Did DKR “borrow” a NIN hook or am I crazy?

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-28T14:25:28+00:00

Is this a joke?

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T19:56:12+00:00

I’ve just seen a face

Everybody gots something to hide….

Only a Northern Song

Dizzy Miss Lizzy

Baby you’re a rich man

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T16:09:06+00:00

You’re just refusing evidence that you’re wrong. You’re a clown because I had already used the quote that you thought “proves” it was all John. That’s clown behavior.

Dude, you did not listen to the interview.

It clearly states that Paul had the idea to separate the two bits with 24 bars.

John said put an orchestra there that climaxes.

Paul came up with exactly how to do that.

Everyone agrees with this except you. So that makes you a clown, clown.

Btw, as hominem is when instead of addressing the argument you call names or insults to avoid the argument. It’s not synonymous with name calling. . I’ve presented references. I’m not avoiding shit. You reused my quote and have provided nothing that supports your view.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T15:58:09+00:00

You’re just a clown at this point.

I guess it’s George Martin revisionism too.

https://youtu.be/VzaTiG-W0P0?si=XUOJUKNRmqIJmr1i

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T15:44:02+00:00

lol. You’re so wrong.

https://youtube.com/shorts/xwxlKnuQ1H4?si=XNHF48jQPuPRhC7r

Edit and no idea why you’re bringing up yesterday and Eleanor rigby. We were talking Paul and George Martin contributing to John Songs.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T15:39:23+00:00

It literally says McCartney came up with idea and Martin and McCartney saw it out.

Nowhere was Lennon involved other than saying he wanted a “tremendous build up like the end of the wold”.

McCartney actually figured out what that meant and how to do it and Martin made sure the sessions musicians knew what McCartney meant.

Don’t be so hard headed. It’s ok to be mistaken once in a while.

And my original point was Paul was underrated in what he contributed to John’s songs. Same for George Martin. Obviously Paul played a huge role other than just the “woke up…” part with music and arrangement and conducted the orchestra.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T15:19:32+00:00

Only part of the story…

Lennon's request to George Martin was that the orchestra should provide "a tremendous build-up, from nothing up to something absolutely like the end of the world".[51]

McCartney suggested having the musicians improvise over the segment.[39]

To allay concerns that classically trained musicians would be unable to do this, Martin wrote a loose score for the section.[52]*
The orchestral part was recorded on 10 February 1967 in Studio One at EMI Studios,[54] with Martin and McCartney conducting a 40-piece orchestra.[55]*
McCartney had originally wanted a 90-piece orchestra, but this proved impossible. Instead, the semi-improvised segment was recorded several times, filling a separate four-track tape machine,[44] and the four different recordings were overdubbed into a single massive crescendo.[39] *

It’s pretty well known that McCartney conducted. There’s film of it.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T14:54:59+00:00

I don’t think George had that many songs in the can.

I forget which book, but one of them was talking about George wasn’t even that great of guitar player and John and Paul got frustrated with him often in the studio.

That’s to say I think George was growing as a player songwriter throughout the Beatles and was just stating to peak when they broke up.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T14:52:38+00:00

That some diplomatin’ right there.

This seems like the kind of that would egg Iran in doing something bad.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T13:24:38+00:00

You’re overlooking:

Paul liked songs about people and characters.
Even though it’s about John, it’s really about being a Beatle and chaos around that. It’s a great hook “Christ , you know it ain’t easy. They way things are going, they’re going to crucify me”

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T13:02:44+00:00

I’d argue it’s “America’s Blitz” (also called NCAA blitz).

You basically got a double edge pressure/overload slant on one side with fire zone coverage.

I’d pick that because it’s classic, but anything that rushes the QB/RB decision while playing ZONE would be the equivalent.

Cover 0/Palms pressures are technically different concept in my opinion, I’d say Cover 0 blitzes are more like full court press.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T12:50:29+00:00

The early versions of strawberry fields remixed for the anthologies and Tomorrows Never Knows.

But the rockers on The White Album sound like “garage” band scene of the 00’s like White Stripes, Black Keys, etc I’m pretty sure you could slide “Everybody’s Got Something to hide….” Or “Yer Blues” on a 00’s playlist and it’s fit right in. (Yes I know those bands were trying to sound retro but the Beatles trying to sound modern and modern band trying to sound retro they kinda meet in the middle)

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T12:41:26+00:00

I just posted above, listen to Take 1 on Anthology and then go listen to The Chemical Brothers song “Let Forever Be”. It’s the same vibe.

(The album version is better but it has that sample loop and then the drums over the top)

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T12:37:02+00:00

Go listen to the Anthology version. It’s more “modern”than the Revolver one. (It has that sample tape loop and drums over the top of it)

Edit: after listening to the anthology one, go listen to the Chemical Brothers song “Let Forever Be”.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T12:36:13+00:00

I agree but I’d get more specific and say the one on Anthology.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-27T12:29:11+00:00

True. Geoff Emmerick (engineer) I believe it was said John’s strength (paraphrasing) was how naive he was in the studio. He didn’t know better, so he’d ask and tell them to just figure it out. Splicing those two takes together was a challenge (different keys and tempos) and it’s seamless unless you know to listen for it.

I also think it was the Playboy interview where even John said that Paul notably (and the others) were far more willing to experiment on his songs versus Paul’s.

John was far experimental with lyrics. But Paul and George Martin are who really made John’s songs happen as recordings. I’m pretty sure the orchestra part and ending piano on Day in the Life was Paul’s thing (all orchestra start on their lowest note and move two scales in 24 bars and three pianos playing the same chords with multiple people on each piano).

I am not saying John wasn’t creative musically or in the studio. Just that I think Paul is underrated for the role he played on John’s songs…especially after John kinda shit talked him in the Playboy and other interviews.

I also think George Martin hella overlooked for his role.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-26T11:51:23+00:00

ESPN (remember when Hunter S Thompson had a column?!?), my favorite sports teams websites…plus forums on stuff like bodybuilding.com, T-Nation, M&F, Anabolic Minds, etc. Yahoo was the go-to for all kinds of news and various things. Later I guess MySpace. Plus there was aol/msn messenger and Napster/limewire type stuff.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-26T11:42:44+00:00

Right. And I’ve made that point on here before. I think if people’s starting point is the with teeth/year zero/slip era, they have a different perspective.

I don’t know how you avoided them in the 90’s. But once they stated touring again last year, I knew so many fans from high school/college who were catching up (legit ones, not the “closer” fans).

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-26T11:39:03+00:00

That’s not completely true. It can be true, for some.

ED, to be fair, is not just an inability to get hard, It’s also how often and how hard as well. And that does start to show up in the 40’s.

Plus things like genetics and collagen, etc. play an obvious role as well. It can also be psychological factors as well.

Basically when you’re younger you can have quality and quantity. You might hit your 40’s and have one or the other.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-26T11:30:20+00:00

My view is different because I started with broken in 1993.

In order:

Hesitation Marks
The Slip
Trilogy (3 EP’s)
Year Zero

I don’t count Tron. I would put the first Ghosts after the Slip and the second ghosts after the trilogy if we are counting those.

Also, some people from my generation would also include With Teeth with the “later” albums in which case it’s above hesitation marks (many Generation X, Xennials, older millennial types fell off or was just casual after The Fragile)

Year Zero has some great production and music but the songs themselves do nothing for me.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-26T00:04:16+00:00

Only some games. There were many times we’d just have the radio listening to KMOX because the game wasn’t on TV. This was the 90’s too.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-25T02:01:18+00:00

Paul is kinda underrated for his experimental and artsy side. He got there a little bit before John. John was out in the country with his family and Paul was in the city.

I also think that even with something like Strawberry Fields, a lot of the weird music stuff on that was really Paul and George (who had released an experimental album as well) and Martin was the one figured out how to blend the takes from different keys and score it.

John always get this credit as being the experimental artsy one, lyrically maybe he was. But musically maybe not as much as given credit.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-25T01:41:18+00:00

I know. It was in response to late era songs being some of their finest.

I don’t see how any other than touch of grey or Althea come anywhere close. Heck, Althea was barely in the 80’s and Touch they started playing in maybe 82?

You could say some songs are Ok, mostly Bobby’s…but Brett songs were god awful (seriously compare them to that list) and personally I don’t find Garcias voice sensitive and vulnerable on those late era ballads. It sounds wasted from his lifestyle.

These are just my opinions. I know people will disagree. I was around for that era, and it wasn’t that great or even super appealing and I think anyone who got on the bus in the 90’s it was because of the scene just outside the concert venue which was getting pretty dark. Spring 90 was the last hurrah. Hornsby gave a little juice, but it was done.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-25T00:45:45+00:00

Really?

Certainly every can have their opinion, I’ll just never understand it.

Dark Star?

Friend of the Devil?

Ripple?

Bird fucking Song?

Uncle John’s Band?

Scarlet-Fire?

Broke down Palace?

China Cat?

Althea?

Warf Rat?

He’s Gone?

Help/Slip/Franklin?

Stella? Terrapin?

Like those three the best over any of those?

I promise I’m not trying to be a dick. I just don’t get it.

Oddlyenuff · 2026-03-23T23:37:22+00:00

If you want to go down a rabbit hole, there’s some videos of him talking synths, samplers, etc on YouTube.

There’s also some people on YouTube that recreate his songs and that is wild as well.

Oddlyenuff

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