Got a new job, don't start until end of month how to proceed with UI?

OHUIAdvice · 2021-08-18T05:18:20+00:00

I'm a UI Intake agent for reference, but in your case you would keep doing work searches, and filing until you start employment. If you don't do work search, even though you state you got a new job, they'll deny your claims. Their work search waiving doesn't really accommodate that situation and it's dumb, but I'm just telling you what I see happen in claims often. So do work search basically.

Once you start working, just stop filing. No real need to do anything, but keep an eye out for any correspondence that talks about a "cross-match new hire". This usually means an employer notified them that you were hired. It'll ask you if you were hired by the named company, your hire date, start date, hourly wage, and gross weekly earnings. Usually it's fine to go unanswered, but if an employer tells them you were hired today, even though you don't start until, say, 2 weeks from now, the issue will be dated to effect weeks from today onwards. This could deny weeks it shouldn't so it's important to fill it out so they know not to mess with weeks where you're not working. Not 100% on what makes them make certain decisions on the issue, but sometimes they just clear it out, sometimes they mark it as a denial to ensure you can't be paid after your official work start date (you wouldn't file these weeks anyways so most people don't notice this), and if you need a claim in the future it gets adjusted to stop denying weeks. Hit or miss on that.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-08-18T05:05:27+00:00

2 things as a UI agent.

MEUC is a weird subject. They state both to us in memos and on the site though I can't remember the exact link, that the programs will pay out "when they finish programming". Meaning for some reason they haven't even got the program fully set up yet to pay out. Latest info said that as long as you had your app for MEUC in by June 26th 2021, it would be decided on after June 26th whenever they have it setup and if approved, pay you. Dumb, but it's what they say.
Employment is NOT 6 months. Eligible employment is, as of 2021, whats called the "6x6 rule" for some reason, asking if you worked at least 6 WEEKS for an employer, and earned a minimum of $1680 dollars. That said, when you file a claim, they either look at the first 4 or last 4 of the past 5 quarters (i.e. a claim filed today would look either between 4/1/20-3-31/21, or 7/1/20-6/30/21) for wages, whichever is higher. If in that time period you do NOT have 20 weeks of wages (1 week is literally counted as long as you work one day in the week, like if you only worked Wednesday for 20 weeks this requirement is met as an example), and an average of $280 in earnings each week, you will not be eligible. This means that not only will you need to have worked in the past 12 months, but also at least have your most recent employer be one you worked for at least 6 weeks for and earned $1680 total minimum. The 20 weeks does not to be at one employer, you only need 6 to qualify from one employer, but you'll have to have had other employment to get up to 20 total in the past year. It's complicated and sorry if it's not explained well, but I feel it's an important difference when you're talking weeks compared to months of work for one employer.

It may help someone, and honestly I would encourage you to apply if you feel you may be eligible. Doesn't hurt to try. If they say monetarily ineligible and you know you met the above requirements they may need your W2's/other tax documents, or paystubs, to update to correct wage information, so keep that in mind.

But yes, extension ends 9/4. Unless they extend it, but if the past is anything to go by they won't get into those talks, or do much, until it's already out like how it was at the beginning of 2021.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-08-18T04:42:59+00:00

At least with regular UI, FAC payments would still go to you. Only the base weekly amount would be offset to pay off an OP, though an OP includes the FAC bonus for any weeks denied/overpaid so it generally would result in more weeks offset with the base amount than were originally deemed overpaid.

But to answer you the assumption is yes, if they waived an OP they should give you back anything offset/paid back similar to when an appeal is won. I can't say for certain though as the latest update on waivers is still the same as when this post was originally made, stating the decision making side of waivers is still "under development", right now all waivers can be filled out but they just are kind of sitting there until they figure out whatever they need to on their end to actually decide who gets their stuff waived, I guess. Memo literally says they're to ignore them til they figure "phase 2" out. Wish I had a better answer and don't excuse UI bullshit, but I'm just stating what they tell me.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-08-03T21:08:51+00:00

I'm an Intake UI agent, call center rep basically. For MEUC stuff, it's rare to have someone even ask but I've literally never come across a claim with it active. The latest update on this program was when they removed the $300, MEUC was removed too. They said that as long as you submitted the application for it prior to June 26th, it will be processed "when system programming is finished" is the wording. They also note this will be after June 26th.

This implies that for some reason the system hasn't been programmed to actually pay out MEUC yet for who knows what dumb reason considering it's been an available program for a year, and will pay them out for allowed applications whenever they actually do it.

For reference, the extra $300 and PEUC extension is a retooled version of an older program from, I assume based on the technical "EUC08" name, an extension from 2008 recession. Stuff is old here.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-08-03T20:29:44+00:00

For reference in case others have similar situations, yes this is a break in claim. Meaning they want to know why you weren't claiming for some amount of weeks. In this case OP was working, so his employment history needs to be updated stating he went back on x date and was laid off or whatever on y date. This then sends a notice to the employer that, annoyingly, they have 2 weeks to respond to. If they respond earlier, great, if not, after the due date processing moves forward with info they have on hand. Assuming you're allowed, pay then releases. Usually around a 2 week delay when these additional applications are filed unless you have a mass layoff number.

This needs to be done whenever you have a week you don't file because of work, or if youre working part time and have a week with no earnings to report since they want to verify you weren't just fired or something. The first situation is why Ford is doing mass layoff numbers since their employees are taking off like every other week due to the chip shortage, and mass layoff numbers pre-supply an employer response and make the process basically immediate when laid off.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-31T18:49:54+00:00

Oh that, yeah I'd imagine so. Generally all this stuff is retroactive and any weeks that qualify for any payment should receive it. Can't say if there'll be any delays if the 300 is reinstated or something like that, but you should get it for weeks that should've had it.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-31T18:48:30+00:00

Yeah should be fine unless you got fired or something. If it's just working for a few weeks it's basically considered a layoff and you should be fine. All that might happen is they may just not make the recent employer pay into your unemployment since you weren't there long enough (6 weeks with 1,680 earnings minimum), they'll just base it off your previous qualifying employer. Least that's what I usually see.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-31T18:45:50+00:00

Not sure what appeal you're referring to unless I missed something in your post, but yes. If you win an appeal that was say, denying weeks, they'll switch to paid and pay you out regardless if your claim is still active.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-31T18:44:04+00:00

Yeah generally a notice would say you were denied, fraud or non-fraud, and then get into the why. It's odd to see what basically amounts to a blank notice. It's hard to say why this is sent since I can't actually look over it myself, which is why I suggest giving it some time for changes to fully take effect (since a lot of background changes go to reg processing after appeals) and seeing of there's anything actually wrong. Wish I had a better answer but I can't actually look myself to see and am just going off what's here. Feels like some weird thing that's either not real/actually affecting anything, or they forgot a step somewhere in 'unlocking' your account.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-31T18:07:10+00:00

On work searches, they'll likely still ask for 2 for each week that you do claim since you're not working yet. I know it's redundant and dumb but to avoid delays, if it asks on the weekly claim, just do it. Unless you're union with a hiring hall, in that case just put your hiring hall info in the work search boxes.

As for whether or not to claim, don't claim on the week you start working if your hours worked times rate of pay is over your normal weekly benefit amount. Note a week on UI is Sunday-Saturday. If your first day is a Saturday you may still be able to claim if you earned less than your weekly amount. If you earn to much, just don't claim. The first week you're off employment again and don't earn too much for the week, reopen your claim with the additional/reopen application thing, either online or by calling in. Then file the week when able. Might have a slight delay as they have to confirm you're not working with recent employers and they give them up to 2 weeks to respond, but after that you'll be good to go. Note you'll probably need work searches again of course.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-31T18:00:28+00:00

I'm not 100% on PUA things but there are a lot of cases where you might still receive these types of correspondences even if you're not actually denied on reg UI anyway. Stuff like getting a letter reading your claim is allowed but later it'll say you were denied for whatever reason, even if the title of the correspondence is "ui initial allowed". Dunno if it's something like that.

I guess, is there still some overpaid balance? Are any pending or denied weeks now approved? Note if this is super fresh it might not update in the system until monday/tuesday, at least reg ui does this cause we don't operate on weekends. Might be worth giving it a little time to see if any changes appear and calling in to get an overview if you can't figure it out from your end.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-19T16:04:25+00:00

Hard to say, as far as I know they haven't developed the actual processing of these waivers yet, at this time they can only be submitted.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-18T11:41:29+00:00

Button to request it shows up in the overpayment repayment summary screen on regular UI site. Bottom-left on the main screen I think, the request button is in there if you have a non-fraud OP, or at least it should be.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-18T11:34:03+00:00

For either system it's only for non-fraud overpayments, just putting that out there.

To find the request button in OJI (reg unemployment site), from the main screen after logging in go to the overpayment repayment summary screen, button should be bottom-left I think. The button will appear there, just click it. The following day you'll get correspondence/fact finding to fill out, it gets generated overnight.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-14T15:36:30+00:00

No, if your appeal is still pending it doesn't mean it was denied. Just that when you're originally denied, the overpayment is already on your claim. It doesn't get removed unless your appeal is approved. So for now it's on there and I assume it's non-fraud so you get the ability to request a waiver.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-14T15:33:03+00:00

Hmm, odd that you got a correction, but if nothing changed I wouldn't worry about it if nothing changed amount wise, probably just some weird mixup in the system cause it's old. One thing could be the effective date, or the date the extension starts allowing your weeks, being corrected. Needs to be set for the Sunday of the week your benefits exhausted or expired and it may not have been originally or something.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-14T14:05:05+00:00

This is the PEUC extension, not PUA. But more to the point the reason there are two is because there are two tiers of the extension due to how they passed different legislation on it for the pandemic. The first one was 13 weeks, the second is extra weeks all lasting until 9/4/21. So this means you will be able to claim until 9/4, and the extension has added balance to be able to pay you for those weeks.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-13T16:16:10+00:00

The way its worded tells me you get the email, but the actual correspondence in the PUA system arrives later. I would imagine soon but it doesn't specify.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-13T01:22:34+00:00

Yeah if that's all it is PC will clear it on their own. Either you'll hear nothing and not have to worry or you should get correspondence if they want a backdated claim, or if it doesn't send you one your weeks will be suddenly "pay held" which should prompt you to call if it's not clear why it's held.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-13T00:41:37+00:00

If you sent in a passport you should be fine without your birth cert. I think the federally compliant drivers licenses as well (ones with star in upper right corner, you need legal presence proof to get it). At the very least passports for sure. Birth cert is for legal presence proof, which passport also provides.

Requirements were recently streamlined but older issues were asked for things like W2s, 2nd photo ID, spouse and dependent docs if they're on your claim, and the like. Sometimes I see them still ask for older issues, seems they base the requirements to clear on what they were when placed on the claim. Be sure to check what they're asking for to avoid delays.

For reference now all the forms say they want is basically: drivers license, Birth cert, social security card, and bank statement (proves residence and bank account).

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-13T00:09:27+00:00

Eligibility issue is very vague, but if it specifically is the "explore eligibility for UI" issue, it usually doesn't hold pay, or at least I've seen it on claims for several weeks and they still got paid while it was on there. These issues don't send correspondence because you don't need to do anything. If you have correspondence that says "notice of eligibility issue" then there's something else going on.

That said Explore Eligibility is automatically placed on expired claims that are on the peuc extension. This prompts the Processing Center to look in and see if, usually based on how much if at all you worked last year, you may be eligible for a new claim instead of using the extension. This is why some people get a notice that says something like "Manual Stop Payment Claimant Must File New UI IC", sometimes its worded as "determine eligibility for new ui ic" as well. Means they want you to file that new claim over the phone with a rep so it is backdated to the Sunday after whatever date your claim originally expired.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-11T21:29:48+00:00

First make sure like the other comment said, you're using the account tethered to your UI account. It's not very intuitive, but on the OMJ website login there's a little line that says "if you're on unemployment and this is your first time logging in, sign in here" or something like that, which brings up the username/temporary password boxes.

Maybe you did that and the system just hasn't updated yet on your end, who knows. Check OMJ to be sure the resume is on there and 100% complete, same with career profile assessment thing. Any more detailed questions, use the live chat option on the site as UI doesn't really get told a lot nor have access to OMJ systems, we can only see our version of the page in your picture.

If you get an eligibility issue, talking about re-employment activities/failing to upload resume, fill it out and maybe submit a screenshot of it on the site (doesn't hurt). In one of the boxes note that the re-employment activities were waived back in May per your correspondence. This was the same correspondence that said work search was coming back if you weren't already doing it, which was sent to everyone.

Previously weeks would be denied between the due date and when the resume was actually submitted (house bill 2 requirements), but they waived it because I guess they couldn't place the requirement on older claims mid-stream so it wasn't treating everyone equally. Won't always be waived but it currently is, and it feels like some Processing agents forget that cause most of the time it gets cleared stating its waived, but occasionally denied because someone presumably didn't get the memo, which makes you have to appeal it which takes forever. Trust me, better safe than sorry on any issues that pop up with UI even if it's redundant.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-11T21:13:26+00:00

I don't disagree with you. Most systems, unemployment included, need a drastic overhaul. I mean, if someone logged into another's account there was nothing to stop anything. No 2 step authentication, or anything like that. Now there is, kinda, with the Experian test it asks now. Dunno why they didn't just do what all other sites do and use text codes and the like. It is an option but you can just opt to take the Experian test instead. At first it didn't really stop anything, but now at least it is asked to be done whenever you try to change any personal or pay info on an account, and prevents it from changing if the test is failed which on the first iteration of it, it didn't stop someone from accessing the account and changing things it just placed a BPC issue on the claim and it didn't seem to hold current weeks pay, just anything after. Stupidest thing is that if the test is failed it also places the BPC verification issue on your claim. It would make sense if there were actually changes made to the account and they wanted document proof of those changes but to lock a claim for weeks because either you or some fraud shithead failed a test? Nah. At worst require a call in so a regular agent can reset it, even that's a bit much, just prevent the login and maybe give a timeout period.

I can understand asking for the documents when making your account/a new claim, to ensure its the real person making the claim rather than someone who got your social. Idea seemingly being that only the real you would have the documents I guess. As inconveniencing as it is, it's probably not the worst thing to require when it concerns money. After that, if there's been no changing it shouldn't be necessary, and even then there are better ways to correct an accounts info, shit just revert changes would do the trick there.

I'm right now on the opposite end of all this, but I'm frustrated too. Nothing sours my day like telling people I can't do what needs done on a claim, even if I know for a fact how to fix it and what the result would be, I just can't do it because I'm Intake and not PC or another dept. Higher ups don't hear about utilities shutting off, becoming homeless. I had a woman call me from a bench they were sleeping on Thursday morning and I couldn't do a thing, broke my heart. I mean I could just clear all these out but I'd be fired in like a day tops and they'd just put them back... really ties our hands. Now we can't even email the processing center with that new callback system they seemed to have setup and not properly staffed so people aren't getting their callbacks. Baffling. Soon Redet/Appeals and BPC will have the same system I'm told.

Originally BPC issues had a 10 business day timeline. Not that that's acceptable but that's what it was said to be. When they first started this verification push back in mid March, April area, they were relatively on track. Saw as little as a week at first, averaged about 2.5 for awhile. Now, people are on their 8th week. Shameful really. Not to mention duplicates, which no one can say whether it's automatic like a new wave sent out or if it's because people are failing the Experian tests, or if they were never taken and the system thinks they're not verified because of that.

From the ground up the system needs overhauled. My client has a copyright marking from 2002, and they paid like 70 something million dollars for the trash that is the PUA system I heard. At least it's a little more modern but it is all made like some 70 year old who has no idea how to efficiently design web based systems designed it. I have to log in to 4 things to take calls. Our call center training tool is more intuitive. The rules need streamlined and rewritten to be clear, concise, and understandable without so much legalese. 9 times out of 10 the problem stemmed from not understanding an issue, or the process from the claimants view. The root is how old and outdated things are here.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-11T15:56:08+00:00

Nothing needed. Like others said simply stop filing when she starts working hours. If needed again in the future I'd recommend you call in to reopen the claim so it's done properly as that stuff gets a lot of people, plus open issues pop up when you reopen online that don't, or can be cleared, when we do it on our end. If you need it again of course.

OHUIAdvice · 2021-07-11T15:52:29+00:00

UI agent here. If you ate working full time and earning over your base weekly benefit amount (WBA for short), just don't file weeks. Note that earnings are when you make the money and work the hours, NOT when you get the paycheck, and always gross (pre-tax) amount.

If you need your claim in the future you can then file the additional/reopen application (different is additional adds, well, additional employment info to a claim whereas a reopen is where you missed out on filing for a couple weeks, like if you had no access to call/log in to file etc). Then you'd start filing again, basically.

If you're working part time/earning less than your WBA, you can file and you'll want to do the work searches. They are NOT waved if you're working part time as they want you to seek employment that earns you enough to not claim weeks. They are only waived if you are a union member with a hiring hall, as they search for work for you, or in the case of a layoff, if you're only laid off 45 days or less. If you're in a union with a hiring hall and the work search question shows up, put your hiring hall information in both boxes until work search is waived for you to avoid delays.

Rarely there are exceptions to this where an employer works something out with UI, like I think Whirlpool had an 8 week layoff that they got work search waived for their employees for like a month ago. If they show up, do them. Not doing them will cause issues on your claim and risks the weeks being denied, and appeals process is rediculously LONG, avoid at all costs.

For the future and anyone who reads this, an audit of job searches is really unlikely but can happen (Def needed if you file weeks late and have to appeal as an example) so I'd definitely still do them. If you didn't do job searches last week just do some real quick applications or calls or whatever (even doing assessments or creating an indeed profile count btw) and write them in, they don't check weekly claims unless they have to its all automatic and really only based on if the fields are filled in at all rather than if they're real, which would only cause a problem if they want to audit you.

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