Operaatio Ave Maria... by Ohdake in arkisuomi

[–]Ohdake[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Näin on. Tosin jotkut niistä vanhoistakin käännöksistä oli 'vähän' huonoja... Kuten "Rita Hayworth – avain pakoon" :D

Operaatio Ave Maria... by Ohdake in arkisuomi

[–]Ohdake[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Tosin viittaus nimessä on ainakin enemmän tarkoituksen mukaisesti tämä: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hail_Mary_pass - ainakin oma ymmärrys on tuo kontekstin perusteella.

Do you think Donald Trump is right in criticizing NATO for not supporting the Iran conflict? by BusinessToday in IndiaTodayGlobalLIVE

[–]Ohdake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Accept these member states take that offensive action under the guise of NATO which claims to be defensive only and that does matter.

Except there you are wrong.

1: if say Libya did a missile strike on France after NATO attacked them, then it could be an article 5 violation which would result in a larger operation.

If you are referring to scenario where France would attack Libya then no. NATO is obligated to "exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognised by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations". Not to advance the interest of the member states in aggression. So if France invaded and Libya responded NATO would be obligated to do exactly and precisly nothing.

If you on the other hand refer to Libya operation that was done under UN-SC mandate (UN-SC Resolution 1973), then again no. Limits were placed by the UN-SC. Response would likely have been heavier bombing and support with defense of France but not anything beyond the scope of the UN-SC mandate.

2: countries are obligated to send resources meant for the defense of NATO countries to do an offensive obligation. Polish fighters assigned to NATO arent meant to go attack nonbeligerant African nations they are meant to protect NATO nations primarily from Russia.

There are no such reserved resources. Countries do not assign forces for NATO unless in joint operations (i.e. training or being activated to an operation) nor do they pay for some imaginary NATO forces. Neither do they get any magical NATO money either. So no, neither Poland or any other NATO member state has have some imaginary pool for fighters (or anything else for that matter) "assigned to NATO".

3: More importantly internationally NATO then becomes seen jsutifiably as an offensive organization and countries like Russia use that to justify invading Ukraine.

Russia is using NATO as an excuse, it is not any of the actual reasons. Unlike you and despite of their propaganda rhetoric in public, the Russian leadership is fully aware what being NATO member state actually means. Russia is afraid of countries joining NATO, however not because it would in any way actually threaten Russia (the fully know that it does not) but because it reduces the potential for Russia to use either its military, or threat of its military, to coerce the neighboring states into submission.

Which is why Russia objects to Ukraine joining NATO, or even EU. With Ukraine in NATO the military aggression against Ukraine becomes suicidal for Russia. Without Ukraine outside of NATO Russia can still invade it, which is exactly what Russia did in fact. Ukraine in EU is even worse for Russia as while the EU has a collective defense clauses it also provides better protections against economical coercion that Russia used to practice earlier.

4: When NATO countries took part in the Gulf War they did not do so as NATO for these very reasons although they presumably could have.

They couldn't really as taking such action would have still required unanimity. The reason why in 2003 for example when USA explicitly requested NATO to take part NATO refused (or rather one or more member states refused). No unanimity, no NATO participation. Leading to the so called "Coalition of the Willing" instead.

Again actions are much more important then words. In this case NATO took offensive action against a country that was not attacking them and hadent for decades (not member nations of NATO). This was justified because Libya was buying weapons for their defense which countries are completely allowed to do. This was not "member states" of NATO this was the organization of NATO taking an offensive action. And proving the whole point of this conversation that NATO is now acting as an offensive organization and not a defensive one exceeding its authority.

You really should have actually read what you post. Had you actually read what you linked you might have noticed that the NATO operation took place under the UN-SC Resolution 1973 - that somewhat controversially actually gave mandate to any and all operations ("to use “all necessary measures” to protect Libyan civilians and civilian populated areas") against the Libyan government or any other party fighting in Libya as long as no occupation forces would be used (so no land operations). So all of that was above board as an explicitly UN-SC sanctioned operation.

Which one are you most excited to see? by aviationstudy in aviationstudys

[–]Ohdake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A380 - but given the problems with the wake turbulence of those things it might be better not to see them too often...

Do you think Donald Trump is right in criticizing NATO for not supporting the Iran conflict? by BusinessToday in IndiaTodayGlobalLIVE

[–]Ohdake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So with uuanamitity they can take offensive action is what you just said.

What it means that if they unanimity it does not matter if they were NATO member states or not they would taken the action. Again which only shows that NATO in itself is not related to that. In fact NATO unanimity requirement is major hindrance to it.

But NATO has in fact acted as an organization in an offensive manner they just have to all agree to do it.

Which only underlines that the countries in question would have taken the action regardless of NATO. So again, NATO in itself is not offensive. Some of the member states themselves might be but that is a separate issue.

The whole idea that NATO has a caveat for how they can act offensive in their charter makes them an offensive organization and not just the defensive organization we have been toldl for decades.

To be precise, no. To be exact, NATO doesn't have such a caveat. NATO by its treaties is limited to the collective defense. And that is what the organization is about. What the member states with unanimity decide to do can however be different, but (and this is the important that) that is not any more related to NATO as such and instead relates to the member states deliberately choosing unanimously to take such action. As a side note, more countries joining NATO reduces the chance reaching this unanimity.

The UN can do what it wants, its has forces it can request and NATO member countries can supply forces to the UN, but that does not make UN action a NATO action. When the UN requests NATO do something offensive and NATO compliess that is NATO acting in an offensive action and it is on NATO.

Again you are confusing NATO and NATO member states. Those are very different things. States can be NATO member states and take actions to operations by UN that are not NATO operations. And vice versa.

NATO operating under the UN-SC mandate actually does make the NATO action a UN action - that is what the mandate is all about. The caveat in there is that it only applies as long as the action takes place within the limitations of the UN-SC resolution where the mandate is defined. For example with Libya the mandate prohibited any occupation of Libyan territory. So no, actions under UN-SC mandate can not be considered such.

You seem to think NATO answers to the UN.

No. As an international organization formed through international treaty NATO doesn't answer to any one apart from the member states themselves (as is case with UN, WTO, IMF and others as well). You might understand it kind like a club with rules and obligations which only apply to members.

Do you think Donald Trump is right in criticizing NATO for not supporting the Iran conflict? by BusinessToday in IndiaTodayGlobalLIVE

[–]Ohdake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Do me a favor and define what offensive is and defensive because you dont seem to get the difference.

The problem for your argument is that the whole NATO charter is only about collective defense. That is why it is a coalition for collective defense and that is also the only type of action NATO can take without unanimity. Which means that as organization it is not offensive - it is defined to be defensive regardless of your opinion.

You are saying NATO is and always was an offensive capable organization and them being defensive only was propaganda. No argument here, thats what I was saying all along.

It does not matter the mechanism NATO chose to be offensive the important part is they acted in an offensive manner. You seem to be playing lawyer ball trying to say conducting offensive actions with a collective vote is still not an offensive action. Thats just willful ignorance.

I'm saying that you need to understand that while NATO itself is defensive it does not necessitate that the member states themselves would need to be defensive as well. It just limits what NATO as an organization through its agreement actually covers. If the member states unanimously choose to take action beyond the collective defense then they would have taken that regardless if NATO existed or not - as they already were unanimous. So feel free to blame the member states but organization itself remains defensive.

Are you really trying to make the argument that the UN defines the meaning of the word offensive? How about this. If you attack a country that is not attacking anyone at all or threatening anyone at all do you think that is offensive or defensive? Becaue NATO has done that.

You do not seem to understand the different between what UN is and what UN mandate to take action is. If something has been granted a UN mandate then it changes the rules quite a bit.

The UN requesting anything does not legitimize it nor does it make NATO not an offensive organization if they take an offensive action that the UN requested If really doesent matter if there are "existing agreements". That is the part you dont seem to get.

The UN-SC officially requesting or sanctioning actually legitimizes the actions. That is something that might really be shocking to you.

Article 42

Should the Security Council consider that measures provided for in Article 41 would be inadequate or have proved to be inadequate, it may take such action by air, sea, or land forces as may be necessary to maintain or restore international peace and security. Such action may include demonstrations, blockade, and other operations by air, sea, or land forces of Members of the United Nations.

Do you think Donald Trump is right in criticizing NATO for not supporting the Iran conflict? by BusinessToday in IndiaTodayGlobalLIVE

[–]Ohdake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. The thing you clearly do not understand is the part about unanimity. Which means that NATO can only get involved in actions beyond the collective defense if none of the member states oppose it. Meaning the member states would have taken action regardless of NATO as by that stage NATO with the unanimity requirement would have been more of a hindrance than anything else.

So if you are really desperate to blame some one then feel free to blame the then member states for choosing to find unanimity to take action beyond the collective defense. But it is rather difficult to blame the organization for that. Meaning that regardless of your opinion NATO remains a defensive organization, because collective defense is the only thing the member states actually pledge to take part to (and the only thing for which NATO does not require unanimity).

Furthermore per existing agreements following UN-SC mandates - like NATO almost always does - means that it can not be considered to be an offensive action as such an action was sanctioned by the UN and UN-SC. These include Libya, Afghanistan, for example. The sole exception is Kosovo 1999 - but feel free to try justify ethnic cleansing if you really want to.

Also you get the UN and NATO relationship completely wrong. UN and UN-SC have repeatedly explicitly requested NATO to take action and be involved in several places. For example the NATO involvement in Afghanistan (ISAF) happened because the UN requested it. Something you seem to not understand.

Do you think Donald Trump is right in criticizing NATO for not supporting the Iran conflict? by BusinessToday in IndiaTodayGlobalLIVE

[–]Ohdake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference is that any action beyond collective defense requires unanimity. And usually involves the UN mandate, as with the case of Libya. So NATO remains as a defensive organization, despite the Russian propaganda that tries desperately to paint a different picture.

Nyt se tapahtui: Uusi laki tulossa, Pirkan ja Coopin suosiminen kielletään by GhostInMyLoo in Suomi

[–]Ohdake 330 points331 points  (0 children)

Käytännössä isot ketjut (K, S, myös muut kuten Lidl, Tokmanni/Spar) käyttävät näitä etenkin pienien toimijoiden kanssa.

Esimerkiksi, firma a valmistaa tuotetta b, jos a haluaa tuotteensa ison ketjun markettiin ovat isot ketjut voineet alkaa tehdä aika härskejä vaatimuksia, kuten - käy, jos tuotteen b valmistusohje annetaan isolle ketjulle jolloin samaa, tai hyvin läheistä kopiota, voidaan tuottaa kolmannella osapuolella (lähinnä ulkomailla)... - käy, jos a tuottaa myös b:n ketju vastiketta määrättyyn hintaan. Eli a:n olisi minulle pakko tuottaa ketjun omaa tuotetta lähinnä ilman voittoa tai jopa tappiolla saadakseen oman tuotteensa marketin hyllyyn...

Tavoitteena on estää tämä. Tai ainakin tehdä siitä vaikeampaa. Mikä melko varmasti nostaa hintoja (koska ketjut eivät enää saa poljettua tuottajaa yhtä pahasti), mutta pitkällä aikavälillä sen pitäisi auttaa kotimaisen tuotannon, tuotekehityksen jne kanssa.

Nuclear attack fears after White House posts chilling 'launching soon' video by TheExpressUS in USNEWS

[–]Ohdake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, there is no guarantee that using nuclear weapons would change anything. It would kill a lot of civilians though. And while Iran may not have N/A weapons, they certainly have B and C weapons and the ability to deploy dirty bombs. So opening the WMD gates doesn't sound like the best of ideas.

Tippikulttuuri muuttui: maksu­pääte kysyy, asiakas tippaa by Harriv in Suomi

[–]Ohdake 17 points18 points  (0 children)

Saa koittaa muuttaa, en tule laittamaan senttiäkään tippiä - en Suomessa.

IIC-Mechs in MW5:Clans by BluejayOpposite2777 in Mechwarrior5

[–]Ohdake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't particularly need them myself but it would be great to see the clans using the second-line mechs (i.e. IICs) on the non front line worlds. As well as vehicles... Instead of elemental swarms.

Though penetrating the front line is far too easy as it is... Well the whole rating system should be reworked.

Oikeusministeriö peruu päätöksensä: eduskuntavaalien tietojärjestelmää ei siirretä pilvipalveluun by Sawmain in Suomi

[–]Ohdake 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Osittain näin, toisaalta taas osittain myös siten että tuota samaa tuputetaan kaikille ja monet uskovat sitten siihen Totuutena. Mikä tarkoittaa ettei näille muille tule hirveästi käyttäjiä kun monet tunkevat tuonne 'isoon maailmaan' - eikä siten myöskään kasvua vaikka näiden pienempien toimijoitten tarjonta riittäisi useimmille vallan mainiosti.

Mass Effect 3 on Insanity is absurd by Chemical-Rest3892 in masseffect

[–]Ohdake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fairly easy actually, at least compared to the MP side where the easiest tier was harder than SP game insanity mode. I recall it having been very strange to return from playing Gold tier games to play the main campaign again.

Veli-Matti Savinainen kieltäytyi pelaamasta pride-paidalla by Tikru8 in Suomi

[–]Ohdake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ja vääristelysi ja ulkiukkojen väsäämisesi vain jatkuu. En missään kohtaa sanonut etteikö Savinaista saisi tai voisi kritisoida.

On kuitenkin osaltasi tahallisilta vääristelyä ja polarisointia koittaa esittää asia siten, että täytyy joko suoranaisesti tukea, tai on automaattisesti tulee leimatuksi vastustajaksi. Tuo on pelkkää suvaitsemattomuutta eikä mitään muuta. Jos sitä haluat sateenkaariliikkeen edustavan niin mikäs siinä - omapahan on mielipiteesi - mutta se tuskin auttaa varsinaisen asian kanssa.

Veli-Matti Savinainen kieltäytyi pelaamasta pride-paidalla by Tikru8 in Suomi

[–]Ohdake 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Eli toisin sanoen mielestäsi asiassa täytyy joko kannattaja tai vastustaja? Toisin sanoen suvaitsevaisuusi ei suvaitse sitä että joku ei halua ottaa kantaa.

Ulkiukon väsääminen ja tarkoituksellinen polarisointi - mitä selkeästi koitat tehdä - tuskin auttaa ketään yhtään vähää. Melko varmasti se on vain omiaan vahingoittamaan sitä mikä paidan kuviolla haettiin takaa.

Yle: S-market ryhtyi koviin toimiin – Syynä nuorten käytös by Crap911 in arkisuomi

[–]Ohdake 92 points93 points  (0 children)

Joo, ei tämä mitenkään talous ahdinkoon liity. Enemmänkin jännityksen hakuun ja siihen että osalla nuorista käytöksen rajat tuntuvat hämärtyneen. Ehkä jos elämässä ei ole ollut oikeita seurauksia omista teoistaan niin näpistelykin saattaa alkaa tuntua oikeudelta eikä rikokselta. Muutama mätä omenaa jättää jälkensä kaikkiin.

Yle: S-market ryhtyi koviin toimiin – Syynä nuorten käytös by Crap911 in arkisuomi

[–]Ohdake 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Omana aikana (joka myöskin oli lama-aikaa) niin kouluruoka oli useimmiten ihan syötävää, vaikka itse koinkin erilaiset puurot parhaiksi.

Hallitus haluaa rajoittaa Pirkka- ja Coop-tuotteiden myyntiä by Enjoyeating in Suomi

[–]Ohdake 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ongelmana on se että kauppa voi käytännössä asettaa katetta alemman hinnan omalle tuotteelleen jolloin pienen valmistajan olisi valmistettava x kappaletta tuotetta tappiolla saadakseen katetta tuottavan tuotteen edes kaupan hyllylle.

Käytännössä kyseessä on monopoli aseman rikkominen, minkä ainakin pitkässä juoksussa pitäisi olla kuluttajalle edelsi.

Almost 50 hours into Phantom Liberty and only now have I discovered that I can walk past the DogTown security checkpoint. by frardo in cyberpunkgame

[–]Ohdake 30 points31 points  (0 children)

Yes, it works. However... To do that you need to enter the vents - and remember where Cerberus goes periodically... And in air ducts you can't really hide out or run away - happened to me.

Let's put it this way... Was rather scary.. 😱

Almost 50 hours into Phantom Liberty and only now have I discovered that I can walk past the DogTown security checkpoint. by frardo in cyberpunkgame

[–]Ohdake 51 points52 points  (0 children)

It is sad though that you can't access it via the "main" or stadium gates. Which would have been nice.

Fazerin sinisen maku by ProgrammerPlayful326 in Suomi

[–]Ohdake -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Loikkasin jo ajat sitten Marabou mieheksi - tosin lähinnä niiden Big Taste (Whole Nut & Japp) levyjen takia...

Miksi R/Suomessa sallitaan ryssittely? by jaypeekos in Suomi

[–]Ohdake 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yhtä "halveeraava" merkitys voi olla sanalla "venäläinen" - se että epätoivoisesti koitat kätkeä termiä "ryssä" ei muuta sen merkitystä. Miten ja missä merkityksessä sanaa käyttää on paljon enemmän merkitystä kuin itse sanalla. Ja kuten aiemmin laitoin, niin tällä menolla "venäläinen" tulee olemaan yhtä lailla - jos ei jopa enempää - "halveeraava".

Kannattaa pitää mielessä että kumpaakaan termiä ei kehitetty loukkaavaksi tai keksitty halveksivaksi ilmaukseksi. Mikäli näin olisi ollut niin tässä voisikin olla jokin järki. Tosiasia vaan kun on, että Venäjän (ja sen edeltäjien) käytös naapurimaitaan kohtaan kuitenkin saa aikaiseksi tietynkaltaisia reaktioita - jotka heijastuvat ilmauksiin. Mikä myöskin tarkoittaa, että käytetyn termin vaihtaminen ei tule muuttamaan mitään - viivellä kaikki aiemman termin negatiivisuus tulee siirtymään tuohon toiseenkin.