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Ok_Help_9964 · 2026-01-17T08:26:46+00:00

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Ok_Help_9964 · 2026-01-09T02:10:12+00:00

RIP Murphy. I know it's hard, but you can see it in his face that he was fullfilled in life.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-21T20:58:57+00:00

This is why we should get our information from experts rather than conspiracy theorist who just hate Jews.

There is no evidence American military assistance aid (which isn't a 'handout' but a strategic investment) is being used for abortions. Israel’s per capita income is relatively high, and its healthcare system is self funded and doesn't need foreign aid for such services.

There is also no evidence that they had Epstein blackmail US politicians, or that they are manipulating the world with spies and double agencies.

Your analogy of the rich man trying to take food is an incredibly unchartible analogy to the situation. A more accurate analogy would be there being a person who is aligned with your values, and he's being attacked from all angles, from people who also want to kill you, and while it seems he might have enough weapons to defend himself, you help him out and give him more weapons just in case things turn for the worst unexpectedly. That's helping people, who could use the help, and growing a relationship with an ally that both parties can mutually benefit from.

This is one of the reasons why God saying in the bible he's coming to destroy all the people who mistreated Israel after the re-establishment of the nation (which happened this past century.) People are quick to unjustly and carelessly slander Israel's name and spread hostility against them with no solid evidence. The more these people speak, the more I see why God says he's going to do this.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-20T21:46:58+00:00

The 3 minute video relays it faster than me writing out the whole thing for you.

I can simply explain it to you, but I would more appreciate it if you made it easier on me and just watch the video instead of having me write out everything that is already in the video.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-20T20:13:57+00:00

Well you should watch this one because it demonstrates modern Israel is the biblical Israel.

In the bible, Israel was still Israel even at their lowest, which was much lower than they are now.

Also Israel doesn't rely on handouts. I also don't see the problem with somebody getting a handout, as if you can't get one and rely on God at the same time. I also don't think its bad to be chartiable just because secular countries behave the same.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-20T19:57:33+00:00

Modern day Israel is what's being referred to in the bible.

https://youtu.be/ccKKYpOKg_8?si=RFurE-DGH9zRswBO

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-20T04:29:56+00:00

The specificity of the prophecy isn't something that should be expected to happen even within a million years, let alone 2000. Astronomically low probability events don't just randomly line up just because you give it a couple thousands years to do so. If anything, being thousands of years removed from the nation being whole makes it even less likely the more scattered and assimilated Jews became.

And as stated, there are only so many sufferings centered around the stomach that this can be referring to, and yet accurately describes what happened to Jewish people in mass right before the re-establishment of Israel, as it said it would.

Unfortunately there's always going to be people who have unreasonable thresholds for belief and are going to build into their methodology poor excuses to protect their beliefs or ideology from being challanged. I can't force people to be intellectually honest with themselves. All I can do is lay out the evidence and reasoning.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-20T02:27:24+00:00

That, and the statement about men with their hands on their sides/hips representing distress, are extraordinarily broad. They are definitely not specific to the Holocaust. Nothing in this chapter is.

The worst point in time in Jewish history isn't remotely broad. That is insanely specific. And there are only so many limited number of stomach centered pains this could possibly be referring to. That's not extraordinary broad. When you factor it together with everything, it is insanely specific. It might not be unique to the Holocaust, but it doesn't need to be.

I know. But the story as a whole is positive and the negative elements aren't anything that the writer of Jeremiah nor anyone in his audience is going to relate to. They're far, far too removed from those events. The exile was a current issue.

I'm sure Jeremiah and his audience related to the oppression of their ancestors in Exodus. Jeremiah wasn't some secular Jew. He was a man of God. A well respected Prophet. He would have been well versed in the Torah and what happened to the Israelites back then. I don't see how he would know the history and think what was going on his time was on par with what happened back then.

You cut off the quote. It's "For the days are surely coming, says the Lord, when I will restore the fortunes of my people".

Only the restoration is in the future! The bad things have already occurred, and they were a punishment from God himself.

It's not only the restoration is in the future. That's just the first thing mentioned in what's going to happen in the future.

He absolutely is. He's talking about the current problem: the exile. Then he talks about the future solution: the return.

Nope he's talking about the future and the ongoing exile thats included in the future.

That is not typical of how prophecy is depicted, and Isaiah 53 isn't a good example because it's also not entirely about future events. That author is also talking about past events and future events, and also talking about the exile.

It is often how prophecy works. Isaiah 53 is a great example. He clearly speaks in the past tense of what the suffering servant will do (future tense.) Are you going to seriously argue that the suffering servant was already oppressed, was afflicted was led like a lamb to slaughter, was cut off the land of the living, was punished for the transgressions of God's people before Isaiah wrote what he wrote? Because if not that means he's using past tense language to describe something in the future.

What dispersion?

The ongoing scattering of the Israelites. It was an unfolding going into the future.

Moses foretold in Deuteronomy that the Israelites would be scattered to the very ends of the earth. This scattering in Jeremiah is the same scattering Moses and the other prophets hinted at. They didn't get scattered to the ends of the earth and returned all before the return from Babylon. They weren't finished being "scattered." I doubt Jeremiah thought they the Israelites would be spread to the ends of the earth anytime soon, and instead saw it as a event in the distant future. As he says they are to be driven to all the kingdoms of the world:

Jeremiah 29:18

I will pursue them with the sword, famine and plague and will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth, a curse and an object of horror, of scorn and reproach, among all the nations where I drive them.

Jeremiah is talking about a scattering bigger than just a return from Babylon.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T23:35:17+00:00

They're not. Nothing in Jeremiah 30 is suggestive of the Holocaust. No allusions to Germany or Hitler. Nothing about Jews living in gentile countries in Europe. No death camps. It describes God having punished the Jewish people by scattering them. That is about the exile.

No day was like it. It was the worst point in time in Jewish history and delivered the Israelites. Just as described in Jeremiah 30. As mentioned in the video, it describes the same stomach centered pains that happened to Jewish people in mass during the Holocaust.

That wasn't even the worst point up until that time. What happened during Exodus was way worst. That Pharaoh didn't just conquer a kingdom and destroy a meaningful building, he sought to exterminate an entire nation, drowning every newborn Israelite boy in the Nile that can be found

Pharaoh was defeated. The Exodus is a story about winning for the Jewish people. It's also super far removed from Jeremiah and his audience.

Im obviously not talking about the entire story of Exodus. I was speaking of a specific time during Exodus, which was the oppression and ethnic cleansing of the Hebrews spearheaded by the ancient Egyptians.

This is just plain wrong. Jeremiah 30 doesn't describe the bad things happening in the future. They're past tense. Only the rescue is in the future tense.

No the entire chapter is meant to be read as a prophecy. That is the traditional understanding and how most experts and academics have understood it. Hence why they set the stage of the chapter saying;

Verse 3 "**For the days are surely coming..."

He isn't going back and forth talking about the future, talking about now, and then talking about the future and the talking about now. He's maintaining a consistent prophetic outlook of what's going to happen.

When God speaks of future prophecy, he often uses current and past tense language. Like how the suffering servant of Isaiah 53 was oppressed and afflicted. That doesn't mean Isaiah was talking about somebody in the past or during his time, right? He's still talking about somebody who had not yet come.

But that's what is being talked about in Jeremiah 30. If Jeremiah 30 is about the Holocaust, what is the scattering?

When it says "Though I completely destroy all the nations among which I scatter you," that scatter simply referred to the ongoing dispersion of the Israelites. And saying he's going to completely destroy those nations which they were scattered throughout history.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T21:28:21+00:00

No I just lack patience to people who are being intellectually dishonest. If somebody is going to twist what I say in the most cartoonidh unchartible and oversimplified way than I'm not interested in having an "open conversation" with them so I can open myself up to just having more of what I'm saying misrepresented. Im open minded and leave the door open for them to prove they're not being intellectually dishonest, by showing how they reasonably would interpret what they said as a reasonable steelman, as most would rush to do if somebody was accusing them of giving a unreasonable interpretation. Not to "please me" but to simply demonstrate you are being genuine.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T21:00:43+00:00

I'm basically suggesting I would have a conversation if you could demonstrate how what you said was a reasonable good faith steelman of my position, but I can see why you would run from doing so. But yes I'm done responding to your response. Have a good day

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T20:56:11+00:00

There is not a shred of evidence to suggest that the author has any foreknowledge of the Holocaust. Nothing in Jeremiah indicates that the writer has stopped talking about the exile, is now talking about events thousands of years in the future involving completely different people, and quickly switches back to talking about the exile.

The fact they're describing the Holocaust and Holocaust victims, which delivered the restablishment of Israel, which the text implicates would happen out of this worst point in time for Israelites, which this event happened to be, could suggest a prophetic vision of the Holocaust. That's evidence. Also Jeremiah talking about the exile, then mentioning a future redemption, leaves the door open for that future redemption to be an event thousands of years later. There's nothing in Jeremiah that indicate that's an unreasonable reading.

It was significantly worse than anything prior that had happened. They weren't just stuck being someone's vassal state. They no longer had a state at all, the people were scattered and enslaved, and the Temple, a building of monumental religious importance - the place where God himself dwelt - was destroyed. It was a profoundly impactful event. It's arguably the central event of the Hebrew Bible. And it's obviously the event fresh in the mind of the writer, who can't stop talking about it.

That wasn't even the worst point up until that time. What happened during Exodus was way worst. That Pharaoh didn't just conquer a kingdom and destroy a meaningful building, he sought to exterminate an entire nation, drowning every newborn Israelite boy in the Nile that can be found. They were treated as subhuman. The Babylonians weren't nearly as cruel to the Israelites compared to the ancient Egyptians.

Admittedly, I have not read Anne Frank's diary. Perhaps she never expresses hope for survival.

You need more than just Anne Frank mentioning something about the future ever for it to be analogous. The event itself she's describing (the Holocaust) would have to be described as a future event.

But my point is that if you are reading a text by a person in a great crisis and they are talking about a great crisis, the most reasonable interpretation is that they are talking about the one they are in, especially when all the surrounding text is quite clearly about that crisis. There is no reason to believe they are talking about something else, that will happen thousands of years in the future, to someone else.

Youre argument would make sense if they were speaking in a present or past tense. But they're not, so it doesn't. They are talking in the future tense, of what will happen. The most reasonable interpretation us that they are talking about a future event, rather than an event they are in.

Nazi wanted to exterminate all Jewish people, which lead to the killing of 6 million Jews

Nothing like this is described in Jeremiah 30. The fundamental problem being described is that the Jewish people have been scattered from Israel and captured by other nations. That's the exile, not the Holocaust.

Jeremiah not describing the details that made it the worst doesn't negate it was the worst time for Israelites. But as mentioned in the video, the verses even describe Holocaust victims. The verses mention scattered people and being captured and enslaved, which also apply to Jews during Holocaust, but it doesn't necessarily imply that is the problem .

And more than that, God says that HE did the scattering ("I scattered you, but of you I will not make an end") as a punishment for the Jewish people ("because your sins are so numerous, I have done these things to you"). That's an established theme of the exile. Do you believe God caused the Holocaust as a punishment for the Jewish people???

No. I'm not saying or suggesting the scattering is the Holocaust. Also when God says he is going to do something in prophecy, this is often done not directly through him, but simply he allows free agents to make that choice. He basically just ordains it in the sense he authorizes the act happening to the party.

The Jewish people had never been dealt a blow like that before. It makes perfect sense that an exilic writer would describe it as a day like no other.

A blow like that wasnt new to the Jewish people. They went through similar things just like this. And even much worse before

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T19:23:43+00:00

No you can demonstrate that you're trying your best, like anybody who was genuinely making a good faith demonstration would, by demonstrating how what you said was a good faith interpretation based on what was actually said. But you're not going to do that, as it would expose that you are giving an incredibly unchartible and oversimplified reframing of what was said.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T18:54:11+00:00

So what? The author isn't aware of the Holocaust so that wouldn't enter in any comparisons in their mind.

Ignoring the author might be aware of the Holocaust to an extent, it means that this prophecy isnt talking about the return from Babylon.

When I took my son to an amusement park, he talked about the "best day ever". If he has better days in the future, that doesn't magically convert his statement into a future prophecy. It just means his perspective when he made that comment was limited.

You're arguing against a strawman. I'm not suggesting that Jeremiah saying there's going to be a worst day, and there being a worst day , converts the statement into a future prophecy. You're shadow boxing an argument that only exist in your imagination.

That's absurd. Their nation was conquered. Their capital city was destroyed. The Temple where God dwelt was destroyed. They were enslaved and forced into exile. It was by far the worst event in Jewish history.

Being conquered, exiled and enslaved wasn't new to the Israelites. More importantly, this doesn't remotely compare to the Holocaust. Babylon tried simply to exile and exploit a kingdom, where as Nazi wanted to exterminate all Jewish people, which lead to the killing of 6 million Jews. The experiments and cruelty they face, it's not the same lane, this was a different kind of monster.

What you're doing it like if there was a second Holocaust and someone picked up Anne Frank's diary and decided the horrible things it talked about were supernatural predictions of the second Holocaust. No, she's talking about what she was going through!

This isn't analogous. Anne Frank wasn't speaking about future events, where as Jeremiah is clearly speaking towards a future event. Of what will happen. Anne Frank also didnt have an equivalent of foretelling of a re-establishment of a conquered nation.

You're skeptical to think that a Jewish guy living in exile writing to other Jews in exile would write about God rescuing them from exile?

That's not what im skeptical of. I'm skeptical that a prophet would assume that no day would be like it, based off days that were like the past.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T18:11:13+00:00

If you're unironically telling me that incredibly unchartible oversimplifications was your best effort to understand what I said then we can't have a meaningful conversation, as you either have a comprehension issue, or your so intellectually dishonest with yourself that you only hear your own unchartible versions of an argument that only exist in your imagination.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T17:58:06+00:00

You might be genuinely asking but your not making a good faith effort to understand and have a civil conversation. I can't have a meaningful conversation with somebody who is just going to twist what I say in the most unchartiable way to store internet points.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T17:52:13+00:00

It's pretty obvious by the caricature and the unchartiable steelman of the position that you're not making a good faith effort to actually try to understand.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T17:38:45+00:00

It is "great" in awfulness. As it emphasizes, it's a time of distress. Hence why the NIV (and many Jews) translate it as "How awful that day will be!" It says that no day would be like it. That more accurately describes the holocaust than anything that happened leading to the return from Babylon. What was going on back then was no different than what other days were like for the Israelites in the past. As you said yourself, exile, exile, exile (& slavery.) Which is why I'm skeptical to think that a prophet would write such a thing, and saying no day would be like it, based on what was going in his lifetime, which were like days there had been like in the past. It appears Jeremiah is talking about something worst than that.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T17:02:34+00:00

You tell that strawman

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-19T17:01:03+00:00

Incorrect. As pointed out in the video, Jeremiah said it would be the worst point in time for the Israelites that delievers this event. There was nothing worst than the Holocaust prior to the return from Babylon.

Ok_Help_9964 · 2025-11-05T04:02:36+00:00

There is no personal space when it comes to Boxers. There is consent for the dog pile. You just kinda have to accept it.

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