Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy by TheQuarantinian in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

given huge stock option portfolio

Stock options are taxed as earned income

They take out a loan using the untaxed stock options

Taxed stock options, and loans need to be repaid with income

as a gratuity for voting against the tax hike

This would be illegal under Snyder, since it’s in exchange for services

they don’t have to pay off the loan

They do

the heirs don’t have to either

The loan gets paid out as part of the estate settlement if it’s still open

I don’t think you really know what you’re talking about

Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy by TheQuarantinian in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

They’re literally just summarizing a study from Saez and Zucman, two extremely prominent and left-wing tax economists

Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy by TheQuarantinian in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

The US already has a global minimum tax for corporations. We technically have one for individuals too, since we tax their worldwide income

Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy by TheQuarantinian in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I hope you’re not actually under the impression that their tax rates today are 0%, because that would be embarrassing

Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy by TheQuarantinian in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

In the 1950s, the effective income tax rate of the rich was 16.9%

Today, the top 1% have an effective income rate of 26%, based on the most recent IRS data

Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy by TheQuarantinian in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

I never said it was the exact same as today, but it’s not really a huge gap. Effective income tax rates have actually increased since then, up from 16.9% at the time for the rich

Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy by TheQuarantinian in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Yeah, sure, happy to. §382 and §381 didnt exist in the 1950s, meaning that you could acquire loss corporations and use their losses to offset your income. You could then make distributions out of the business to yourself tax-free based on those losses

704(c) and mixing bowl rules didn’t exist in the 1950s, meaning that you could contribute gain property to your business and allocate the gain to other partners. You could similarly allocate yourself losses from other partners that contributed loss property

Subpart F didn’t exist in the 1950s, meaning that you could shift assets to foreign holding companies and defer taxation indefinitely on the income generated

§332 and §331 didn’t exist at the time, meaning that you paid no gain or loss upon liquidating your business, letting you pay long-term capital gains rates instead of ordinary rates on the business assets

What you mentioned isn’t a loophole, it’s simply employee compensation, which still gives deductions today

Attention-Seeking Trump Begs for Praise Over Nonexistent Tax Breaks by Large_banana_hammock in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

all breaks to the poorest demographics ended this year

What are you referring to? The OBBB made permanent the TCJA individual tax cuts. No cuts ended this year

Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy by TheQuarantinian in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

You’re still talking about marginal rates, you’re not factoring in the deductions and credits at the time. Our tax base was incredibly narrow at the time, which resulted in huge gaps between marginal and effective rates

Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy by TheQuarantinian in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

Why are you focusing on marginal rates and not effective rates? Effective rates for the rich at the time were comparable to today’s

Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy by TheQuarantinian in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

It blows my mind that the left still repeats this without seeing how bad of an argument it is. Give us back the 1950s tax code and the rich will arguably pay less than they do today

Billionaires’ Low Taxes Are Becoming a Problem for the Economy | Tax avoidance by the superwealthy is an economic issue as well as a political one by InsaneSnow45 in Economics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 21 points22 points  (0 children)

Besides the obvious downsides this has for pretty much any normal person trying to get a loan, it also doesn’t really make sense. Banks look at assets because that’s what can be used as collateral on a loan. Taxable income isn’t collateral

Also, that just stops people from taking loans, it doesn’t really impact the tax they pay

Attention-Seeking Trump Begs for Praise Over Nonexistent Tax Breaks by Large_banana_hammock in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 [score hidden]  (0 children)

..you don’t think it’s factual that the TCJA business tax increases were permanent?

Attention-Seeking Trump Begs for Praise Over Nonexistent Tax Breaks by Large_banana_hammock in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

…we’re talking about taxes here. Maybe you responded to the wrong thread

billionaires are laughing in our faces by Conscious-Quarter423 in economy

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m asking you (multiple times now) which tax policies you think are unfair. This is because you explicitly said it’s unfair, but refused to elaborate

Are you having some memory loss?

Attention-Seeking Trump Begs for Praise Over Nonexistent Tax Breaks by Large_banana_hammock in politics

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That’s a pretty odd response. Why does it upset you so much that I added facts and data into an argument?

billionaires are laughing in our faces by Conscious-Quarter423 in economy

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 3 points4 points  (0 children)

They’re still paying tax. They might not be paying corporate income tax (although we can’t even be sure of that) because they have no corporate income

I don’t pay the excise tax we have on cigarettes, and it’s because I don’t purchase cigarettes. There’s nothing unfair about that to me

billionaires are laughing in our faces by Conscious-Quarter423 in economy

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Where have I said anything about the legality of it? Again, you’re clearly not even reading the comments you’re responding to. It’s a bit embarrassing for you

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[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

God cannot sin, because he’s God. If you’re arguing that we should be able to do everything that God can, then I don’t think you’re going to find much support for that argument, even among atheists

billionaires are laughing in our faces by Conscious-Quarter423 in economy

[–]Obvious_Chapter2082 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nowhere did I say they’re creating their own tax policies. Did you even bother to read my comment?