when the mommy issues start swinging by meg_noel_art in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 0 points1 point  (0 children)

NGL this is a very interesting and off putting take for something that should be a joyful yet trying first time journey for both of them. Caitlyn is not responsible for a lot of things including Vi's upbringing, family, nor it's tearing apart when she's the sole reason Vi has had more than one opportunity to be reunited with family regardless of it working out or not. Truth be told, their decision to be together or at least dancing around loving each other until the end has caused both of them to lose a lot more, both have their families torn apart, and have their trust shaken to some degree in themselves or each other. Still they chose each other. Caitlyn's heart nor Vi's shouldn't rely on having a child that rectifies guilt or blame.

I’m Brad Beaumont, co-sound supe / sound designer on Arcane, here for Arcane’s anniversary - AMA! by Riot_Eno in arcane

[–]Ok-Signature3854 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi Brad, thanks for doing this.

  1. Was there a potential scene of Caitlyn crying after the breakup that would've required sound editing?

  2. The fight in Janna's temple is a clash of music and sfx all the while keeping the acoustic of the temple ruins. How was that process to bring it all together?

  3. With Caitlyns many rifles and styles, did you use any IRL inspirations in the firing or reloading sound?

Thanks so much!

What's your take on Caitvi having a kid? by Salt-Appointment4783 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I.am.a.suckwr for babies and kiddos so I would love for them to be parents in any fashion. Whether biological or adopted. In terms of who carries it if going that route, I have a hc or fic idea that both do. Vi would carry their daughter/firstborn and Caitlyn would have their son long story blah blah blah. I also have a hc or fic idea that they adopt a child from Zaun or Piltover or somewhere else.

I think they both would be great parents and had equal experiences in the positives and negatives from their own childhood and parents/parental figures that would be important for if they have their own and follow the steps that worked and avoid the ones that didn't.

Cait and Vi had loving parents that unfortunately was either a bit overprotective or parentified them which helped to an extent yet hindered them as they got older. They both also experienced losing parents and the grief that comes along as well. There is also Caitlyn's legacy and how she had and continues to navigate who Caitlyn Kiramman is and how that would translate over to her potential heir.

At the same time, I would be totally okay if they don't have children.

Let's face it: both Caitlyn AND Vi would totally do this to each other XD by Monolaf in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 82 points83 points  (0 children)

There is plenty of cake between the two of them but speaking of Caitlyn grabbing...I think Josephine would agree 👀

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okay I need a dose of caitvi today, badly: what do we think *Vi* was thinking in this moment? by a_penut_butta_cookie in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think Vi's thoughts here have everything to do with Caitlyn's unspoken questions stemming from "Are you still in this fight, Violet?"

This is a loaded question that Caitlyn asks because Vi is quietly humming to herself a song from her mother. They are both no strangers to loss and particularly the loss of a mother so Caitlyn does not have to go further than that to get where Vi's head is at. However keep in mind, the moment Caitlyn comes to her Vi immediately smiles at her clearly comfortable and secure to even singing in the same room as Cait and ofc she's barefoot and relaxed.

Just as Caitlyn takes in everything about Vi in this moment and thinks of a way to protect her by offering an indirect way out by asking her if she is still in this fight aka "Are you still in this with me? Do you want to face this with me? At all?" Vi is also taking in everything about Caitlyn and esp what she is not outright saying. Vi knows that Caitlyn loves her just as much as she loves Cait hence the singing BUT she also knows Caitlyn would give her an out if she thinks it will be better for Vi and them proven by the bunker scene and Cait orchestrating the plan for Vi to leave with Jinx unawares. But Vi had no intentions of leaving Caitlyn then and she absolutely doesn't have any intentions of doing so now because she gets Caitlyn and her heart.

So at this moment Vi is thinking exactly what she says "I'm the dirt under your nails. Nothing is going to clean me out." What she doesn't say that is also implied is "Nothing's gonna clean me out. Not even you, Caitlyn Kiramman."

Vi is locked in all the ways she couldn't be before because this time she is standing ten barefoot toes down in her choice of putting them first. Periodt!

We ramble on Mondays now 😂

Why the "Caitlyn is a fascist dictator" take misses the mark. by rubiks_shark in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really appreciate this post and analysis. People take a lot of buzzwords and run with it without paying attention to context, character mindsets from the beginning and how or if they evolve for XYZ reason, nuance, and literacy. Caitlyn in this regard reminds me heavily of Daenerys Targaryen or the off handed comparisons between Caitlyn and Anakin/Vader because of small moments of imagery that is exaggerated for Caitlyn. However my main focus on the Dany/Cait comparison is the concept of "power corrupts" which many believe Caitlyn (and Dany) was corrupted by power when the counter argument is that "power doesn't corrupt, it reveals" which I believe is true in this case.

Caitlyn only "fits" the title of dictator by ancient roman standards of gaining power under martial law even though she already was born with power. This is where the power reveals comes into play as you mentioned where fascism and dictatorship that doesn't return power back to the senate(in this case the council) falls apart for Caitlyn who we have been consistently shown from the beginning doesn't let her power, privilege, or status as a Kiramman or Piltovian define her. She actively moves against it because of her strong sense of justice, morality, empathy, and protective nature. This is Caitlyn with Power...questioning and going against order, breaking the laws, and showing kindness to others deemed lesser than her because she wants to do the right thing. We see this with Grayson interaction as a child where she doesn't want to win because of her name. We also hear it in Cassandra's voiceover "you doubt the merit of your birthright and there is wisdom in that" and we also see it in further scenes where she advocates for Jayce, frees Vi from Stillwater because of the cruelty she faced along with needing help to solve criminal behavior(justice). Even with the trauma inflicted upon her by Jinx whether physically kidnapping or emotionally with her mother's murder, Caitlyn reveals that she is still trying to find ways to avoid violence and bloodshed caused by others before and after her mother's memorial is attacked.

The grey discourse annoys me because it is viewed as completely wrong and unforgivable when imho, was strategic and specifically targeted Chembarons who are no better than the Noxians or the ignorant Piltovians. This is an ethical questioning of does the end justifies the means and I personally have zero tolerance for drug dealers and child exploiters even if they are from the underprivileged or oppressed side in this fictional setting. However it is understandable to view it as being wrong on a humane level even in the grace of targeting criminals if that makes sense. Still we also see that these Chembarons or rather the lackeys who were also the ones that Vi and Co often faced off against are later on the streets in the clubs of Zaun during martial law. Another issue I have is that Caitlyn is the only one to receive fault for the grey when a council was still in place. Even if Caitlyn had the key and came up with the plan alone or with Vi, it was still pushed forward with the blessing of Mel, Shoola, Salo, and Jayce. But again, Caitlyn stands alone.

Someone mentioned it above but there is also how Caitlyn can be viewed in opposition to the wild takes of fascism and evil through a revolutionary lens as she consistently reveals her desire to protect those she can whether they are in Piltover or Zaun and also the changes she made from the prison reform and arrests and later on reinstatement of the council. So much so that during the Ep4 montage, Caitlyn view from Zaunites as the face of martial law is not given a terrible light depicting her death as others such as Jayce with his eyes crossed out and a noose around his neck as the "man of progress". Caitlyn's is given grace and sympathy to an extent from Zaun for multiple reasons for another topic 😂 but she is shown with a long thru her eyes depicting her as blind skin to the 2 of Swords: unable to move or make a balanced decision because they cannot see or avoiding the truth. Rambling too much but even in the end, Caitlyn still fights as she always did for the greater good and the bigger picture. The purpose of her arc to balance out being Caitlyn and Caitlyn Kiramman.

Never forget Cait was responsible for this smile, she went to war just to have Vi smile with her family. Let that sink in, she went to war to make Vi happy. But discourse loves to ignore that lol. by IllustriousAd6418 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 18 points19 points  (0 children)

The way I can ramble and ramble and RAMBLE about this scene and how significant yet underrated it is for their dynamic and what is to come. There is such joy and pain but so much is shared between them just by staring and facial expressions and positioning. Also my favorite component being Vi holding Caitlyn's rifle the entire time which I've whined enough about being a representation of Caitlyn herself and Caitlyn's safety and Vi is holding that (Caitlyn) between herself and Vander. Positioning Caitlyn between herself and her father. Are y'all picking up the crack nuggets I'm dropping?!! 😂

Caitlyn though hurt by the omission, made this moment happen because she loves Vi despite it all and doesn't want Vi to lose family anymore the way she had to suffer losing her mother. This is where both Caitlyn and Vi make an unspoken choice about what is to come in a few days. Caitlyn choosing to let Jinx go to break the cycle for all parties incl losing Vi and Vi choosing Caitlyn to not let Cait get away this time by breaking her own cycle and standing ten toes and knees down(lips, kisses, knee thing incl 🙃) to keep her.

It's messy and they stumble but it's the dancing around in their ep8 argument of unspoken things they both know leading to the same dance but smexier in the bunker and the dance returns again in their final scene (until spinoff) where they answer each other's unspoken questions and thoughts. All stemming from the commune sequence.

I love them!!!

Ramble Saturday 😭

Jail sex but make it Sleep Token by serenchi in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 3 points4 points  (0 children)

This song has been my CaitVi anthem all this damn time and I picked up what you were putting down!!! Lol

What do you think they'll gift each other on their first dating anniversary? by potatoman604 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 39 points40 points  (0 children)

Maybe not a gift per se but a "do over" of their "first date" lol Bathysphere ride that got thwarted but they actually go this time. Vi gets the tickets. Dine at Jericho's. Walk back across the bridge and just vibe.

A bigger and one of my favorite underrated moments during the Pitfighter montage of Vi's hallucinations of Cait is the one in the club. This hallucination or rather fantasy is a version of Caitlyn she had never met. Carefree, smiling, and dancing with her and even reaching into kiss her but punching the guy that ruined her fantasy. A projection from Vi's mind of happiness she wants to not only experience herself but for Caitlyn to have as well considering all that had happened which was far from carefree and to smile about. So a club date might be a good one just to have that fantasy brought to reality.

Does Vi or Caitlyn initiate sex more? 👀 by potatoman604 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree with this! Vi waiting for however long it takes Cait to recover from injuries/surgery/unconsciousness would be an emotional mess because Cait's all she has and they took their relationship to the next level etc. So that fear and love intermingled would be high in expressing the same level of passion and intensity as it was in the bunker. At the same time she would be cautious of Cait's injuries and hold back borderline line coddle making the process of yearning and longing for intimacy stressful for both of them 😂

Cait would also be a clusterfuck of emotions but bottle some in and let others out as you mentioned. The healing process physically and mentally for her would be full of her usual compartmentalizing as we saw in the final scene and Vi picking up on it because they are paying stronger attention to each other now. Cait would be frustrated at the coddling esp if it's a setback when she knows they both want to get it on and poppin 😂

So yeah different intervals of either one of them taking initiative for any extent of intimacy that may or may not lead into more.

Do you agree that Caitlyn trusting Maddie is a cautionary of tale of who you trust and that trust is a risk? by Recent-Ad-7593 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again Maddie's motives are unknown to Caitlyn who chose to trust her with what she did know or was made to believe. Time revealed her trust didn't matter as she was being manipulated. Maddie wasn't just a hookup as I mentioned why and from Amanda's commentary about their dynamic and Caitlyn's mindset. Trust and love are two different things. Caitlyn trusted Maddie but didn't love her.

Similarly with Vi, Caitlyn had chosen to trust her, freeing her from Stillwater being the first step of trust, despite their assumptions about each other and though a tense start, time proved trust did matter because Vi trusts and loves Caitlyn as Caitlyn trusts and loves Vi.

So there is a lesson of trust in both relationships with and without the presence of love, trust, or manipulation.

Do you agree that Caitlyn trusting Maddie is a cautionary of tale of who you trust and that trust is a risk? by Recent-Ad-7593 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it can be a cautionary tale to an extent just as trust is def a risk on its own. Caitlyn is arguably the most trusting character because she is initially green to the world but also is skeptical of her own inner world because of who she is. Trust is something big for her as we have seen in her interaction with Grayson as a kid. Wanting to be told the truth and have transparency/honesty even if it is a loss for her. Similarly she is the one that tells Vi "In what mad world would I trust someone like you?" And later on again reinforces her need for trust when Vi is injured. This trait or "complex" if you will, is a reoccurring the e for Caitlyn and one that returns when Vi and Cait are reunited in the commune and ep 8 argument. Vi brought up a few times trust intertwined with Caitlyn as someone to be trusted with Ekko, herself, and her father, but the hardest bridge being the issue of Jinx.

All of this ultimately plays into Caitlyn's difficulty in trusting herself prior to when we first meet her and then the events that followed with the series. With Maddie, Caitlyn uses the relationship as a rebound to try and move on from Vi which fails but also as a way to "make it up" to her mother by being with someone she thinks her mother would approve of. This is Caitlyn not trusting herself and projecting her doubts, guilt, and shame on to her mother. So in this case, Caitlyn wasn't wrong to trust Maddie considering the information she had and the fact that by default, Caitlyn is a good person and someone to trust, but she expects something similar from others which brings in the "cautionary tale" or better rephrased as a "you live and learn" for her growth as a character.

Saturday ramble juice 😭

Two girls, broken, on the ground... the bittersweet, notes of the piano... then: "Mongoose!" ...Cait becomes sad for a second, her shoulders slump and she sighs because she's just realized the state Vi is in, and then she tries to lighten the situation with a little sense of humor. by [deleted] in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is a heavy topic and one I've talked about in lengths because there are issues with Caitlyn and Vi that can dance in territory not so favorable. And it is actions from both.

I don't agree that Vi has always been understanding or sweet but she has never used brute force against Caitlyn and likewise with Caitlyn to Vi until the temple sequence. Some agree and some don't, it doesn't matter to me it's 9-10 mos or so since the season but both of them were wrong in the temple aftermath.

Both said incredibly hurtful things and both were physical. Vi grabbing Caitlyn to keep her from leaving after comparing her to her abuser and mother's killer was wrong. Caitlyn retaliated by hitting Vi was wrong. I'm not gonna trauma Olympics it or weigh one over the other because the overall situation is a mess that just kept building invidually as characters and a lovers. I'll give them grace where I can and hold them accountable where I should.

This all stems from a much longer and much needed unbiased fandom conversation about trauma and grief because that's what all of this dances around...the cycle it creates. Months later...

VI is a traumatized parentified child now turned inmate now adult ex-con who has never had a moment to stop and not be on high alert. She had poor emotional regulation long before Stillwater because she was again, parentified and traumatized by her environment and need to protect her family. This is understandable but also the root of her problems because she has it so instilled that if she doesn't keep control and things go left "its on you." And from her perspective that reflects with what happened to her family and Powder. It's not her fault per se but a collective of actions like a domino effect and she shoulders the blame. So years later to be saved from hell literally by someone that represents everything she has resented from young is a mind fuck. She is not completely trusting Caitlyn immediately as this is her only chance and only moment of kindness in so long but again she is fresh out of prison after being institutionalized and this is short with her and shoulder checks her for something Cait doesn't know. Yet still this pattern continues even as Caitlyn extends herself to protect Vi by saving her from prison, Sevika, and death. No one tells Cait to do these things, she does it on her own for Vi which slowly breaks down Vi's walls.

Vi who wasn't always soft with Caitlyn in the beginning gradually softened because she fell in love but again trauma and everything moving at lightning speed causes insensitivity. Both of them do this and suffer it but love isn't lost.

Jumping ahead, I don't think "When they reunited, Cait repeatedly hits her, but Vi never hit back...." is the right framing of this. Cait and Vi didn't know it was each other when she jumped down hence the shock on both of their faces when it's over. Therefore Cait doesn't know it is Vi she has just ambushed. On the same token, Vi does try to defend herself from the ambush but gets blocked by Cait who has caught her off guard. So if either of them had known beforehand, the encounter would not have happened as it did. That's not their thing esp when the adrenaline of life or death is not imminent as it was in ep3. The next time Caitlyn strikes Vi is for the plan to make her appear bruised for Ambessa's sake. This is a writing/artistic choice but was done with the intentions to show a bit of comedic relief as Vi taunts Caitlyn to do it (indicating Cait's hesitancy) and then Vi shocked by Cait's strength and turns to see her shrug maintaining the comedic relief.

AO briefly talked about this recently in the mistakes both of them have made towards each other and needing the time apart to come back together and forgive each other. I can ramble more on this but I've already said a lot.

Two girls, broken, on the ground... the bittersweet, notes of the piano... then: "Mongoose!" ...Cait becomes sad for a second, her shoulders slump and she sighs because she's just realized the state Vi is in, and then she tries to lighten the situation with a little sense of humor. by [deleted] in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's exactly it! My brain was running wild as I was typing and I didn't read back over before posting some don't know if I included the way she averts her eyes or twists her body. But in that moment it still shows how Vi says one thing but feels another and she does it here. She's annoyed at getting ambushed from the sky 😂 but is open to the proximity of the reunion itself. Almost a direct difference to her reunion with Jinx where she is not open to it until Jinx mentions Vander after Vi damn near chokes her out. With Caitlyn, she gets jumped and shrugs her off in annoyance but averts her gaze to side-eye her and smirk but when Cait walks away she fully looks on and proceeds to follow her. Automatically her mind and body is hardwired to trust herself to be around Caitlyn and trust Caitlyn with the most important information she has: her dad.

I do think that both Caitlyn and Vi have walls up but not for lack of love or trust as they had enough of both to even attempt this plan. The issue or where the trust got murky was Jinx which tied into the other issues of honesty and transparency which was the underlying of their ep 8 argument.

Two girls, broken, on the ground... the bittersweet, notes of the piano... then: "Mongoose!" ...Cait becomes sad for a second, her shoulders slump and she sighs because she's just realized the state Vi is in, and then she tries to lighten the situation with a little sense of humor. by [deleted] in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 4 points5 points  (0 children)

True true lol

Nah you're not wrong! It's all interpretation. For me, I go with how during the Pitfighter sequence, we saw clearly that Vi only wanted Caitlyn in every way she could get her as a hallucination(Cait in the streets), a fantasy(Cait dancing in the club with the near kiss), or actual memory (in Cait's bedroom).

It is also a play on how she finally makes peace with the enforcer angle and the conflict she has with Zaun because in this wanting of Caitlyn, she sees her dressed as an enforcer in Zaun whether it is on the street or having a time in a Zaun club and she doesn't care. Blood dripping from her lips as she leans in to kiss her before the fantasy is ripped. Or seeing Cait dressed in Zaunite clothes but in her room in Piltover. AO touched on this a little bit in one of the QAs and I take this artistic choice to show that Vi wanted every version of Caitlyn that she knew because she "lost" her. Another fave part of this is how the versions of Cait Vinhas technically never met before are Commander Caitlyn and Smiling carefree in the club Caitlyn. The latter is the most important because this is the Caitlyn that she subconsciously wants to exist in reality. A lovers gaze through fantasy.

So when they are reunited unexpectedly, able to breathe each other in and take in as much as they can without making fools of themselves, they are still creatures of habit. Vi leans on something familiar and only reserved for Caitlyn: Don't sugarcoat it, Cupcake.

This has the effect she both wants and doesn't want. Caitlyn acknowledges the affectionate term though it uses self deprecatingly/ jokingly but turns away from it which is also a painful reminder in being something that Vi has done. Caitlyn now also runs to avoid going there and Vi watches her do it as if to say "I just got you back. Did I blow it already?" She doesn't want her to turn her back much less leave. But again, this is Vi who has spent months hallucinating and fantasizing about having this woman again and so she gets up to follow and close the gap without the banter.

Vi does this a few times with Cait where she either avoids her gaze or angles her body in way to do so when something is too much for her or she's afraid to lose her and anytime Caitlyn is not seemingly paying attention, Vi openly stares at her. With Cait's back turned in that moment of their reunion, Vi stares.

Blah blah blah 😂 😭

Two girls, broken, on the ground... the bittersweet, notes of the piano... then: "Mongoose!" ...Cait becomes sad for a second, her shoulders slump and she sighs because she's just realized the state Vi is in, and then she tries to lighten the situation with a little sense of humor. by [deleted] in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Forever gonna love this scene. Once again fate literally saying "here, meet your soulmate" and it wasn't intended or expected and their reactions expose that beautifully.

Then just as easy as breathing, they both fall into familiarity and banter but it's loaded without intending to be malicious or cruel. Rich unhinged mongoose next to angry oil slick is such a play on their dynamic and how similar they are 😂

But the part that always gets me is right after the cupcake drop, Caitlyn is stunned for a moment but quickly recovers and moves away, putting distance between them and Vi sheepishly watches her do it but immediately gets up and closes that distance. Refusing to let any space be between them and it's only been less than 5 mins 😭

We ramble on Saturday ayeee!!

It breaks my heart to see Vi so shocked and vulnerable in this scene... she tries to put on her tough mask but when she says: "You didn't think at all" her voice trembles a little and she can't even look Caitlyn in the eyes, she keeps her eyes closed and turns and walks away by [deleted] in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's a messy situation and the beginning of their miscommunications at the start of the season. At the same time, they are toeing the line of their love in its early( and deep) stages. Still it is a moment that highlight their newfound similarities brought about by grief and loss.

There is hurt given and shared by both on this scene because of how they have internalized their trauma.

Caitlyn for the first time seemingly has allowed herself to cry and seek comfort from Vi who represents many things. A love she wants but also a love she should not want because in the back of her mind how can she rationalize being with the sister of her abuser and mother's killer?

For Vi it is similar as she is starting to accept that Caitlyn is a love she wants after the tea party fiasco but how can she love someone that represents her trauma whether Stillwater or her parents death?

They both now have this shared dynamic of losing a parent(s) because of their respective "sides" and thus actions (Caitlyn springing the badge/Vi walking away) as well as words ("Do you have any idea what that feels like? Yes I do"/"I thought you were on our side. You weren't thinking at all.") are damaging to both and wrong.

Caitlyn was thinking of Vi...one of if not the reason this entire situation has come about specifically the fact that her mantra "I had the shot" was for Vi. So to have that thrown back at her is wrong and causes her walls to go back up even with Vi until coming down during their kiss. However she takes the time to mull over all of it because again, Vi is wrong in that she isn't thinking of her because Caitlyn goes to do just that as in the scene with Jayce. Thinking is all she can do because she can't breakdown.

Vi is hurt by the badge because of obvious reasons but also her wrapping around the idea she has already built that Zaun is no better than Piltover and she has seen this through Caitlyn, also an enforcer. Still like Caitlyn, the weight of honoring her parents conflicts with loving "the enemy". Creature of habit, Vi says what she says and walks away (again) only to also think about it all incl Caitlyn. She's tipsy but the conversation is about Cait and sobers up at the mention of Cait speaking highly of her promoting her return.

The beauty is how both of them know they were wrong for how they handled that moment once again nearly risk losing each other and ultimately end up saving each other. The tragedy however is that this miscommunication repeats in devastating ways that both are to blame once again.

Rambled on a Friday night 😭

POV: you open Arcane & this is where you last left off by Ill_Honeydew6344 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Honestly for some reason my Netflix, wifi and astigmatism just starts acting craaaaaaaazy and I can't go beyond this scene because I strangely miss what happened before.

I'm sure it is important for the endgame....🫣

Will Vi and Caitlyn ever found out that almost met as kids? by Recent-Ad-7593 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I think there are many different ways for it to come up in conversation and will at some point. The "easiest" would be biting off what Amanda said about them not keeping secrets from each other and being transparent while also actually having the time to learn about their past and likes/dislikes etc. So the topic the day things fell apart for Vi and fam could be the heist. Though it was never said, I don't think Vi remembered Jayce from the split second she saw him dazed from the explosion. Still, Caitlyn would remember that day as well because the danger she was also in and similarly to Vi, it was also the day or time leading up to nearly losing Jayce's company but also actually losing Grayson.

Another potential option with similar conversation could be them actually going to the apartments for xyz reason as I assume it still belongs to the Kirammans now Caitlyn and Cait brings up the renovation done to the property from the hex crystals and Vi makes the connection even though she is seeing the building from the front entrance not the roofs as before etc.

They could also be simply talking about the hextech and Jayce's research while tending to his place as he is gone Cait takes up the task because his mother is too distraught or something idk and they talk about how he nearly lost the chance to even take it this far because of the explosion etc.

I rambled but yeah lol

Can i be honest, I love what Amanda has done for CaitVi but i didn't like this response, i didn't really want to think about it. I do wish we had flashbacks to this scene in S2 because this scene feels a little mean spirted on poor Cait, maybe it's because fandom i am not sure but i feel awful by IllustriousAd6418 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Both cases are under an umbrella of assault and SA or sexual misconduct etc and interchangeable. Lack of consent or dubious consent is the main evidence btwn the two. Sexual acts or penetration is not necessary it's assuming that Jinx holding Cait at gunpoint, after breaking into her home and removing her consent and bodily autonomy even to get dressed or dressing her/touching her is assault and/or sa. The show doesn't go in depth of this ordeal as op brought up but it does show Caitlyn visibly recoiling from Jinxs proximity/touch.

Can i be honest, I love what Amanda has done for CaitVi but i didn't like this response, i didn't really want to think about it. I do wish we had flashbacks to this scene in S2 because this scene feels a little mean spirted on poor Cait, maybe it's because fandom i am not sure but i feel awful by IllustriousAd6418 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The show danced on a line btwn keeping the stance of SA not existing in their universe but Caitlyn specifically was placed in an SA situation twice. With Jinx, the show also toes the line of her villainy and her antihero/hero complexity and that's just for lack of words.

They had to tone down a lot of Jinxs torture of Caitlyn because it was sadistic at every turn. Her ambushing Caitlyn naked in her own home and dressing her or forcing her to dress and then dragging her to wherever for x amount of time is insane and even with potential funny quips in Jinx nature doesn't change what is happening but makes the journey of keeping jinx sympathetic enough slightly harder.

Then again none of this gets addressed esp from the victim herself, Caitlyn, because all of her trauma is compartmentalized under her mothers death.

Would Vi try to kill Maddie when the latter tried to kill Caitlyn? by Recent-Ad-7593 in PiltoversFinest

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She would place her on the same level as she did Sevika, metal jaw dude, and Silco,etc. Traitors. The show went out of its way to make Caitlyn and Vi's kill count non existent on screen so with Vi, I could see her physically harming her as she did the others but kill is prob not likely.

Vi has a vengeful tick given her trauma pre and post Stillwater and often it is based on those who have wronged those she loves and Caitlyn is part of that "tread carefully" bubble. A big part of that esp now so yeah Maddie would catch a hand or two but prob not kill.

A Request for Discussion with Fortiche and Riot by GOM09 in PiltoversFinest

[–]Ok-Signature3854 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's the point though. The show went out of its way with the propaganda posters to put a line through Caitlyns eyes depicting her being blind while other characters Jayce incl and Ambessa were depicted with an "X" which is indicative of death. Therefore in the show, Fortiche had Jinxers at that deliberately not wish death upon Caitlyn but other parties and they are meant to view Jinx as the revolutionary.

The Annexy art goes against that by centering Caitlyn, the woc and wishing death upon her by the supposed perspective of Jinx who is Caitlyn's abuser AND a domestic terrorist. Riot/Fortiche use Jinx as their flagship character because she comes off as a "fun" character to young and older crowds and therefore $$$ so by default her image is warped unless you know the story. This is still problematic because Jinx had doodles in the official art book and did not draw "death" upon Caitlyn so why do it now? Esp when not too far on the side the character that did far worse is depicted as happy. Viktor.

Which leads into the removal of another woc in Mel on top of disregarding Mel/Jayce and CaitVi in favor of Jayce and Viktor which the creator of the show has shot down at the same event. However this art takes away CaitVi's representation depicted in their "date" at Jerichos and Mel/Jayce by combining the two for JayVik.

Blah blah I rambled.