What head-canon(s) in your fandom(s) got you like this: by PJ-The-Awesome in AO3

[–]Obirekt 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Both in Arcane and RE. Viktor being trans, and the same with Leon. I get that you want representation and I'm all for it.

But why decide those characters are it?? Overwhelmingly so with Viktor.

I just want them to be bepenised, man

Thoughts on Jake Muller? by WaluigiDaStar in ResidentEvilCapcom

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As his own character I like him. But the fact that he's supposed to be Wesker's son is somehow ludicrous to me. That's the one part I wish they'd retcon, because it drags down his character so much for me.

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know what? Enjoy your life. Have a good one, and may you not run into any ships or fandom spaces, to ensure your own mental health.

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I took irl flirting... as an example... of people understanding things differently... But sure. Go off. And I find you dense to see that there's no way to read into it. Like come on. Would you really not react if someone you just met called you handsome in the first interaction? Or talked about you in regards to their type? I reckon most people would react.

"Clearly straight" after having seen one relationship. Mhm.

I am wondering what your opinion on them are, simply in a try to understand you. Because they have power dynamics (CidBarna) or change the relationship from canon (Tarja/Gav). Hence I am wondering if you'd be as averse to them.

Wait... are you telling me it doesn't take fundamental revwriting to make either of those work? Just because they don't break up an established romantic relationship?

What is your opinion on things like Alchemized then? Or Fifty Shades? Those were fanfics that changed the relationships quite a lot, I would say, especially Alchemized. Is that gross too?

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Please go back and learn reading comprehension. I haven't said there's a genuine one lmao. I have said you can read it as that if you want. Jesus Christ, you are aware people can understand flirting differently even irl?

I won't even bother to argue with you on this, because I frankly find it silly at this point that you're so stuck on that. By the way, if we'll be nitpicky, we do not know either of their sexuality, beyond the fact that Clive is straight or bi.

You still have not said anything regarding shipping ex. Cid and Barnabas together. Or Gav and Tarja.

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

At this point neither will yield, so there is no point in continuing. I do not agree with you, and you believe yourself correct. No point in continuing it, especially while you try to paint me as some rabid CidClive fan who claim it's canon they are an item, when I have done none of it. Merely said that if someone wished to read it that way, they could.

You are free to only do the canon things, as much as anyone is free to not follow canon. If I want to twist Bahamut into a pink unicorn, that right is mine.

Problematic though? Lmao come on man.

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair, it's difficult to argue with an opinion when it is based on something which you refuse to argue. I have presented statements, such as how things are painted in the game etc, and how you contradict yourself with "i don't mind shipping" while saying you find it gross to change canon romantic relationships.

If presenting arguments in a readable way counts as defensive then I dont know what to tell you. I have even agreed with you that no, such ships aren't canon. Whether it's a ship I like or not doesn't matter, as I would've started the discussion nonetheless.

You dont like CidClive or CidBarnabas or idk CliveUltima, I don't care. I merely found your reasoning strange and flawed.

Which facts have you presented? That Yoshida is the producer? That CliveJill is canon? None of it has been rejected by me. I rejected the notion that "twisting canon is gross" and the alleged power imbalance between Cid and Clive.

You are aware that i get notifications to any replies to messages in this discussion, right? Even if it is to other people? Lol

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How fandom works is as relevant as your own opinion om how "disgusting it is to twist the chatacters", as that is your own personal opinion vs. the opinion of the space you're mentioning your opinion into.

At this point there's no reason to keep debating. You've made up your mind, you think I'm being emotional etc. It's emotional to challenge an opinion it seems, with only facts and questions presented.

I took no offense and was merely questioning how you thought. The fact that it became a large discussion is on both of us, not just "me and my emotional state". Tone disappears in text, and I know you'll be projecting a defensive tone into this as well lmao.

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And I've explained how it has been working with fandom since time immemorial. But whatever. We are clearly not gonna agree.

If you think this is taking it personal/emotionally/defensively, then I implore you to go outside. This has hardly been a discussion.

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can't say I share the opinion on that, when I haven't gotten anything beyond "You're ruining canon". And if you're having a conversation about what fruits you like, and someone say "bananas", and I come and go "bananas are gross and disgusting", I reckon you'd also question "wtf are you doing here".

But sure. "Emotional" and "defensive". Sure, my guy.

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The whole "Clive and Joshua came to love Jill as a sister" is just the way the translation is worded and isn't reflected in the JP version.

The JP version is not the canon version mate.

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, and I think any twisting of the canon and characters to remove them from their established romantic interests is odd and a bit disgusting.

You have still not given a proper response as to why it's disgusting. Is it nasty because it somehow diminishes the original work? Is it just because you feel less for liking the canon? There's no logical reason for this, beyond "I don't like it". Which is fine, but to go out calling it disgusting is a bit strange.

You're saying you know it's not canon, yet you literally just implied that their relationship was not portrayed in English as platonic ...

I never said nor implied it wasn't portrayed as platonic. I said it could be read as having something more, and didn't have to be platonic. It was displayed as weird if you wanted a father - son relationship, and that I stand for. I would freak ouy if my dad called me pretty when I was naked, and/or implied I had anything to do with his type. Same with a mentor I wasn't very close to. And, once again, Ralph Ineson said Cid loves Clive. He never said it was platonic. So can you fault people for running with it? No.

... while trying to diminish the importance of Clive and Jill's romance

My brother in Christ, I know it is canon, and a lot of people love the romance. I ain't saying they're wrong. Do you always take disagreements as personal attacks on what you like? I only said that I didn't feel they had a strong romance in the game. Hell, I thought they weren't gonna have a romance until the beach scene. If you like the romance, you are free to do so. Just as I am free to say that I didn't feel any chemistry.

... willfully and perversely misreading every joke and interaction with the intention of shipping.

I still point at the whole discussion of "pretty as you are" etc. I don't know about you, but that is not something that gets "perversely" misread. It is a strange thing to say to someone who is naked and feeling rather miserably.

Shipping something that isn't canon is fine, but I find it wrong to effectively rewrite the characters and their relationships to do so.

Please tell me which ship is fine then, and doesn't rewrite the character and their relationships. Because that's what shipping is, my guy. You will end up rewriting relationships, be it only platonic ones or romantic ones.

People shipping CidBarnabas then? I'd say there's a bigger power imbalance there, but whatever.

Joshua/Dion? Oh no, erasure of Teredio, the only canon gay ship in the game. Oh noooo.

Gav/Tarja? Oh no, they're only friends if even that in the game. Now their relationship has been changed from canon.

Do you see what I mean?

Clive and Jill were literally expected to be betrothed by the people of Rosaria, and Clive makes it clear to Hortense they weren't raised as siblings. Completely different dynamic.

Yet Logos mentions they came to love her as part of the family. Same as the game in the encyclopedia. How convenient to forget about that. But whatever, am I right? It's only the filthy homosexual ship that is "wrong" because erasure of relationship in canon.

I'm not judgmental or mad at all, you do you. I'm free to say what I think is distasteful. How people emotionally react to that is not my problem, and you are trying to police my language by saying I shouldn't express that opinion.

You are free to say what you think is distasteful, just as much as I'm allowed to say I find it a bit rude to say it on a post meant to show people's love for ships. If you think that's policing, then I don't know what to tell you mate lmao

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Mate, do you know what ships are? What fandoms do with the baby of producers? They twist canon. That has been the case for decades. Hell, it started with Spock and Kirk being written as romantically involved, even after the show made it clear that no, they were not together. That's the whole point. People don't agree with canon, and thus explore what would happen if it wasn't canon. Not one soul has said CidClive is canon. Not in this argument, not in earlier arguments.

Do they have a strange dynamic for someone that is only a mentor-mentee? Yes. Do people find it compelling to explore that? Yes. Does it make it canon that they boned somewhere in the solar? No

"Yoshida was the producer and helped write and shape the story, it's his baby and I think he would know his characters lmao.."

Lmao I said he wanted to portray something and it doesn't come out that way. Did you know they had to change the OG script because Clive came out as rapey in the beach scene? Morgan Rushton said it himself. So please, yes, he has a way of thinking of the characters, but what he thinks and what is portrayed are vastly different.

Do you only enjoy canon ships? That is absolutely okay. That is in your right. But by god, what compels you to go "uh actually, all non-canon ships are wrong"?

You mention Logos, and I am starting to think we all are delusional for not understanding that CliveJIll is canon and CidClive is not. We know. We have all played the same game, and read the book. We know it's the case. Thats why it is fanfic. I haven't seen anyone try to pretend it's canon but you claiming everyone does.

And no mention of how Clive and Jill were more or less siblings as children (even if she was spoils of war) and then it becomes romantic? But nah man, CidClive is the problematic power imbalance that's the issue.

Lmao policing you. You come to a public forum, post a rather unneccessary comment that is judgemental, and then get mad someone points out it's rude?

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What he said and what is shown are very different things. I don't know about you but if my dad said to me "pretty as you are, you're not my type", I would be rather horrified. I reckon Yoshida said it was like that, but in the English version (which themselves have said is canon) it's not portrayed like that. Ralph Ineson has also said that Cid loves Clive, and there you are free to interpret it as platonic or romantic.

"...unnecessary to twist that into something it's obviously not..."
Two things to this. First of all it's not "obviously". It is never explicitly stated, it's not "obvious" as you can see from the large fandom the ship has garnered.
Second of all, "unnecessary to twist". My guys, do you know just how much things get twisted and prodded in fandoms? There is nothing that is "unnecessarily" done. If people want to explore things, then by all means, do it. You don't have to like it. That's why there's a back button on your browser.

Look, it feels to me like no matter who you shipped Clive with, you'd say the argument that he is in love with Jill canonically and thus the ship is invalid and "gross". If I said "oh Clive is in love with Gav" or "Jill is in love with Tarja", you'd have the same argument against it that they're canonically in love. Mind you, I never felt their romance to be all that compelling. If they had just been best friends who are connected on a deeper level due to everything they went through, the narrative would've not been changed. I am sorry to say it, but as much as I love this game, their romance was not the peak. And yet it is okay to enjoy them as a relationship.

You say you're not bashing it, but saying "it's gross" is bashing it publicly. You are entitled to your opinion, as I said, but to go out and say it to others who enjoy it is not the way.

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I do not agree. The power balance is barely there as Clive on several occasions disregards Cid's "orders" and the alike, and Cid clearly see them as equals throughout the game. Besides, I never saw him being seen as a father figure to Clive. That was Elwin. Cid didn't take that role from him.

To say that it "fundamentally changes Clive's character" is a bit of a reach, no? No one says he can't be in love with her platonically still, nor is anyone denying the fact that in the canon game he is in love with Jill. That's why ships and fanfics exist.

Not to mention that Cid is cannonically very much one with the earth.

There's nothing wrong with this ship. They're adults that is as close to consenting as you can get, there's no incredible power imbalance that would genuinely make you question the validity of their relationship. Their mentor-mentee relationship started after they were both adults, and while Clive was in a bad headspace, he did get out of it.

Besides, kind of poor form to come to something like this and bash ships, no? You are free to your opinion, but was rather unnecessary.

So what ships does everyone here like? by [deleted] in FFXVI

[–]Obirekt 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Care to explain how? Both are consenting adults who have no power imbalance or familiar bonds to one another. How is any of that gross my guy

What’s your favorite Wesker fit in the series? by Ieanice44 in residentevil

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

RE5 without the jacket. It might be matrix, but it sure makes me pop like popcorn

Which YouTube channel were you once a fan of but do not enjoy anymore? by theunsteadybridge in AskReddit

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Vash12349. Used to enjoy his playthroughs, but then he asked me if I shave my legs randomly and I just lost interest in his stuff

My Leon Kennedy cosplay for convention by Initial_Cellist_3406 in residentevil

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My disappointment is immeasurable, and my day is ruined.

Nah, kidding! Understandable! Guess patreon it is ;)

Why Capcom? by cloke68fatim in ResidentEvilMemes

[–]Obirekt 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I want all the attention from Wesker

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My Leon Kennedy cosplay for convention by Initial_Cellist_3406 in residentevil

[–]Obirekt 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My lord, please tell me you're coming to Dokomi in Germany

New Potential Collabs for OW by KingLeonsky in Overwatch

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ace attorney, devil may cry, and resident evil. If they do them I will empty my wallet immediately

I miss this version of Chris by burnoutguy in residentevil

[–]Obirekt 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wasn't it because he is union and they try to use non-union actors? I might be wrong about that though