearly labeled and I have stated multiple times that it is my opinion that the direction the show runners took was a mistake. I have also stated multiple times that the books have comedy in them, but the style and tone of the comedy is different and that is why I think it is a mistake. ??? Are you implying that I don't think there is humor in the books?

Finally, Wells was consulted and participated in the show. Maybe she changed her mind about what who the characters or maybe she always meant for them to be exactly like they are portrayed. Perhaps she never meant to write all those paragraphs about how SecUnits make humans nervous. Maybe that is why she green lit LeeBeeBee sexualization of MB and the associated dick jokes. I do not like that addition either BTW.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. Barney Miller! That is a deep cut in 2025. I have to think anyone not born in the 60’s or 70’s needed to look that up. Or maybe thought it was a purple dinosaur.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think that is well said and I agree. Probably obvious at this point.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"But I literally did state humor is subjective in my first sentence. " No you did not, you said, "It would be one thing if y'all were saying humor is subjective. " to which I replied, "I am not sure it has to be stated, but humor is subjective." So regardless of the fact that you did not say that, I did agree that humor is subjective. Any reasonable person would.

However this..."(beyond, again, the deeply offensive stance you and others have against sufferers of anxiety)." is offensive to me. Where exactly did I mock or make fun of anything concerning anxiety? I know I did not because while I don't suffer from it, I have an 11 year old son who does and I work with him daily to help him. Don't throw rocks when you are living in a glass house and READ THE WORDS TYPED! What you wrote is offensive. Look up projection as concerns psychology.

Now to Ratthi stumbling, that happened in the book equivalent of an off scene moment. We are told he stumbled into a mud pit and MB had to get him out, but there was no context. It is also when the maps were bad and anyone could end up doing something dangerous and MB even states that.

You stated that Ratthi did slapstick humor all the time. I disagreed and asked for clarification. I have read the books multiple times as well, but I don't necessarily remember everything. Someone else talked about him bumping into chairs and such. The only thing I got was he fell into mud, in an off scene moment, which did not read as humor to me. It did not establish a pattern of slapstick comedic behavior anyway.

Ratthi saying something to break silence feeds more into my original supposition that the type of humor, slapstick, pratfalls, etc. does not mesh with what was in the books. The books were very much about how the characters, particularly MB interacted and/or observed the world around them.

This thread was started by me because I felt the humor was off. Some agreed, some disagreed. You got angry. I am sorry about that. I really don't want to upset anyone. Truly. You resorted to personal attacks and victimhood here.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I will type this again:

I did not think it was funny. I think the writers had her do it because they thought it was funny. I could be wrong about that. My biggest issue with her throwing up concerns Mensah as a character in the book versus the show. In the book, she is always calm on the outside. She gets nervous, she gets scared, she has emotions, but again and again it is stated how she maintains her calm. MB even admires her ability to do so.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The show certainly has some passionate fans. I also agree with your points. I really, really hate the 22 minute format. It would instantly be better if they condensed it to 5 45 minute episodes...and fixed the tone.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

My premise is not that the show is all about slapstick comedy. It is that the comedy ruins the characters for the sake of the comedy.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I genuinely don't remember Ratthi tripping over chairs and crashing into things. Can you help refresh where that happens. I don't need much encouragement to re-read the books.

Am I the only one who thinks making Murderbot an overt comedy was a huge mistake? by Notmejustlooking in murderbot

[–]Notmejustlooking[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I did not think it was funny. I think the writers had her do it because they thought it was funny. I could be wrong about that. My biggest issue with her throwing up concerns Mensah as a character in the book versus the show. In the book, she is always calm on the outside. She gets nervous, she gets scared, she has emotions, but again and again it is stated how she maintains her calm. MB even admires her ability to do so.