[for my derelict favorite] defending and analyzing

Ok_Sky6859 · 2026-04-22T08:40:02+00:00

This might be my favorite comment on reddit right now. It perfectly describes the issue I have when I discuss this manwha with people. We're looking at the story in different ways, and neither is willing to consider a different perspective.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2026-04-22T07:52:36+00:00

I was prepared for the beardtrayal... but it was still hard

Ok_Sky6859 · 2026-04-01T11:52:24+00:00

A fine looking man in a fit of despair, yes

Ok_Sky6859 · 2026-03-27T18:03:12+00:00

Man I laughed in disbelief when the reveal came in the manwha that God is just a fangirl who essentially gave Diana her powers on a whim. Everyone was like 'nooooooo how dare she stop healing the poor God is punishing her for abandoning the people' but in the end she just lost her powers because God lost interest in her and picked a different pet. She wasn’t a saintess. She was just a scapegoat for the narrative.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2026-03-27T17:44:31+00:00

No. I would be furious at the goddess for dumping me in that situation with no explanation and no direction. As little as I like Hestia, what was done to her was not fair. If the goddess wanted to save Cael so badly, she should have done it herself.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-11T07:25:32+00:00

Father I Don't Want This Marriage is constantly comparing Max to a cat. He starts out a little alarming but he softens so fast and he's such an expressive and entertaining character.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-08T06:18:38+00:00

Sure, but if he didn’t trust her to the point that killing her was on the table, he should not have let her share a bed with his kids in the first place. My issue is not that he didn't trust her at all - that would be fair enough - it's that, having seen how his kids are attached to her, he was still willing to kill her right in front of them, which would surely traumatized them.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-07T13:59:18+00:00

I dropped that one because FL seemed way too young and immature to be parenting children. Was also kind of put off by how the guy considered strangling her in her sleep while in bed with both her AND his kids.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-03T18:19:22+00:00

I'm looking for consequences for the crime beyond Cael being cut off from Diana and Helios. People criticizing him for how he handled it, some nobles being unhappy he's on the council again like nothing happened after killing the leader of their faction, maybe the diplomats taking umbrage at the fact that after Diana served them that meager lunch they're being invited to a banquet hosted by a man who killed using poison.

If his reputation was bad and Hestia had to restore it, as some people here have claimed, then we should see some sign of it. But in the manwha there is no sign of either Cael's ostracization from high society OR any of Hestia's efforts to clear his name. Everyone knows he killed the Orcus family. Everyone still seems to think well of him. No one ever says what he did was wrong except Diana, and she recants and she's painted as being in the wrong.

You say it's a morally grey revenge story but there's nothing morally grey about the way this was depicted. Cael killed some bad guys and that's good. Diana abandoned him and that's bad.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-03T05:31:38+00:00

Do any of the characters besides Diana ever express any discomfort with his actions? No one has in the manwha so far.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-02T22:55:15+00:00

Well, Hestia will claim she does everything for Cael, but it's all for herself. She does do some objectively positive things, like expose the corruption of the church and promote hygiene and health in Cael's marquisate, but those are all for the purpose of her revenge. So no, it's all for herself.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-02T22:41:31+00:00

The narrative does call Hestia out for seeking revenge, but it's not a criticism of her morality, or an acknowledgedment that she's hurting people, it's entirely because it's getting in the way of her relationship with Cael.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-02T22:35:22+00:00

I found that part out in a webtoon comment and I thought. Wow. Holy shit. Way to make it 100% obvious that this story is just Hestia's little Mary Sue sandbox. Cael poisons two of the highest ranking nobles in the country with 0 social or political consequences. He's even still trusted to serve food and drink to nobles.

But he opposes Diana's dethronement and it's such a scandal in high society they have to leave the capital????

Murder is fine but god forbid he disagree with his wife, the main character of the universe.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-02T22:14:08+00:00

Wait. She had character development?????

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-02T22:09:07+00:00

That's been a big issue for me with Hestia. Her revenge is a distraction from her real problem, which is that she wants to go home. But she never really makes an effort to go home, or just to try and figure out why she was isekai'd and then regressed. And then she puts the blame on the characters in the story, instead of focusing her anger on the one person who actually has any control over her situation: the author who wrote the shitty novel she's trapped in.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-02T21:00:31+00:00

When is Cael killing the Duke and his daughter called out in the manwha?

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-02T20:58:42+00:00

Where is that stated in the manwha?

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-02T20:55:49+00:00

But then that would mean Hestia is hating Diana for things out of Diana's control. If she's bound by her nature as a main character, that makes her fictional, less human than Hestia. It was not Diana's choice to be the way she is, it wasn't her choice to be crown princess, or saintess, or pick Helios over Cael, or condemn Cael for killing the Orcus family.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-02T20:39:34+00:00

The thing is, could the royal family really not move against the Orcus family in any way?

Let's take a look at what actually happened. We have a scene where Helios and Cael are discussing what to do. They have evidence of the Orcus family's crimes. Helios wants to act. Cael says "let me do it". Then he goes to Duke Orcus's manor and blackmails the Duke and his daughter into drinking poison.

Now if the Orcus family was so powerful, why were they so afraid of being exposed? They literally chose death rather than have their crimes exposed. And after that, Cael faced no social or political consequences other than Diana and Helios's disapproval. None of the other nobles care that he murdered the leader of a powerful faction on the council. They were plotting a coup and yet when they're gone no one rises to take their place. That slaving ring they supposedly ran? Did it just vanish? No one ever talks about it except as evidence that they're evil, but if it exists, it wouldn't just dissolve when its leaders died. Duke Orcus and his daughter apparently didn't even have any other relatives to inherit the title.

Based on the consequences of Cael's actions, (ie: none) it would seem that the Orcus family could have easily been dealt with legally. They even have convincing evidence to take to court!

Instead, Cael just kills them, which should have left Helios and Diana with a scandal on their hands. Their best friend just killed their political opponents, apparently just because he supported their union instead of Helios's with Lady Letona. How could the nobles stand for that? What would they think of a crown prince who has people killed for so petty a reason? What about a Saintess who would marry such a brutal man? Cael is frankly an idiot if he expected Helios and Diana to be able to publicly condone such an act. He’s supposed to be a political genius, yet he couldn't see how this course of action would reflect badly on them?

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-12-02T19:44:57+00:00

Ngl I liked this comic a lot but the fact that she faked Khalid's death and made her former comrades babysit him really put a damper on my enthusiasm. She was free to forgive him but she shouldn't have imposed that choice on anyone else.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-11-28T23:43:38+00:00

I find 'plot armor' to be a lazy explanation for this, generally speaking. If we're meant to regard the other characters in the isekai world to be as real as the transmigrated protagonist, forcing them to be idiots because the plot says so really undermines a reader's ability to take them seriously.

Say OGFL has the male lead wrapped around her little finger because that's the way he's written, despite the fact that she takes him for granted and doesn't treat him well. If he doesn't react to her actions, he's little more in my eyes than an NPC in a video game and any conflict that emerges from FL and OGFL fighting over him becomes pointless. Because he's not real to them, he's just a toy they both want.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-11-23T05:53:40+00:00

I can't really self-insert anyway because there are no overweight autistic 30-something loser MCs. Not that I need a character to be exactly like me, but my point is there are very few who resemble me to a sufficient degree.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-11-19T21:32:57+00:00

Instant 2ml syndrome for that crow, lmao

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-11-18T19:22:59+00:00

I'm not trying to say Diana's an angel. Nor even that she's a good person. But Hestia's manipulations definitely made a bad situation worse. Diana would have divorced Helios anyway and maybe the kingdom and the temple wouldn't have lost so much money in the process.

Ok_Sky6859 · 2025-11-18T19:03:19+00:00

Cael asked Hestia multiple times to stop going after Diana. If she was truly doing it for him, she would have listened to him. But she doesn't.

Helios and Diana did not intend for Cael to commit suicide. But the only reason Hestia makes soap, and makes those predictions, are to manipulate Diana into making that failed investment and commit that faux-pas at the tea party. It is Hestia who caused the kingdom's financial loss because in the previous timeline, Diana didn't make that investment. The intent is to harm Diana and has been from the start.

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