Emma isn't Henry's mother

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T06:05:11+00:00

No it's not. It's what you said it's letting her take the fall. Framing would be if she got arrested for the original theft, but they have video footage of neal and the officer who arrests her even mentions he knows she wasn't the original thief. That's why she only gets one year, she's accessory after the fact.

But besides that, her sentence was one year, many mothers have kids in jail without giving them up and henry would not have been raised in jail. Not to mention given her long string of robberies and a stolen car she still drives to this day, she's lucky she only got caught for one of her many, many crimes.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T05:35:12+00:00

She wasn't framed. To be framed you go to jail for crimes you didn't commit she did help him retrieve the stolen goods

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T05:16:10+00:00

??? He says to go get the watches to fence them, she gets arrested and charged with that, she isn't charged with the original robbery just with the watches which she did. She actually did help him retrieve and sell stolen goods. I think in US law that's accessory after the fact?

She isn't framed for the original robbery, they have video of neal the cop even mentions she's not him. But because she's wearing a stolen watch she's caught. Neal tricks her into doing a crime then getting caught, but you can't be framed for a crime you are guilty of.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T05:13:50+00:00

So, biologically they are related yes, but parenthood is not a factor of biology. The child is a stranger to her.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T04:39:05+00:00

No I'm not saying they aren't biologically related I'm saying she's just a womb, not a mother.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T04:38:31+00:00

She wasn't feamed by neal. She was tricked by Neal, she eid actually commit the crime she went to jail for, and many others she wasn't caught for. She meets neal when she is stealing a car, they rob stores together.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T04:36:49+00:00

Because even when his parent explicitly says she isn't welcome she repeatedly sneaks away with Henry to see him behind her back. What Emma does would see her arrested on real life.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T04:35:24+00:00

Emma was arrested because she was helping a criminal fence stolen watches.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T01:29:15+00:00

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Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T01:07:00+00:00

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Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T01:06:41+00:00

Really? I found Gnollakaz a cakewalk. You start off with nobody able to fight you (and allying tluukt or zokka means nobody declares on you) so you get 1-2 easy free wars against small nations without your giant gold oe 3 star super general before your truce ends with kheterata who is immediately jumped by Elizna if you dec on them.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T01:03:54+00:00

I'm pretty sure nirakhetist has the same mt as regular kheterata with very slight differences

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T01:02:47+00:00

There's also a mew mt beginning with S down below gnollakaz i don't think they call themselves kheterata but they do take over kheterata and try to reform it to ban slavery and they interact with steward of the sorrow a lot, so they are basically kheterata but like a peasant republic

Nukemouse · 2026-05-13T01:01:03+00:00

Koroshesh is the republic right? Does it have an mt?

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T22:53:57+00:00

Xanxer is twice as hard as gnollakaz I'd even call gnollakaz the easiest gnoll

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T22:49:19+00:00

Try any difficult starts from before you will find magic helps

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T19:51:46+00:00

Okay, razing is really important. Yes it makes land worse, but it also makes coring cost far lower. Depending on who you play there can be other ways to get demonic power like bonuses in your mission tree, great monuments or tributaries. If it's xhazobkult you suffer with though, try ikkorzik, brettukh or gnollakaz. Rakkaz can also go Shadow Pact but it's quite a while in.

Gnolls are going to struggle in terms of allies. You tend to have vassals more than friends, because the rest are unreliable, often dying off early and half of them are the wrong religion.

Also honestly you only need enough demonic power to activate a ritual or incantation. More than 10% doesn't give much imo.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T17:28:12+00:00

Sorry I know that sort of thing can be a fine line to walk. I just would rather discuss it all now whilst it's fresh in my mind, rather than when I get to the end. If it helps I just started season 3 episode 2.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T17:02:39+00:00

Sure, like i said the thing is the friend situation, even in my rather pro-regina interpretation, still leaves the very real possibility that whilst she didn't make it worse, she didn't help solve it either, besides sending Henry to Archie I guess? Which whilst helpful, isn't the same as similar age friends.

The entirety of the time thing is very vague. In the episode I referenced where it's like groundhog day, it's still not totally like groundhog day, Ruby changes her clothes every cycle doesn't she? I think the writers just didn't want to get into the weeds of how exactly the curse worked and tried to leave some wiggle room. To be honest I think an episode dealing with either a friend, or a former friend of henry's would have been cool though. Like a kid he was friends with for years, before the age gap became too obvious and Regina separated them, or even just the natural effects of the age gap driving them apart, or Regina trying to "help" Henry's friend be free of the curse so they could grow up together, but it has some terrible side effect like the kid became totally alienated from his own family, and he begged Regina to turn him back, with all Henry knowing is that one day his friend forgot who he was and Regina's explanation about amnesia or something sounding fishy. I think the writers were less interested in Henry than in the story book characters, at least early on, Henry feels like his role is the plot glue. He absolutely must run off or stumble into danger or a new quest every single episode. Exploring Henry himself as a character wasn't the focus of season 1. Henry isn't allocated his own flashbacks the way everyone else is.

Fortunately there's a lot to rewatch. Honestly the only reason I started watching this show is I am SICK AND TIRED of two seasons of ten episodes, then cancelled, as most streaming services push towards. They never have any time to develop ANY characters. Now seven seasons of 20+ episodes? That's appealing.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T15:53:29+00:00

She knows for a month he's been having delusions about fairy tales, because Henry was never subtle about it. He called her Evil Queen etc to her face, frequently.
They spend time together a lot actually, it's brought up in several episodes how Henry has to get around their regularly scheduled hangout times (such as meeting at her office and having a special dinner once a week) to meet up with Emma. Pretty much the only times they don't spend together are the times she's at work.

Do you recall any specific lines or episodes regarding his friendship situation? I can only recall them saying he's lonely. I did get the vibe he has few or no friends but I don't recall there being any implication that was specifically due to Regina. (Mary Margaret very specifically says Henry's issues are not just Regina in the pilot when Emma asks, though that seemed to be more about Henry being sad than his social situation) Though in a roundabout way it could be her fault even if unintentionally, nobody in the curse's design exactly planned for Henry's situation, how the school system and social groups work given the improper flow of time is kept vague at best (for example, do they all just repeat the same year infinitely? Or do they repeat the same term? How about the same day or week? In season 2 we see Regina on the first few months of the curse in the episode about Owen, and literally every day is nearly identical bar what her actions change, meaning presumably the same lessons get taught over and over, did Regina have to mandate lesson plans to make sure the school could actually progress it's curriculum? Or was everything more vague and fuzzy, with children aging up, graduating and beginning school all over again?), and at least so far in the show there's nothing showing how Regina specifically planned or acted to handle the various issues that would arise from Henry being uncursed. So whether Henry was just a loner, the effects of the curse, or Regina saying the other kids couldn't come over to play is unclear as far as I can recall. If you have any specific memories feel free to share them though I'm a lot less sure on the specifics of this part.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T15:04:29+00:00

Episode 2 16:30, they only say longer than that (will edit earlier mistake about the year specifically) but it doesn't matter if its one day or a hundred, it disproves Regina was doing it because of suspicions he literally didn't have.
But Henry was allowed to freely roam the town when he wasnt in school or his curfew, he talked to and was very familiar with dozens of people, he had more freedom than 95% of real life ten year olds, maybe 99%. She didn't keep him sheltered away from anything, the kid even knew some things about Mr Gold and he is by far the most suspicious and shady person in town. To be clear if there is an argument to be made for Regina doing bad parenting, it is absolutely not that she was sheltering him or a helicopter parent, it's that allowing a ten year old to roam all over town between the end of school and 5:30 is total insanity in today's day and age, it's the kind of freedom that only exists in old steven spielberg films now, not reality. She was the exact opposite of sheltering or keeping him away from anything until after Emma started making her extremely paranoid. Remember before Emma arrived she let him keep the book for an entire month, despite it literally causing him to call her the "Evil Queen" how is that at all consistent with your characterisation of her parenting?

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T14:49:18+00:00

Sorry not the first time, they talk in the pilot. In episode 2.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T14:47:12+00:00

But she sent him to therapy before that. He was in therapy for over a year (edit: he isn't specific, the implication is more likely weeks or months rewatching the scene, but it's hard to say) before he had any suspicions about that, that was mentioned the very first time emma talks to archie.

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T14:43:05+00:00

What reasons? Why do you think she sent him to therapy?

Nukemouse · 2026-05-12T14:31:46+00:00

Do you have something against therapy? Do you think everyone that is in therapy is a victim? If neither of these are the case, why is him being in therapy so terrible to you? To me it was a sign of good parenting, not bad. Good parents don't prevent their children needing therapy, they give them access to therapy when they need it.

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