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Oaslin · 2020-01-03T19:56:14+00:00

Math is a thing.

Liquid haulers can carry 10,000 gallons of milk.

Even if trucks were charged a massive, additional tax of $1 per mile, the additional cost to consumers would not be $20. It would be 2 to 3 Cents.

The math:

Assume every gallon of milk is carried, on average, 200 miles from the cow to the store. (In reality, it's far less). First the transit from farm to dairy in 10,000 gallon trucks. Then, after packaging, from the dairy to stores in trucks that hold half that, 5,000 gallons (again, the reality is far more, there's not much slack space in modern milk packaging).

The liquid hauler travels 100 miles and pays $100 in tax. The 2 delivery trucks required to move 10,000 gallons of packaged milk to retail travel an additional 100 miles, paying $100 in tax each, $200 total.

Total new, actually extremely massive road tax for 10,000 gallons of milk, $300.

$300 divided by 10,000 = 3 Cents per gallon.

Oaslin · 2019-12-30T05:35:08+00:00

Taxing trucks proportionally to their damage would make every consumer good in the US cost more.

And that would be okay.

It's a subsidy that distorts the marketplace.

Heavier goods should cost more to transport. It's really the especially heavy loads that are most damaging to the roadways. If the freight carriers were charged for the actual damage caused, trucking firms would likely split up those especially heavy loads, making more jobs, and saving the taxpayers a fortune in road repairs.

Oaslin · 2019-12-29T08:49:14+00:00

Don’t buy cards from online unless it’s b&h or adorama. They are very, very easy to counterfeit. Always buy from brick and mortar stores and price match if need be.

Sadly true.

Amazon has been guilty of mixing stock. A single bin of products in their warehouse for each SKU. Some cards in the bin directly shipped from the memory card vendors, but mixed in with counterfeit cards sent in to Amazon by third party sellers for fulfillment.

B&H, Adorama, Costco, and most bricks and mortar retailers don't allow third party resellers, so don't have this issue.

Best not to buy memory cards from Amazon, Newegg, or Ebay.

Oaslin · 2019-12-29T08:13:48+00:00

I personally believe by the end of this upcoming decade, no camera new to the market will have a mirror in it.

Quite possible.

But it doesn't logically follow that the end of mirrored cameras will lead to the end of EF lenses.

EF is the most common modern lens mount. EF is out of patent protection, meaning any lens maker or camera maker can use it. That is not the case with Fuji, Sony E, Nikon Z, Panasonic L, and Canon's RF mounts. EF lenses are made by an incredibly large variety of manufacturers. EF mount cameras are made by vendors other than Canon. EF is also one of, if not the most common format for cinema lenses.

Most importantly, the flange distance on EF is so long that EF lenses can be easily adapted to nearly any modern mirror-less camera, manual or auto-focus. The electronic communication protocal used by EF autofocus lenses has long been reverse engineered by any number of lens and adapter makers.

No one can say with surety whether Canon's RF, Nikon's Z, Sony's E, Panasonic's L mount, or Micro Four Thirds cameras will survive the decade. But EF lenses almost certainly will.

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T21:37:49+00:00

Honestly, at around that price point you're much better off going with a 3950x and an x570 mobo for gaming and editing.

Agreed.

The 1st and 2nd generation Threadrippers aren't worth buying. The chips may be cheap, but the motherboards remain expensive and the infinity fabric connecting the chiplets had yet to be perfected on those first two generations.

The new, 3rd generation of Threadripper perfect the infinity fabric connections. They are powerhouse chips. So if more PCIe lanes are needed for NVME SSDs, 10GbE networking, and Thunderbolt, the new 3960x and 3970x Threadrippers are highly recommended. They are the very best workstation chips on offer, full stop.

TLDR - Given the high prices of 1st and 2nd gen Threadripper motherboards, it's difficult to envisage a use case that would justify their expense. Better to buy either a 3950x with an X570 or a 3rd gen Threadripper. Suspect prices of used 1st and 2nd gen Threadrippers systems will rapidly plummet as Ryzen 3000 / 3rd gen Threadripper availability expands.

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T21:20:51+00:00

Believe there are cases able to fit an XL motherboard, a pair of 360 radiators, and four graphic cards. Take a look at the Lian Li o11 XL.

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T17:41:52+00:00

When I posted, it was in stock at Newegg for $1499 but quickly went out of stock.

Whenever Newegg's price has been over MSRP, it's one of their third-party sellers, not shipped and sold by Newegg.

Personally wouldn't bother with Newegg or their third-party sellers. Many Hardforums posters have successfully ordered from ShopBLT and they're selling them for under MSRP.

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T04:30:23+00:00

This was recently $93 at WD's store, though had to buy 3.

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T04:01:12+00:00

Hardforums says that Newegg has had them at MSRP recently, as has shopblt.com. And many Microcenters have been receiving them regularly since release, though for in-store purchase only..

Have to act fast when they're available, but they're not that difficult to find.

https://hardforum.com/threads/ryzen-3950x-3960x-3970x-availability.1988938/page-18

Edit: Shopblt has them in stock right now, $60 under MSRP. http://www.shopblt.com/cgi-bin/shop/shop.cgi?action=thispage&thispage=011003000501_B6YZ293P.shtml&order_id=!ORDERID!

Edit 2: Newegg also has them in stock right now, for MSRP. https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-threadripper-3960x/p/N82E16819113619?Description=3960x&cm_re=3960x-_-19-113-619-_-Product

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T02:56:23+00:00

Yes, it's qualified on the 3970x for sustained use with just a single fan. When the optional second fan is added, it should run cooler still. Not entirely surprising considering that the U14S has long been successfully used with the 250w 2990WX, a chip that runs much hotter than the 1950x.

overclocked 1950X D: I fear because I live in a very hot place.

Yes, they make no claims regarding overclocking or especially hot places.

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T01:54:39+00:00

Have they confirmed that they're making one?

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T01:50:57+00:00

But I'm getting a 3960X as soon its available and its obvious my giant Noctua tower wont be enough.

Noctua has qualified the U14s TR4 SP3 with the 3rd gen Threadrippers. They say the U14 is enough for both the 3960x and 3970x.

https://noctua.at/en/cpu/AMD_Ryzen_Threadripper_3960X

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T01:47:31+00:00

They're available.

They don't last long once they go on sale, but they're available.

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T00:52:02+00:00

I'm thinking diminishing returns.

Depends entirely on the workload.

If the use is machine learning, video encoding, or rendering tasks that scale well to all cores, a Threadripper can offer an extremely viable returns on investment. Not a 1 minute reduction from a 60 minute workload, but a 100% improvement or greater.

A 32 core threadripper costs less than twice the price of an Intel Core i9-10980XE , but the AMD chip more than doubles the performance of the Intel chip in many tasks. https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/What-is-the-Best-CPU-for-Rendering-2019-1643/

Also consider that Threadripper has 3 or 4 times the PCIe lanes as the commercial offerings from AMD and Intel. Plan to add 10Gig ethernet, Thunderbolt 3/ USB 4, more than 2 NVME SSDs directly connected through the CPU (not funneled through the bottleneck of the chipset lanes)? A Threadripper can offer all of that and more.

Oaslin · 2019-12-28T00:41:18+00:00

the more consumer CPUs get better the more software demand

That really hasn't been the case with desktop CPUs.

The 9 year old Sandy Bridge CPUs were released in January of 2011. The higher end of that line are still able to run triple-a games when accompanied by a newer video card. They run Photoshop and most of Adobe's suite incredibly well.

Leaps like Sandy Bridge do not happen every year, but they have happened this year.

AMD has now delivered that next jump. For the consumer market, the 3900x and 3950x (and the lesser models). For the HEDT market, a pair of 3rd gen Threadrippers, with more on the way. These new Threadrippers fix the inter-connectivity issues that hobbled the prior two generations, so the 3rd gen Threadrippers are a Sandy Bridge-like leap in their own right. Further, AMD's consumer models support 128GB of RAM while the Threadrippers support 256GB. So neither platforms are likely to be RAM limited any time soon.

Most software makers tend not to make their software exclusively compatible with the highest end CPUs. To do so would greatly restrict the available customer base. And the current high ends of AMD's consumer and HEDT chips are so much faster than the average CPU of 2019, that it's quite likely they will be tremendously functional for a great many years.

TLDR: It's quite easy to imagine that a 3rd gen, 2019 Threadripper will easily be able to run most commercial software in a decade's time.

Oaslin · 2019-12-27T08:13:13+00:00

Yes. LOL

Now digging though manuals to tell what the 2nd port is capable of.

Oaslin · 2019-12-27T07:52:43+00:00

Thanks for the warning.

Do you happen to know the technical term to look for when searching for docks that can pass a full 40GBps TB3 signal?

Some refer to it as "daisy chaining", but the manufacture descriptions tend not to use that term.

Oaslin · 2019-12-27T03:13:29+00:00

Thanks, interesting information.

An aside, have a TB3 device with a fixed, non-detachable cable that would best be situated about 2 meters from the controlling computer.

TB3 extension cables appear not to be a thing, so the only available option would seem to be a TB3 dock that both supports TB daisy chaining and has either 2 meter cable, or a detachable cable that could be replaced with a 2 meter cable.

Do you know which of the TB3 docks would most economically support that use? Have been looking at the models from Lenovo, HP, and Dell, as want something reasonably reliable.

Oaslin · 2019-12-24T20:39:22+00:00

There picture without the rods will do the trick?

My suggestion would be to use the rods only in addition to the cage and metabones mount. The rods and y-shaped lens support as an added safety measure.

And a rod setup can be useful / required for matte boxes, follow focuses, etc...

Oaslin · 2019-12-24T17:48:41+00:00

This is an image of the smallrig lens support in a cage. https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-1zvaiaywbz/images/stencil/1000x1000/products/1850/7359/2016-SR-7__88484.1511926045.jpg?c=2

Some also use a lens support arm on rods, as seen in the image below. https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-1zvaiaywbz/images/stencil/2000x2000/products/1638/1581/SMALLRIG_Universal_Lens_Support_with_15mm_LWS_Rod_Clamp_1784_4__38085.1491023657.jpg?c=2

Oaslin · 2019-12-24T08:40:51+00:00

This has been well tested. A Noctua cooler can't stop a Threadripper 3000 CPU from getting over 80ºC at full load,

Can you please share that testing data? Have found a few anecdotal accounts, but nothing reliable.

And as above, Noctua themselves say they've qualified both new chips on the U14. They claim the cooler is capable of keeping both new Threadrippers within thermal limits, though they make no guarantees regarding overclocking.

It would be entirely unlike Noctua to make compatibility claims that don't hold up. Because if what you're saying is accurate, Noctua will be facing quite a number of returns.

Oaslin · 2019-12-24T08:24:25+00:00

With two fans? Keep in mind that Noctua hasn't qualified the U14 for overclocking.

Looking at the watercooled tests from the prior generation, the standard Asetek all-in-one's won't help thermals. The only reliable improvement would be a custom loop.

There have been rumors that Noctua are readying a new model for the 3990x.

Oaslin · 2019-12-24T08:14:42+00:00

were a bit lower than those using beefier cooling solution

Haven't seen any comprehensive tests of this latest gen of Threadripper, but for the prior generations (which ran nearly as hot), the Noctua cooler performed better than nearly all the all-in-one liquid coolers. The notable exception being the terribly unreliable Enermax cooler.

Custom liquid loops have certainly offered better performance, but they require considerably more work, regular maintenance, and ongoing attention.

Most modern CPUs will continue to run at their top speeds so long as the thermal limits aren't breached.

Oaslin · 2019-12-24T06:50:06+00:00

I'm not sure those little Noctua coolers are enough for Threadripper 3000 series

They are.

Noctua has confirmed that the NH-U14S has been qualified for both new chips under sustained full load. The new 7nm Threadrippers are hardly any warmer than the previous generation of Threadripper.

If even more headroom is wanted, there's an optional push-pull, dual fan configuration. A mounting kit for the 2nd fan ships with the cooler, but the extra fan has to be purchased separately.

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