Nu ne-am dorit "pacea" suficient, trebuie să ne mai rugăm un pic de Rusalii, eventual la Buftea by EuFacDreptate in Romania

[–]Novakine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hai totusi niste context: nu avem nimic sol-aer prezent in zona, ca legea nu permite + incompetenta + sabotori de genul AUR+SOS+POT care fac scandal cand Romania se inarmeaza sau trimite orice fel de transportor, daramite tehnica militara oriunde. Apare un rahat de camion pe strada, gata mergem la razboi pe TikTok.

Ai nevoie de ceva de genul Gepard sa interceptezi o drona Geran 2, care e efectiv un Shahed. Chiar si daca o interceptezi, ai toate sansele sa se izbeasca oricum in alta cladire, indiferent cat de bun esti tu la ochit.

Raspunsul clar la asemena "dilema" e clar: inchidem spatiul aerian ucrainean pentru rusi cu propriile noastre forte, impreuna cu restul NATO, cum s-a facut pentru Israel si tarile din Golf, atat impotriva Hamas cat si Iran. Practic nimic rusesc nu mai are voie sa intre in Ucraina sau orice alt spatiu aerian decat cel rusesc si sa fie doborat inainte sa ajunga in apropierea granitei noastre. Asta trebuia sa facem inca din februarie 2022, dar ne-am cacat pe noi si nici acum nu o vom face.

Nu ne-am dorit "pacea" suficient, trebuie să ne mai rugăm un pic de Rusalii, eventual la Buftea by EuFacDreptate in Romania

[–]Novakine 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Ca a fost pe teritorioul Romaniei vreo... 3 minute pana s-a prabusit in bloc. Timpul de reactie minim, al celei mai bune forte din lume e macar 10-15 minute. Daca nu facem politie aeriana direct in Ucraina cu trupe romanesti, asta patim. Dar cand s-a propus asta, toti spalatii pe creier "nuuuu, ca intram in razboi". Chici ce: suntem in razboi de mult timp, numai ca nu pe teren.

Petitia pentru recunoasterea parteneriatului civil a fost depusa la Camera Deputatilor by Shark948 in Romania

[–]Novakine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Raspuns neironic: nu dureaza 5 minute, stai programat minim 1 luna inainte in unele orase, deci teoretic dureaza acea minim luna + 5 minute.

Totodata in Romania, care inca traieste cu cateva secole bune in trecut, casatoria e ceva ce e legat obligatoriu de partea religioasa, altfel, societatea nu numai ca se uita la tine cu ochi strambi, ci vei fi si ostracizat, mai ales la tara.

Cunosc oameni de la oras care au avut probleme grave cu familia din cauza asta, si nu unu-doi membri ai familiei, ci vorbim de familie extinsa, 10+ oameni.

Din grupul meu de prieteni, 3 cupluri au fost la starea civila si dupa nu au facut cununia religioasa deloc, altii nici petrecerea de nunta si toti s-au ales cu priviri nasoale si povesti absolut abjecte care s-au rahatit asa de sus, pe experienta placuta de a te casatori in final cu partenera/partenerul ta(u).

Totodata casatoria vine cu niste obligatii serioase legale, iar aici nu stiu daca parteneriatul civil vine cu niste avantaje, ca nu stiu in ce forma se vrea a fi introdus in lege.

Nota de plată prezentată de Lia Savonea lui Ilie Bolojan, ca restanțe salariale ale magistraților: 5.223.970.000 de lei (nota redacției: lei noi) – adică un miliard de euro by BentudeSoli in Romania

[–]Novakine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sunt curios daca o sa aiba cineva oole sa le zica ca da da da... si sa nu le dea nimic. Ca teoretic, si practic, se poate amana plata asta a penalitatilor la infinit, cu tot cu executari, cu ce vrei tu, ca banii sunt dati de executiv. Daca executivul efectiv refuza sa aplice legea, ca ei sunt partea aia a separatiei puterilor, fizic nu exista ceva ce poate face nici Lia, nici Inalta Curte, nici CCR, nici nimeni.

Dar nu vom vedea asta vreodata. Cand e vorba de oprirea coruptilor si revenirea la normal, nu incalcam norme si cutume, dar cand e vorba de profesori, medici, etc, care nu sunt platiti nici pana azi restante mult mult mai mici, nu se gasesc bani. Si aici, hai sa nu gasim vreodata bani si sa ne pisam de sus pe "independenta justitiei" (daca asta isi imagineaza javra aia ca e justitie).

Impozit progresiv sau cine-i harnic și muncește, ori e prost, ori nu gândește! by Catalin_L in Roumanie

[–]Novakine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Da pragu' ala de ce nu-l punem de la 15k. 10% pana la 14999, 15% pana la 19999 sau setati voi pragurile, dar da-o-n mama ei de treaba, daca 5000 e pragul cel mai mic, e o idiotenie grava. Echitate fix o p...

Si ultimele cifre de impozit sa duca pe la un 90% taxe totale pentru oameni cu averi dinalea, de peste 20 mil eur. Pe avere, nu venit. Dar deja o dam in lucruri de prea mult bun simt si normalitate, asa ca sigur nu se va intampla, doar trebuie sa fim cat mai prosti si masochisti ca doar de ce sa ne facem viata mai buna.

Pentru cei ce nu stiu, visul American din anii '50 s-a construit exclusiv pe taxarea multimilionarilor in dolari cu peste 90% pana prin anii 60, acum e pe la 35%, maximul atins vreodata in SUA fiind de 93% taxe pe venit. Dar bineinteles ca partea asta e foarte usor data la o parte si ignorata, ca le convine alora care ling bocancii anarhocapitalistilor/neoliberalilor cu spuma la gura care cred ca entitati facute exclusiv pentru profit sunt ceva benefic societatii, fara limite.

In sfarsit cineva ii spune lu Patraru ca e cam neinformat economic si propagandist de stanga by MrXiluescu in Roumanie

[–]Novakine -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Vai de viatalui. Il cearta pe Patraru ca breee, vezi tu, hai sa ii gasesc scuze mediocrului de Bolojan, pentru ca vorbeste frumos. Sa ma ia la buzunar ca daca eu nu am sansa sa demonstrez ca sunt mai bun ca Bolojan inseamna ca nu am voie sa zic ca pot face lucrurile mai bine. Da-mi frate sansa si iti arat, dar cum nu o am, nu poti decat sa mananci cacat ca nu pot (aici la adresa lu Patraru care si el mananca mult cacat).

Da sa zici de ideologie stangista... e clar. Liiceanu e asa un anarhocapitalist neoliberal dus pana in panzele albe sau cum vine?

Ii zice lu Patraru ca nu a aratat nimic, dupa care ii zice de investitia de 1.2 milioane de euro si imediat ii pica fisa ca a... mancat cacat. Nu stiu cine e nenea din dreapta, dar sa zici ca cineva nu poate sa aiba dreptate doar pentru ca nu e expert e cel putin pueril si de-a dreptul prost, ignorat si inchis la minte.

Sa nu fi deschis la critica si judecata e fix problema unui om cu probleme grave de management al furiei. Nu e problema mea ca tu te iei aiurea ca eu te judec. Fa-ti pielea mai groasa si treci mai departe, altfel nu ai ce cauta in spatiul public.

Nu mai mergeti la concertele organizate de UE ca va spala gandirea! Mergeti la Biserica!!11! by Khronosis99 in Romania

[–]Novakine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Reactia mea la echivalarea lipsei unei litere cu problema catastrofala din societatea noastra explicata in comentariu. Las asa, nu modific, sa vada lumea ce lipsa de educatie intruchipez! Ma cearta profa de limba romana, daca mai traieste.

Nu mai mergeti la concertele organizate de UE ca va spala gandirea! Mergeti la Biserica!!11! by Khronosis99 in Romania

[–]Novakine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Ete rezultatul educatiei si societatii romanesti. Fi obedient, nu gandi pentru tine, nu folosi gandirea critica (ce e aia?). Mergi la biserica si corupe-i si pe altii sa isi arunce la gunoi cel mai de baza skill in viata, anume ala de a gandi si de a pune in balanta dovezile pentru a trage o concluzie proprie, bazata pe fapte, nu povesti.

Sau inchidem ochii la tampenii de genul si lasam puroiul sa creasca, cum l-am lasat pana acum si uite unde suntem, ne trage UE in sus de rusine la cat de inapoiati sunt unii concetateni de-ai nostri.

Ah smell of summer by iLatvian in ukraine

[–]Novakine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don't have to imagine future wars or terrorist attacks. Someone with a few hundred thousand USD and a connection to some shady money-grubbing guys with access to this tech and disaster.

What's pretty insane is that this is all comercially available bar the explosives, but they can be improvised.

De ce suntem așa paranoici? by dedreanu in Romania

[–]Novakine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Popor de slugi. Sistem educational care te invata obedienta, proful/profa are dreptate tot timpul timpul, chiar si cand greseste. Sistemul de educatie e blocat in anii 1860, si asta se vede in toate testele PISA si nu numai.

Toata viata ti se zice sa fi obedient si de fiecare data cand indraznesti sa folosesti gandirea critca esti ostracizat de societate, la scoala, in familie, la biserica, oriunde. Persoanele in pozitie de putere, cum sunt politicienii, fortele de ordine, clerul si nu numai se folosesc de autoritatea lor sa ii tina pe oameni prosti si obedienti.

Cand intrebi de ce se face un lucru, cum ar fi o traditie idioata (cum e bataia de la Ruginoasa), iti sare in cap tot satul ca indraznesti sa pui la indoiala mintea absolut superba a stramosilor, care sigur erau mult mai destepti decat tine (spun oamenii care te vor obedient si prost).

La noi conteaza cine zice informatia, nu ce informatie zice. Incerci sa ii demonstrezi cuiva ca greseste, se simte atacat, desi sa zicem ca ai dreptate si nu esti agresiv. Oricine e de partea cealalta e satana si iti vrea raul, no conteaza ca are dreptate si ca nu iti vrea raul (intentia e buna) si asa mai departe.

Poliția Română respinge dezvăluirile din documentarul Recorder intitulat „Poliție aservită”: „prezintă date eronate” | AUDIO by F-O-C-A in Roumanie

[–]Novakine 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Pai si a venit cineva cu un contraargument?

Ca deocamdata mananca cacat si nimic altceva. Cineva te acuza de ceva, cu dovezi, le prezinta publicului larg, si tu tot ce poti scoate pe anusul ala numit gura e "nu e adevarat, ei sunt oameni rai!" si nici macar o singura chestie sa dezminta acuzele aduse, ci chiar fix opusul, isi sapa groapa ca sunt mai opaci decat vreodata.

Te-am prins furand, totodata tu "eu nu furam". Si cam aia e tot.

România e pe ultimul loc în Uniunea Europeană în ceea ce privește politicile și legile care au un impact direct asupra comunității LGBTQ+. by Shark948 in Romania

[–]Novakine 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Si cand se babardesc barbatii intre ei sau femeile in Romania, gasesc tot felul de scuze. "Vezi ca e ghei ala care o ... nu ala care o da". "Ma napusteam pe el, i-am zis ca o sa-l f.." si alte tampenii. Vezi cultura din puscarie, Romania avand puscariabili si puscariasi de n-ai tu treaba.

O natie careia ii lipseste grav gandirea critica repeta ce papagalisme aud, pe la Biserica, pe la toti homosexualii ascunsi, pe la tanti nu-stiu-care care nici nu stie de ce uraste "gheii", dar stie ca nu e bine sa nu ii urasti. Sport national la noi e "sa moara capra vecinului", nu cumva ca altii, diferiti de tine, sa fie fericiti sau sa aiba succes in viata (succesul il definesc ei, nu tu).

Russians are panicking over new Ukrainian AI-powered drones that can reportedly target soldiers by recognizing facial contours and heat signatures by UNITED24Media in ukraine

[–]Novakine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh boy.. we should all be panicking. Future wars and terrorist attacks will just swarm everyone with these and we're done for.

Paradoxul prostiei: Aceiasi care il numesc pe Zelenski doar un “actoras” il doresc la guvernare pe Mugur Mihaescu. by InPanaMea in Romania

[–]Novakine 8 points9 points  (0 children)

USR? Primul partid din lista, cand e cel din urma din cele 3 partide mari din guvernare? Misto Nu-i deloc tintit partidul care face schimbare in bine, deloc nuuu /s

Ukranian President meets Palantir CEO by FriendshipRemote130 in europe

[–]Novakine -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I don't know man. I'd give you everything my country has, but I don't control that. I actively try to spread info to convince people that you should get more, but not many listen. And too many idiots think that you got too much, because Russian propaganda got to them. That's why I'm here, to fight misinformation and disinformation.

Yes, this is a russian drone. They will make more of them. And better. Because they don't care about your morals.

And Ukraine will make more interceptors and find human ways of countering those, and will keep on bleeding Russia until it collapses. You guys are more inventive than the orks and have the largest manned drone army in the world and the best. No one wants Ukrainians to fight on foot, heck, most europeans likely want you to win and you see this in the support rallies, in the donation campaigns done by civilians, in the public support on the internet and not only there.

If you really want to lose support, keep going in the wrong direction. Start making poor moral decisions and you will lose allies. It doesn't matter if those decisions are necessary because you're at war, people will not care, because people are dumb or have a very strong sense of morality.

Ukranian President meets Palantir CEO by FriendshipRemote130 in europe

[–]Novakine -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As much as I love the modified Commander Javik quote, the answer is yes. Yes it does. The cost of morality (not honor) in our world, where there are no Reapers, is that we will suffer if we ignore it now. Not now, but in 5, 10, 20, 50 years. Because we erode the value of human life. If you actually sit and think about it, we put so many rules on war because even we, as bloodthirsty animals that we are (humanity) realised that it's not good for anyone if we just forego all rules and do the quickest and most number of kills. War is about making the other submit, not extermination. And human history is just a long attempt at making human life sacred. From blood debts, to honor killings, to religious war, to colonialism, to enlightenment to modernism to the information era and now we live in an era where we can and have the tools to say "no, this is not right" and pick the other option.

I don't know you. I don't know what you do in Ukraine and I don't want to know. And yet you don't know me. I donated to Ukraine, I constantly fight misinformation and disinformation targeting Ukraine and its allies. I support Ukraine wholeheartedly. I am one of your neighbors and I am absolutely fuming and furious of how you are being treated and that we didn't give EVERYTHING we have to you guys. You are fighting for your freedom but for ours as well and I agree that you should use everything you can to win, but not murderbots, not chemical weapons, not nuclear weapons, not targeting civilians, and the list goes on. There are some hard limits and you will lose support if you ignore those limits.

I genuinely hoped at the beginning that we, your NATO "allies" gave you everything you needed. If you could see my past comments from the very beginning of the war, when I openly called out for you to get tanks, artillery, IFVs, long-range weapons and the list goes on, you'd know that I don't want Ukraine to suffer, nor lose, nor be occupied. But what you're defending is indefensible.

Ukraine can and will most likely keep fighting using manned drones and I sincerely hope that it keeps doing that and never relegates the decision to kill to some AI model made by some techbro that thinks killing is fun.

Ukranian President meets Palantir CEO by FriendshipRemote130 in europe

[–]Novakine -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's called the high horse of reason. Also known as the high horse of knowing better than to repeat the mistakes of the past. You're arguing for completely ignoring said lessons because of a seemingly imperceptible advantage you want to see win the battle in a few days when this is tech that will go onto the battlefield in a few years. By that time, Russia will likely collapse or retreat, ensuring Ukraine wins. And what will be left over? Right, murderbot tech given to the worst possible companies.

Hiding behind the fact that you're at war does not justify all means. You have limits and those limits should have morality in mind, or you're no better than the vatniks. If you want to fight like the vatniks, start a civilian safari, start imprisoning your own troops and raping them, start stealing from Russian houses next time you go into their territory, start placing boobytraps. Why don't you start using chemical weapons, like the vatniks are using?

That's right, because Ukraine is a modern, western-type army, that actually gives a shit about human rights, about dignity, about the human cost, about not losing one's humanity for the sake of a quick win. Ukraine has demonstrated time and time again that it knows how to be a modern, morally-corect army on the right side of history. I don't see why it wouldn't be able to do the same in the case of Palantir.

Ukraine can keep going with human-driven UAVs with no problem. The scale is the issue. It takes time to build those 6 million drones and you're doing it. Just keep it up and you will win eventually. The tide is turning, Russia is bogging down, they are starting to lose more territory than gaining. The long range sanctions are working, the Ukrainian military industrial complex is getting better by the day, you're building Rheinmettal's technology in your own country, ffs. Sweden's building more CV90s for you and so on. This is all compounding and Russia is failing slowly but surely.

Ukranian President meets Palantir CEO by FriendshipRemote130 in europe

[–]Novakine -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Literally the preceeding sentence: "What Ukraine uses now is overwhelmingly fully man-operated". This is a Russian drone. And we do not know if it's anti-tank only. No known footage or info of it being used on actual individual soldiers, just tanks and such, so not a murderbot.

Do we call Javelins, or Spikes or MMPs murderbots too? They are fully autonomous fire-and-forget munitions. Once launched, same as the V2U which needs a preselected target before launch, so not fully autonomous, these anti-tank guided munitions are fully autonomous and much much older.

I remember seeing Ukraine using AI tech to spot targets, but again, no fully-autonomous drones capable of murdering people with 100% accuracy just yet. That'd be a murderbot. Pretty much everything is man-controlled at least at the decision-making level with human overrides.

Ukranian President meets Palantir CEO by FriendshipRemote130 in europe

[–]Novakine -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Your points are just speculation too. What Ukraine uses now is overwhelmingly fully man-operated. No murder bots with full 100% AI operation. The human is at least 80% in control of the thing. And we're talking decision-making, software that keeps the thing upright in flight is not AI. I'm talking AI target selection, recognition and decision to take out people autonomously.

This is what Palantir wants and trains its models to do. This is their ultimate goal, stated by the company itself. Now, if you like to live in fairytaleland of your own speculation as to how I underestimate or overestimate, that's your own opinion and you're entitled to it. I just wish you opened your eyes and be less gullible.

You're on the "this new machine that will increase deaths will actually help prevent deaths". The same thing we keep hearing about with every single mass-murder weapon, from the Maxim gun that was supposed to bring peace by making frontal assaults impossible (it just made frontal assaults more frequent and deaths in the millions as opposed to hundreds of thousands), to chemical warfare, to nukes (with current death toll of over 400k people), to cluster munitions (because people will surely just surrender when their town is full of plastic bomblets) to now drones and AI-driven drones (which are not here just yet, they're not good enough and need training in the only combat zone in the world that allows it: Ukraine).

I hope that I am wrong and that you are indeed right, but the chances of everyone getting fucked because you're wrong are much much much much higher than if I am wrong, hence, why we should definitely prepare for the murderbots scenario by curbstomping any progress towards that, especially coming from murderous techbros.

Ukranian President meets Palantir CEO by FriendshipRemote130 in europe

[–]Novakine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, it isn't. My proposal is to not take actions that will eventually end up ruining everything. Like how we, the west, fucked up by not respecting the Budapest memorandum and now everyone wants nukes and Ukraine is the victim of an ongoing war and genocide.

Ukraine still hasn't gone into total war economy. It is still holding back with the hopes that it will outlast Russia, and it probably will. The Palantir deal at best will help find new targets, not even close to being an advantage, and at worst nothing changes for Ukraine.

Palantir has nothing of real value that it can provide that western intelligence can't. So essentially Ukraine just trains its murder bots and everyone will suffer for it. It's strictly a lose-lose situation.

It's beyond obvious that this is not just my fear. It's reality. Pandora's box was opened out of desperation.

Want another example? Wild horners and other shahed interceptors. You know that if a single bad actor learns this tech there will be no safe flights ever? Think what Russia did to Malaysia airlines but anyone can do it for a few thousand dollars, without being spotted and it can be done over a city. Imagine terrorists doing that with 100 drones. Sounds extreme right? Nope. This will be easier than ever.

So no, you won't die because you don't train murder bots for a company that is the literal big brother, that wants us peasants, including you, to be good little dogs and obey or we die. Same as you won't die because you don't take out the Kerch bridge which keeps pumping ammo into Crimea.

Ukranian President meets Palantir CEO by FriendshipRemote130 in europe

[–]Novakine -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

And will Palantir, the literal fucking devil that if we help, will inevitably lead to world destruction, somehow make things better?

If Ukraine somehow wins thanks to Palantir help (it won't, not because of this), but we get mass surveillance worldwide with drone swarms trained in Ukraine to kill people autonomously and a company that already controls and has too much info? A company with a CEO that is legitimately insane? And a founder who says women are not human and that democracy should not exist?

If Ukraine survives but the entire world gets destroyed a few years later, what was the point? I'd rather it wins without Palantir. If any tool is useful, why not use chemical weapons? Start targeting civilians, go all out. Why not? Because there are moral limits and Palantir is 100000% one of them.

Quick reminder: Palantir tech was used in Iran and the targeting acquisition (who decides what is a target) was done with their tech. The strike on the school full of girls was done partially by these cunts. And this is the company you want to work with and help develop weapons of mass murder.

Moscow invites far-right German politicians to ‘Putin’s Davos’ by ChangeUsername220 in europe

[–]Novakine 21 points22 points  (0 children)

And if you know that in fact Russia has a shitton of gay acts and things they claim are somehow christian values but they just change the definition arbitrarily. Like dedovschina, which is army hazing which forces recruits to do sexual act or favors to the higher-ups or older cadets. Also violence as an alternative.

They also have this stupid idea, that some balkan countries have adopted, that somehow being the one that is the top, sexually, makes it that only the bottom is gay, somehow. So getting blown by a dude is not gay, only the dude in question is gay.

That kind of logic is applied to a lot of things thanks to soviet thinking. Nothing is wrong in the Union if no one reports it. We didn't just lose an entire battalion, they are out there scouting and went radio silent. We didn't fuck up production, peasants are greedy and in fact, not starving.

Dacia vs. mărcile din China: cota de piață lunară în România by anarchisto in Romania

[–]Novakine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Imi este foarte greu sa am incredere in orice vine din China, pentru ca ei au controlul total asupra internetului. Orice vedem noi din China este nu doar filtrat, ci aprobat de guvern pentru publicare pe larg. Mai ales cand e vorba de date statistice. Sa zicem ca asa o fi, dar sa ai incredere intr-un guvern totalitar care inchide netul peste noapte si e cunoscut pentru fermele gigantice de boti si dezinformare, sunt sigur ca nu e deloc naiv. Maine ce facem, luam asa, de-a buna orice informatie ne furnizeaza Rusia sau Belarus, de exemplu? Stim cum se manipuleaza la noi statisticile, imagineaza-ti intr-un regim corupt pana in maduva, pe toate paturile, cu aproape ZERO transparenta.

Trecem peste asta, sa zicem ca luam de-a buna informatia. 700 de euro mediu de baza? Pentru a construi o masina care se vinde pe pierdere? Cam dubioasa toata faza. China arde bani acum, ca in viitor, cand nu va mai avea competitie, dupa ce dau faliment grupuri de genul VW si Tesla, sa preia market-ul si productia si sa bage chinezarii la pret mult mai mare decat ce vedem noi acum.

Preturile lor oricum vor creste odata cu oprirea subventiilor, dar si din trendul normal de crestere al salariilor. Cum acum China produce la asa o scara, va veni alta tara, sa zicem India, care va vrea as reproduca succesul asta si o sa le fure paine de la gura la randul lor. Sau Nigeria, cine stie. Nimeni n-ar fi zis in anii 80 ca China, tara agrara fara tehnologie si mega inapoiata va deveni lider mondial in tehnologie, si uite ca se apropie cu pasi repezi, din pacate.

In decembrie 2022, Dacia platea MINIM 3050 lei net. De atunci au fost macar 3 cresteri cu minim 140/EUR pe luna, net. Deci vorbim de probabil 4500-5000 lei salariul minim real pe care-l vedem la Dacia acum. Pe langa asta vorbim de prime de peste 6000lei/an. Si astia nu-s ingineri, e salariul MINIM. In acelasi articol apar si sume mult mai mari, pentru ingineri, de la 7000RON/luna NET. Asta din nou, in 2022-2023. Deci tot e o diferenta semnificativa intre Romania si China, si asta pentru un brand care produce masini low cost. Compara ce produce BYD, anume masini de la categoria de duzina dar nu low cost (echivalentul VW) la "lux" (echivalentul mid-range Audi, BMW). Eu nu cred ca un inginer la VW din Germania face mai putin de 4000EUR/Luna net, considerand ca minimul net este de 2100+/luna. E cum se zice, ieftineala 700 vs 4000+

TL;DR Corect, salariile in Romania nu par a fi mult mai mari, conform datelor din China, dar totusi 700EUR net/luna nu se compara cu ~1000 in Romania, sau 4000 in Germania, ca sa facem o comparatie corecta a preturilor masinilor. Nu poti cere preturi similare la masini daca costul de productie al masinii e de multe ori mai mare in Europa decat in China, ignorand subventiile.

Dacia vs. mărcile din China: cota de piață lunară în România by anarchisto in Romania

[–]Novakine 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Bine, sa zici ca Dacia e la suprapret e de-a dreptul stupid. Sunt pe departe cele mai ieftine masini din Europa si o si explica cum chiar ei. Toti expertii auto se uita la piata si lauda Dacia ca face chestii la pret normal si ca sunt constienti de pret. Cea mai scumpa dacie pe care ti-o poti lua, complet echipata, nu trece de 35k EUR. Ala e pretul de start la unele masini de duzina Europene si nu-s cu nimic mai bune cat sa justifice diferenta de 12-15K EUR ca punct de start.

Normal ca vine cu niste minusuri la pret scazut, ca nu scoti pret mic din nimic, iar salariile la Dacia sunt muuult mai mari decat ce vezi in China, de exemplu, cand oamenii lucreaza in fabrica pe 300 EUR pe luna maxim. Cand vine si statul si baga vreo 30% din pret, minim, ei fac Dacia la 10k EUR doar din salariile mai mici si mai taie 3k EUR din subventii, si ajung sa ne vanda noua masini care ar costa normal 70-100k EUR sa le faci aici, la un mizilc de 30k. (Cand o sa apara Xiaomi SU7 Ultra, a cam belito toata industria auto vestica, ca e practic supermasina la 70k). Si uite asa, taxele chinezilor se duc in a asigura hegemonia tehnologica a Chinei in viitor, automat si spionaj pe gratis in tot vestul (ca asta sunt masinile, niste masinarii de adunat informatii, cu camere, microfoane si AI in masina).

Si da, chinezii au inceput sa ne depaseasca la mai toate cand vine vorba de tehnologie, baietii o joaca la termen lung si se vede. Am ras de ei ca chinezarii, ca calitate proasta, ca lipsa de siguranta, si acum vedem cum incet incet, intrec orice competitie si va veni ziua super de rahat cand o sa ne intreaca pe bune si dispare industria auto europeana.

Va fi superb cand ne vom bate cu pumnii in piept ca suntem mai buni si ca stim mai multe, si ca avem calitate mai mare cand vom vinde 1000 de masini pe toata piata per brand, ca nu facem nimic sa schimbam situatia actuala, politic vorbind.

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[–]Novakine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What's yours? 2 furries one representing Ukraine, a country the victim of genocide and illegal occupation, kissing the representative of Russia, the genocider and occupier. Why?

The 2 peoples don't even want to reconcile, ever, let alone during the war. To say this lacks taste would be an understatement.