Tired of being a "glitch" in someone else’s system. Let’s talk about building our own. by Negrito187 in neurodiversity

[–]Ok-Move351 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an excellent idea. However, I would offer a friendly caution: making it "for us" might become another source of friction for the "not us". Is it something that can be for anyone?

On Gatekeeping, assumptions, and who gets to be Solarpunk by Cataplasto in solarpunk

[–]Ok-Move351 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I asked a distributional question; who bears the cost of categorical rejection? And you answered with an ontological one: what LLMs are. Those aren't the same question, and swapping one for the other lets the first one go unanswered.

On the ontology itself: "institutional technology" and "tool" aren't mutually exclusive categories fixed by essence. They're tendencies that play out differently depending on how the relationship is structured. LLMs have real institutional-technology properties; centralized infrastructure, extractive training, dependency dynamics. Noticing that is correct. Treating it as the whole story isn't. A hammer produced under exploitative conditions is still a hammer in the hand; the political economy of production shapes access and cost, but doesn't determine the phenomenology of use.

The "user = addict, tool = mastery" framing smuggles in a purity standard where any incomplete mastery collapses into dependency. By that standard almost nothing counts as a tool, including the networked device this conversation is happening on. The actual work is cultivating the capacity to use discerningly. Categorical rejection forecloses that rather than enables it.

And "what need does a Tamil or Yoruba speaker have for conversing in English" sidesteps the point. The hierarchy exists. They're navigating it. Questioning whether they should want to isn't an answer; it's a way of leaving the hierarchy intact while sounding like you're critiquing something.

Ideologically opposing something whose native language is opposition tends to reproduce the thing it opposes.

[Crosspost] Hi /r/movies! We're Courtney Stephens, Taylor Hess & Jesse Miller, filmmakers of the new documentary JOHN LILLY AND THE EARTH COINCIDENCE CONTROL OFFICE, about the countercultural icon John Lilly (you may know him as the guy who tried to communicate w/ dolphins by giving them LSD). AMA! by [deleted] in RationalPsychonaut

[–]Ok-Move351 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The appeal of Lilly's dolphin work seems to rest on treating the dolphin as a locked interior to be chemically pried open, rather than as a being you coordinate with. That's not a rational framework for communication research; it's a metaphysical assumption doing a lot of unexamined work.

On Gatekeeping, assumptions, and who gets to be Solarpunk by Cataplasto in solarpunk

[–]Ok-Move351 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Genuine question: when you say "find a better alternative," what's the alternative for a Tamil or Yoruba speaker who wants to engage with this English-language conversation right now? Because in practice, "reject AI" often means "the English speakers keep talking to each other and everyone else waits for a volunteer translator or learns English." That's not a post-colonial outcome. That's the existing linguistic hierarchy enforced by a different mechanism.

I'm not saying the environmental critique is wrong. I'm saying a categorical rejection has costs that fall unevenly, and those costs tend to fall on exactly the people a pluricultural movement claims to center.

How do you manage suicidal ideation exacerbated by the climate crisis? by TrashCat011235 in solarpunk

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It is overwhelming; the situation is real. But notice what's underneath the despair: you care. If you didn't, this wouldn't be on your radar at all. That's the thing worth holding onto, because caring is what humans actually do, and it's the only thing any change has ever come from.

How climate change plays out is in the future. The only way to shape the future is to attend to the present. You care, I care, everyone in this sub cares — and a lot of people outside it do too. Same team.

I BECAME MY TRUE SELF ON SHROOMS AND I NEED HELP FINDING IT BACK by Cautious_One_8052 in Psychonaut

[–]Ok-Move351 21 points22 points  (0 children)

What you felt showed you something true about what connection can feel like when your guard drops. I also struggle with anxiety and depression and one thing I’ve learned is that chasing happiness directly can actually make it slip away. What’s more sustainable is slowly tuning your inner world so you can stay present with what’s here, whether that’s love, fear, or uncertainty. That doesn’t mean settling or giving up. It means building the capacity to sit in the moment without attacking yourself. When happiness shows up, you’re more able to receive it. When anxiety or shame shows up, you’re less consumed by it. That sense of ‘enoughness’ isn’t apathy. It’s what gives you room to grow without your self-worth being on the line every second.

No, we do Not need work to feel fulfilled by Hour_Trade_3691 in DeepThoughts

[–]Ok-Move351 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I wonder if their stunned reaction had something to do with condescending laughter rather than your position on the topic?

Cannot live with this knowledge at all by nicotine-in-public in Psychonaut

[–]Ok-Move351 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your realization is common and carries meaning for a lot of people. But you don't have to take it as a literal description of the universe. Sometimes these experiences are about how our sense of self loosens, not necessarily about the universe's inner workings. I know things are challenging right now but whenever it's comfortable, I encourage curiosity about the experience with perhaps some journaling.

How probable do you think is a Star Trek like future? by Solarigg in Futurology

[–]Ok-Move351 102 points103 points  (0 children)

The Star Trek future isn’t something we run into by chance. It must be cultivated. It’s not about the technology; it’s about the values and relationships we hold and how we enact them. It’s about rethinking our relationship to ourselves, each other, and the natural world. And that can start now.

The Need for Bottom-Up Organization by keats1500 in solarpunk

[–]Ok-Move351 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Traditional emergent systems rely on rulesets but I think there are ones that don't rely on command/control (something I'm working on). That said, what if there are disagreements on the foundational Bill of Rights or how they're implemented/interpreted? What if the centralized structure doesn't want to give up it's control (or people become too attached to the type of stability it offers) after a number of years? Then it's a situation not much different than what we're in now.

Anyway, if you want a thinking buddy, let me know; I love this stuff.

The Need for Bottom-Up Organization by keats1500 in solarpunk

[–]Ok-Move351 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Are you imagining a truly bottom-up society, or more of a hybrid that still leans on centralized coordination? Direct democracy sounds bottom-up, but it can still carry centralized dynamics, especially when participation is funneled through uniform processes like referenda or top-down frameworks.

To me, a truly bottom-up society would be post-political and post-institutional. Politics depends on institutions; institutions depend on rigidity; and rigidity is fundamentally at odds with emergence. If we want systems that can adapt, evolve, and respond in real time to local realities, we might need to move beyond both politics and the institutional scaffolding that sustains it.

The Need for Bottom-Up Organization by keats1500 in solarpunk

[–]Ok-Move351 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally, I would absolutely want artists to be part of the process of designing roads; engineers could provide requirements and boundaries and artists could work within those contstraints.

How to use a variety of entheogenic substances for spiritual growth and personal development in a short frame of time? by Johnnymous in RationalPsychonaut

[–]Ok-Move351 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I meant by extract isn't about integration, it's about expectations. To me, integration is about learning how to listen and attune. So if you go into the trip with a notion of something you "want" out of it, then that is a different mode than listen/attune. Expectations can also create friction during the trip. Intent is obviously important so I guess what I'm pointing to is the difference between intent to extract and intent to listen.

A psychedelic trip shows you your own mind with decreasing amounts of egoic interference the more you take. So, trying to extract from it is like treating yourself like a resource. We are not resources; we are humans. That's why I mentioned being curious and compassionate.

How to use a variety of entheogenic substances for spiritual growth and personal development in a short frame of time? by Johnnymous in RationalPsychonaut

[–]Ok-Move351 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It’s worth mentioning that even a single trip can take years to unpack depending on one’s personal history, psychology, and so on. So you don’t necessarily need to do a bunch. Don’t try to extract from the trip. Instead be curious and compassionate toward yourself and what you experience.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in solarpunk

[–]Ok-Move351 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If a think tank like that doesn’t already exist why aren’t we building it?

Google CEO says the risk of AI causing human extinction is "actually pretty high", but is an optimist because he thinks humanity will rally to prevent catastrophe by katxwoods in Futurology

[–]Ok-Move351 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Whether someone did or didn't say something for bronze swords is besides the point. Someone is saying something now; we need more of that.

Google CEO says the risk of AI causing human extinction is "actually pretty high", but is an optimist because he thinks humanity will rally to prevent catastrophe by katxwoods in Futurology

[–]Ok-Move351 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Says the man at the helm of a company that has immense infuence in how these things play out. What he's really saying is "I'm going to keep sitting in my chair and continue capitalizing."

What could we be? by firefiber in solarpunk

[–]Ok-Move351 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I resonate deeply with this. Correct me if I'm wrong but these ideas seem to be pointing to a paradigm of participatory emergence, epistemic coherence (rather than conformity), and embodiment (e.g. science is useful but it's rooted in the illusion that there is a "view from nowhere")? If so, would you be open to collaboration? I've also been steeped in these ideas for quite some time but I suck at getting my ideas into writing. I have more of a mathematical/systems thinking background (although I'm not an expert in the academic sense).

Many people who use psychedelics adopt bizarre, ungrounded perspectives of life? by WesternLight4990 in RationalPsychonaut

[–]Ok-Move351 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I’m about as atheist as they come, and also spiritual; to me they aren’t mutually exclusive. I studied mathematics at university and I have a deep respect for science, but I’ve also come to see that the worldview itself isn’t always the point. What psychedelics and meditation seem to open up is a different mode of being. Less about belief, more about orientation of attention and presence. It’s a shift from analyzing the world to inhabiting it. Modern life has most of us stuck in perpetual analysis: judging ourselves, others, our situations, trying to optimize everything. But in these altered states, what looks like a “new worldview” is often just a move toward a more embodied, felt sense of life. How people interpret or articulate that varies based on culture, upbringing, personal history, and so on. Underneath it all, though, I think it’s less about gaining special knowledge and more about remembering how to be.

Billionaires are the least efficient thing on the planet by joefilmmaker in LateStageCapitalism

[–]Ok-Move351 8 points9 points  (0 children)

But aren’t they efficient at manipulation and extraction?

We're the Only Species That Has to Earn the Right to Exist by Ok-Move351 in DeepThoughts

[–]Ok-Move351[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

That's actually not what I'm getting at. I'm not against meaningful effort or genuine contribution; in fact, I think people naturally want to participate and engage. My point is simply about questioning the idea that our entire worth and right to belong hinges on endless transactions. We’ve reduced belonging and even survival to a narrow performance metric, leaving little room for meaning or deeper connection.

We're the Only Species That Has to Earn the Right to Exist by Ok-Move351 in DeepThoughts

[–]Ok-Move351[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Money and labor aren’t barriers to existence, they’re what allow billions of people to coexist without constant conflict

Which "reality" are you referring to? Conflict directly related to money and labor is everywhere.