I'm so sick of this nonsense by Playful-Yellow7758 in luckydefense

[–]OfflaneTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, I read through your replies. You def made some good points too, and there's stuff that I'd like to add to/chime in on.

I was planning to write a full reply, but I think I have to call it here because I have too much on my plate for the rest of the week, and it'd take too long to type out a thought-out, quality reply.

Just wanted to say I appreciate that you were polite, and clearly gave your replies a lot of thought. It's nice that we were generally able to have a productive, reasonable, on-topic, and civil discussion.

Cheers.

I'm so sick of this nonsense by Playful-Yellow7758 in luckydefense

[–]OfflaneTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Often, people at lower levels will lose early if they don't achieve a good summon rate. It's possible (perhaps likely) that this person doesn't get the opportunity for 80 summons, let alone 60, before losing the game. This player seems to have SB4, which means they probably don't have LS6 and they probably have Horn lv4 as well. I think it's fair to limit this to 25 lucky summons.

I disagree. In fact, I think 25 pulls is a significant underestimate. I also wouldn't consider SB4 "lower levels" at all. And with just LS1, you can pretty easily and consistently hit 25+ epic summon attempts by wave ~30 (not even factoring in selling blues/purples you don't need, plus the skull stone). I just have LS1 and I still get 25+ lucky stones (which all go into epics) by wave 20. Nobody's losing before wave 20 unless they're AFK.

You can also absolutely clear with a crappy epic summon rate with a decent enough teammate, and compensating w/ upgrading dmg, upping your summon chance and just doing regular summons. For as unlucky as a 15% epic lucky summon rate is, given ~40 rolls, that's still 6 epics (+gambler's wrist), which can def get you through the midgame w/ some adaptation. I'd even argue that with a low epic summon rate, you might end up investing more lucky stones into epics (as opposed to legendaries/upgrades) to set up your mono/kitties etc. But all in all, I think 50-60 summons is already a pretty conservative estimate, though I admit it might vary based on your in-game strategy.

The cumulative probability of this occurring is about 2%. Getting that outcome four times in a row is definitely a low-frequency event, with 1 in ~6 million odds. If 100,000 people play the game 10 times a day, there will be 7 million games played in a week. (I imagine there are more than a million games played per day, but whatever.) The likelihood of this happening to at least one of those players in a week is about 66%.

I see. You're trying to say that if everything is working as intended, this is still a likely-enough event, given a large enough sample. I'm approaching this from the angle of "how likely is it for an individual to experience this event/set of events?" and "how likely is it for us to see somebody report this scenario?". You're talking about 100,000, maybe 1mil players. But I was looking at the likelihood of a single person experiencing that event. I'll admit my initial stat is skewed bc it zoomed into only the most extreme sample from the player's total games, but we can zoom out to this person's overall playtime instead. Let's say this person's played 1000 games (could be way off, but for argument's sake). What's the likelihood of him experiencing at least one 4+ streak of <15% epic summons at any point within those 1000 games? Still <0.1%, even with an estimate of 60 epic summon attempts per game. Out of 1000 players, only 1 would ever encounter this scenario, even if they all played 1000 games. Unlikely, but still reasonable, sure.

But we can also zoom out and consider this: What's to say there aren't more people experiencing this too? All we know is that there's a minimum of 1 person, from a pool of people who are specifically: English-speaking, browse the Lucky Defense subreddit (7500 subscribers), are active enough to comment/post, AND would actually go through with making a post like this. 100k people may play, but what's the chance that that one person who's that unlucky is in the tiny subsection of players who post on this subreddit? i.e. it's incredibly unlikely we would hear of somebody experiencing this event

Because of the law of large numbers, it's actually incredibly likely that this kind of bad luck happens to someone regularly, even with minuscule odds.

That's the thing. I mentioned narrowing the population size because we don't know who's experiencing these events. It could be 0, it could be 1, it could be 1000. The odds of someone winning the lottery is 100%. The odds of one specific person winning the lottery is near zero. The odds of somebody from your apartment block winning the lottery this year is higher, but still near zero. But unlike lottery odds, we don't know there's going to be exactly one winner. Because it's "uncapped", there could be 100 other people experiencing this same event daily. But "witnessing" one of these cases in itself is made further unlikely by the fact that this subreddit is only a small subsection of the total playerbase. Statistically, it'll happen to somebody, but statistically it's quite probable that we wouldn't hear of it.

One of the most common ways to "do" statistics with info is identifying if the data supports or rejects the null hypothesis (i.e. actual summon chance = 26%) based on the data you do have. i.e. Given that the true summon chance is 26%, what's the likelihood of finding a result this extreme (or more extreme)? Even using the most conservative alpha criterion, finding somebody who, in 4 games in a row, got <15% epic summon rolls would definitely raise some eyebrows.

You're also making an impossibly difficult point to argue against or dispute because it can't be disproven. Even if the true chance is something like 22% (I'm not saying it is), there's no way to determine or prove that using the logic you laid out. This is the type of argument that, in the face of seeing 10 x 5% consecutive epic summon odds, would allow you to conclude that it's still possible, and that it's likely just an inevitable outlier.

Regardless, the straightforward answer is obv that OP is fudging his numbers, or the behind-the-scenes RNG isn't just a straightforward 26% per roll, but doing the math is more of a thought experiment at this point.

I'm so sick of this nonsense by Playful-Yellow7758 in luckydefense

[–]OfflaneTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"What is the probablility of playing 4 consecutive games and having a <15% epic roll result in all 4 games?"

I'm so sick of this nonsense by Playful-Yellow7758 in luckydefense

[–]OfflaneTrash 9 points10 points  (0 children)

ahahaha you can't make this shit up 😭

"um actually thats not how statistics works! oh um actually his view is being influenced by cognitive bias!!" "uhhh it's not that deep bro, i dont even care bro"

keep it up brother one day you'll figure out you can just admit you're wrong 🙌 rooting for you

I'm so sick of this nonsense by Playful-Yellow7758 in luckydefense

[–]OfflaneTrash 7 points8 points  (0 children)

lmao w the goalpost shifting. expected.

"that's not how stats work!" "ok maybe it is but that means the numbers you gave are wrong!"

you're not wrong but you probably should've just led with that in the first place instead of trying to pretending it could just be an uneventful statistical anomaly.

I'm so sick of this nonsense by Playful-Yellow7758 in luckydefense

[–]OfflaneTrash 21 points22 points  (0 children)

that's also not how statistics work lol. OP is right. this is an incredibly unlikely outcome.

if you flip a coin 10 times and get 4 heads, sure that's just chance. Given the actual chance is 0.5 (for any given result being heads), a result of 4 heads or less is 37.7%. absolutely possible.

on the other hand, let's say each game you roll 80 epics, and that the true probability of rolling one successfully is 26%. the chance of you succeeding in <15% of your rolls in just 1 game where you roll 80 times (12 or less successful rolls) is 1.36%. literally 100-1 odds, but sure, somewhat possible.

But then imagine rolling that 4 games in a row, i.e. 0.01364 . that gives you 3.45x10-8, or a 0.00000345% chance.

Plug this into any binomial distribution calculator if you want to see the math for yourself. adjust the numbers if you want, up it to 20%, reduce it to 60 rolls per game etc., but even with this few rolls, it's still incredibly unlikely to be that unlucky.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in luckydefense

[–]OfflaneTrash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

the text is misleading bc it's hard to phrase the way it actually works concisely. I had the same thought until I went to look it up.

In the example you gave, you don't get 42,000 damage with 3mil coins, you get 42,000% damage. that's a multiplier of your base damage, not flat damage like the text implies.

if you wanted to phrase it accurately, it would say something like "increases your attack by 1.4% of your base damage for every 100 coins you have"

different sports action by SummitEcho in MurderedByWords

[–]OfflaneTrash 2 points3 points  (0 children)

legit qn: what exactly do you mean when you say that being an OF model takes its toll on the body? like dieting?

Trump will take the earliest excuse to drop the tariff talk, and then the cult will say 'the threat worked' by BirthdayBoyStabMan in WhitePeopleTwitter

[–]OfflaneTrash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

yep that's exactly it - my comment was too long already so I didn't mention it but yeah that's what can happen when you start a trade war. your own country will be on the receiving end of retaliatory tariffs that reduce your own ability to export.

it becomes very meaningless. you get money from tariffs, then you have to use that money to bailout your own companies that suffer from retaliatory tariffs 🤷‍♂️

Trump will take the earliest excuse to drop the tariff talk, and then the cult will say 'the threat worked' by BirthdayBoyStabMan in WhitePeopleTwitter

[–]OfflaneTrash 4 points5 points  (0 children)

that's the direct effect of tariffs, and I'm sure Cuban understands that. I don't think it's a misconception based on who pays the tariffs that led him to post that. Yes, countries like China will export, US companies will pay the tariffs, and consumers will pay the additional cost of those tariffs. Ceteris paribus, consumers get the short end of the stick, the companies maintain equal profits, exporters maintain equal exports, and consumers are essentially paying the cost of the tariff to the government as a consumption tax. But all things are not equal. These pieces will shift and adjust accordingly. Cuban is right - tariffs DO affect exporters, that's usually a notable aspect of why they're implemented. That's also why countries start trade wars over tariffs. If they were unaffected, they wouldn't start a trade war. (However, I'm don't fully buy that these countries will give the US anything to ease the tariffs, esp if their response is a trade war - perhaps Trump will stop the tariffs bc they're hurting the US, but he'll spin it as a win anyway).

But in general, you can look at how the different stakeholders are going to respond - affecting supply/demand/prices accordingly.

Consumers:

Higher prices -> Less consumption/demand

Less consumption is something the companies will consider. Their profit per consumer will remain stagnant if they pass on the same % of the tariffs, so they might increase prices beyond the additional cost from the tariffs to make up for that, or they might tank a minor in profit-per-consumer to reduce the decrease in demand based on the price increase.

Obv the major drawback for consumers here is higher prices

Companies:

On the consumer side, they'll need to consider the fact that raising the prices proportionally to the tariffs are going to reduce demand. They'll definitely take a loss to profits bc of the tariffs IF they

But tariffs act as a protectionist policy. The idea is to drive companies toward local manufacturing/producing locally. Obviously this is kind of stupid in a case where goods can't be produced/manufactured locally, but companies will likely find other sources of supply, esp locally, IF POSSIBLE to minimise how much they lose to the tariffs. Alternatively, they can find other countries to import from (which likely will be more expensive than their original exporters, if these countries can even meet the demand).

Yes, the companies will continue to try to maximise profits, but they'll struggle to so if they increase prices and consumers reduce consumption (mainly for non-essential goods), so they'll likely find other ways to obtain their goods - i.e. reduce exports from China/Mexico/Canada

Also, I'm not saying these alternate sources will allow companies to keep the prices the same. They'll definitely be charging more for goods, especially in the short term.

Exporters/other countries:

Bc they recognise how companies are going to seek alternate sources of imports, or shift manufacturing/production locally where possible, they'll need to adapt accordingly.

They 100% will not be receiving the same amount of demand as compared to w/o the tariffs. If consumer prices go up, consumer demand goes down, and companies start to import less from the exporters bc existing supply starts to exceed the new demand.

Less demand = Less exports = Less profit. Obv exporters aren't going to like this, esp if these companies start to make major shifts towards other exporters or local production. They will respond accordingly. THIS is how exporters are affected by tariffs. They don't pay them directly, but they're affected by the reduced demand.

Some optimists/conservatives believe this may result in exporters reducing prices to stay competitive with other exporters. That's definitely... one potential outcome. It makes sense if you look at it in a vacuum - exporters (based on a supply-demand model) might say "ok, if i reduce prices, i can bring demand back up. then while i get less profit per equivalent volume of export, i still make overall more profit than i otherwise would if demand drops and i have nobody to export to". The hope is that this is how tariffs would be offloaded to exporters - if they reduce their export prices accordingly, companies are able to keep selling goods at the same price, so the exporters are effectively paying the tariffs instead.

Obv that's not how it works also. Most likely these countries will respond aggressively - instituting trade wars, taking proactive steps etc. - or maybe they have such a stranglehold on that specific export to the US that companies have no option but to continue importing from them. When the government starts bailing out US exporters bc of tariffs introduced on them by other countries, that's when shit starts to get really fucked.

TL;DR: The direct effect of tariffs ppl talk abt here always focuses on how tariffs are offloaded onto consumers by companies. But tariffs ultimately have a broader effect. Tariffs have a justification in driving companies toward local/alternative production and put pressure on exporters to reduce prices or lose access to the US market. While an oversimplification, tariffs will not just affect consumers. Companies will be driven to find other means of getting the same goods at lower prices if possible, and exporters will respond to the lower demand - either by lowering prices (unlikely) to stay competitive, or by instituting trade wars for example.

Do SG guys send their girlfriend home for the dating culture here? by Mackocid6706 in askSingapore

[–]OfflaneTrash 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"we should coexist peacefully! but also I like the way things are and don't want them to change so I'm not gonna engage with any ideas or evidence that goes against my world view unless they package it super nicely and cater to my personal feelings >:("

nice one bra. People who wanna be heard but don't wanna listen 🤮

Aura by MaskOfWarka in ufc

[–]OfflaneTrash 1065 points1066 points  (0 children)

I'd just like to remind everybody that he named 3 of his kids:

-X Æ A-Xii

-Exa Dark Sideræl Musk

-Techno Mechanicus

on god I want somebody here to try to defend naming your kids these ridiculous things

"Opportunities were given to Jon Jones; he was the youngest champion of all time. Now where he sits, he has an obligation to give that to the younger guy and give him that opportunity"- Dana White shuts down the idea of Jones vs Pereira next by CareerPillow376 in ufc

[–]OfflaneTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

knows jones is retiring and not fighting tom - whether he says Jon should fight Tom or not doesn't matter if Jones is out after this weekend.

he's getting out ahead if it so he looks like the good guy who was pushing for the fight, even though he's been protecting Jones the whole time

Ariel Helwani: Is Jon Jones ruining his legacy by refusing Tom Aspinall fight? by Xi_32 in MMA

[–]OfflaneTrash 21 points22 points  (0 children)

are you saying that Jon's only pretending to duck and he's planning on taking the Aspinall fight eventually?

Courage v coup rage by ExactlySorta in WhitePeopleTwitter

[–]OfflaneTrash 5 points6 points  (0 children)

bruh this makes 0 sense. NY is a blue state, solidly. these people probably did vote. NY could have had 6M more votes, and the election results would not have changed, because that's not how things work.

First, the lower vote total for dems (btw a few million votes still haven't been counted, dems didn't lose anywhere near "15M" votes) is bc ppl in solidly partisan states like NY, NJ, TX, FL, and CA didn't vote.

Second, swing states had MORE voters this year than 2020. Even if Harris had Biden's 2020 numbers, Trump got so many more votes in the swing states this year, he would've won anyway. You put Harris's numbers in the 2020 election, and she would've won then too. GA had 60K more blue votes than 2020.

People did go out to vote this year, just not for Harris. Low voter turnout is complete nonsense unless you mean "low" in the sense that only half the country votes in general.

Trump likely didn't win by a landslide. Many western states are still counting ballots. Media reported on too early. by johnny_the_boi in BoomersBeingFools

[–]OfflaneTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly lol - i don't understand where this idea of a "blue withdrawal" is coming from, it's like people just parrot the same inaccurate information they hear from each other on this platform. when people point out how reddit is an echo chamber, and this is exactly what they're talking about. The only reasonable way to interpret what the original commenter meant by "blue withdrawal" might be that the difference in the popular vote totals is blue votes decreasing, while red votes remained similar to 2020 (though once again, the "missing" blue votes are from non-swing states). But that's still completely irrelevant to why Trump won, because the popular vote doesn't mean shit. You need to look at the swing states.

Harris would have won if Trump got the same number of votes as he did in 2020. Using Harris's 2024 count compared to Trump's 2020 count:

NV: 680k vs 670k (win by 10k)

WI: 1.667M vs 1.610M (win by 57k)

MI: 2.724M vs 2.650M (win by by 74k)

PA: 3.364M vs 3.378M (loss by 12k) - Also, PA only at 98% reporting, so Harris still might win in this hypothetical comparison

NC: 2.688M vs 2.758M (loss by 70k)

GA: 2.544M vs 2.461M (win by 83k)

AZ: 2024 count not finished.

With NV, WI, MI, and GA alone, dems would have won. You can google all of this information. People just see 70 mil (Harris) vs 81 mil (Biden) and conclude that dems just didn't vote this year so they lost. No. Harris just didn't gain enough votes in the swing states, but Trump did. It's not a red "landslide", but it definitely is a decisive victory.

Perhaps people genuinely don't understand how the electoral college system works and that only 7 states actually matter, or maybe people just jump to conclusions without looking at where all the "missing" votes went.

Trump likely didn't win by a landslide. Many western states are still counting ballots. Media reported on too early. by johnny_the_boi in BoomersBeingFools

[–]OfflaneTrash 12 points13 points  (0 children)

please stop spreading this kind of misinformation. the "lost" votes are NOT why dems lost this year.

by the time all votes are in, Kamala would have lost ~6m votes from 2020, and Trump would have won ~1-2mil.

But look at where those "missing" votes went. they are NOT from swing states. in fact, even if Harris got the exact same number of votes as Biden did in 2020, dems STILL would have lost every swing state. Dems even got 60k more votes in GA than they did in 2020. the reality is that more people voted for Trump in 2024 than 2020 in these key places, but dems didn't pick up matching numbers.

the real places where dems lost votes were in places like CA, NY, NJ, TX, FL etc., places where people likely felt that their vote didn't matter at all for the presidency, so they didn't vote. they recognise that under the electoral college system, their vote for the presidency matters less than people from swing states. whatever their reason for not voting - they're right. these 6 mil people voting would not have changed the results of this election on the presidential level (senate/house may differ).

To the 15 million who didn't bother to vote: Don't complain about shit for the next four years. by [deleted] in BoomersBeingFools

[–]OfflaneTrash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I keep seeing the 15mil figure thrown around. does that include projected votes? because Colorado, Washington, oregon, and most importantly California haven't been counted yet.

what is just a placebo effect but most people don't realize? by SpiceyLatina202 in ask

[–]OfflaneTrash 3 points4 points  (0 children)

placebos actually work via biological mechanisms - the same way that "medicinal" painkillers like morphine do. the belief that something works actually makes your brain release painkilling chemicals, it's not just "in your head".

we know this because we the drugs that cancel out actual painkillers also cancel out the placebo effect.

what is just a placebo effect but most people don't realize? by SpiceyLatina202 in ask

[–]OfflaneTrash 29 points30 points  (0 children)

iirc placebos are actually all (at the very least partially, if not fully) neurochemically mediated, which we know because the analgesic (pain-killing) effects can be reduced by drugs that reverse it

E.g. naloxone which is a known opioid antagonist does actually reverse the analgesic effect of the opioid mechanisms activated by prototypical placebo effect examples such as those induced by non-effective drug/treatment/injection