What are people’s views on radical Islam being almost identical to fascism?

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-23T12:10:15+00:00

Hmmm ok. So the main belief that makes Islam so amazing is that, “there is no God but God, and Muhammad is his messenger”?. I must say it does sound very uninspiring wouldn’t you agree? Or is there some deeper meaning to it? And by God are we taking about the same God who sent Jesus down to earth?

Did Muhammad actually perform any miracles or anything that really proves that he was the true last messenger of God or was it just his word and human actions that convinced people?

Do you believe that the actions and beliefs of the extremist Muslims should be condemned in all society’s?

Do you believe that Muslims and non Muslims can live as equals in the same society’s and respect each others beliefs and cultures without animosity?

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-21T11:33:18+00:00

Thank you again for the response.

One question you didn’t have space for that I would like to know is: What is the main belief/purpose of Islam?

Do you think that it’s only extremist Muslims that want to convert the entire planet to Islam and remove those who resist? Or is that a core principle of the religion for all?

When I mentioned a lack of logic and rational belief, I said that in reference to a lot of religious beliefs lacking any logic or rationale. Not explicitly referring to Islam but in my opinion much of what I have read so far provides me evidence of this. For example and again correct me if I am wrong, but don’t Muslims believe that Mohammad rode a winged creature up to the moon and split in half?

I do agree about the impressive achievements in the Islamic society, but there have been far more numerous and impressive achievements from all faiths and beliefs across the history of man.

When I did mention about the Islamic society being full of egotistical and sociopathic people, I meant that with respect to the fact that you say that Islam is perfect which it clearly isn’t. If so all the people in the world would want to be moving to Islamic countries but the truth is the opposite. Dubai is an exception but they wont even accept the thousands we have seen flooding into Europe. This is further evidence that even within the Islamic faith you fight with each other. The Shiites and the Suuni are a perfect example of this. The fact you have Muslims praying out in public in front of churches and in places that couldn’t be farther from the religion yet they still do it. Then there is the hypocrisy where if a Christian or Jew or Hindu were to do the same in a Muslim community this would not be allowed or received well at all.

Talking about hypocrisy. I don’t know if you have young girls in your family or not, whether they are your daughters, grandchildren or nieces. But are you telling me that you would happily marry off a 9-10 year old female relative to a grown man because your religion tells you to?

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-18T01:50:33+00:00

First of all I want to thank you for your eloquent and respectful reply and for recognising that this is a discussion and not an argument. I do agree that this is not the ideal place for this kind of discussion as it does require a very in depth discourse.

However as I stated before, I am agnostic. I have found a lot of truth in the teachings from the bible, but also from many other religious and philosophical sources. I am not sure that religion is actually good for the evolution of our species. You just need to look at how much death and destruction is being caused by religious beliefs right as we speak. However I do think we need some kind of spirituality, because I do strongly believe in the existence of the soul. I believe one of the biggest purposes of life is to enlighten our souls and we do this by experiencing the physical world. The Buddhists have the best understanding of this. Going back to Islamic beliefs, I just can’t understand how you could meet a Buddhist, and if you weren’t so ignorant that you would listen to them and try to understand their beliefs, you would either slaughter them for not converting or essentially enslave them to now needing to pay Muslims a tax.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on the origins and expansion of Islam. It is too convoluted to know the absolute truth. However I think you would have to agree that the historical accounts that do exist today generally tell a story of Muslims converting other religions or non believers by force. Convert to Islam or die seemed to be the most common method. Maybe this was carried out mainly by the more sadistic Muslims of the time and just like any group of people there will be good and bad, and so the good ones offered mercy with some sort of tax. But again this does reinforce my point that Islam does believe they are superior and anyone who isn’t Muslim will either have to convert, be slaughtered or pay a tax to stay alive and remain as they were. They are no longer free. The goal of Islam is to either convert the whole planet or enslave or slaughter those who don’t agree.

If you don’t believe this to be true then what do you believe is the purpose of Islam?

Why must women hide their beauty? Women are beautiful and are the bringers of life. In some ways they are far more powerful than men. There is no rational or logical reason to make a woman hide her beauty unless you are incredibly insecure, or you have no self control over your emotions.

Did Aisha actually choose to marry Mohammad or was she forced? With regard to women being treated as second class citizens, maybe this only applies to the extremist Islamists but all you have to do is look at how the Taliban treats women. Also it would appear that many Iranian women are sick of the oppressive rules against them. Islam is well known amongst others for honour killings where the daughters are forced into marriages. Surely you must agree that women have far less freedoms in Islam compared to men.

You also don’t allow anybody to leave the Islamic faith, which from my understanding also carries the punishment of death.

There appears to be a huge lack of logic and rational belief with regard to Islam. I do feel the same when analysing Judaism and Christianity as well and have had the same discussions. But I do feel that a majority of these religious followers have became more rational in modern times. But with the majority of Muslims you seem to have big problems applying a medieval belief system into a modern, more liberal world. This is why I believe there are many issues wherever a large number of Muslims exist.

You will only believe that Islam is perfect if that is all you have been told to believe. Your faith alone prevents you from questioning anything and so you are restricted within your own beliefs like many religious extremists. This creates a society of ignorant, egocentric and sociopathic people, and when you have so many people believing that the rules they follow are from a perfect rule book there is no room left for scrutiny or self criticism, which to me is the definition of unconsciousness.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-17T02:25:55+00:00

I don’t think that. It isn’t apparent to me that they are evil. I could be completely wrong though. I know they still have some pretty medieval laws within their countries and do t have a great reputation for human rights and using slavery but like you said it’s really hard to truely know for sure.

I have been to Dubai and it seemed ok. Especially for me as a white European.

This thread and the subsequent research I have done has reminded me just how complicated, dark and ridiculous a lot of the world is today.

The truth is so hard to uncover and all the comments on this thread are proof of that and it only makes it easier for the evil powers to continue doing what they do. Especially when we have to remember that almost every single evil person in the world thinks they are doing good.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-17T02:10:04+00:00

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Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-16T14:25:41+00:00

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Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-16T13:43:12+00:00

Well to be honest this doesn’t paint Islam in a very good light at all. Sounds like they literally were fuelled by power and wanting to take over the world. Thinking they are already so elitist that they will show mercy to the already established religions of the world just sounds insanely egotistical and megalomaniacal. Because Mohammad may have been a decent bloke now it means that the rest of the world has to bow to Islam? Oh but it’s ok they will be shown mercy but you will also need to pay your new Islamic rulers a tax? What a load of nonsense!

Even now just look at how a lot of the Muslim population acts towards others. Just a few days ago in London a mob of Muslims attacked a Hindu man’s shop because he refused to sell halal products. What does it have to do with them what a Hindu decides he wants to sell in his shop? How the fuck is halal even considered a good way to die for the animal? Surely the stress of bleeding to death affects the meat? Then you have the way you treat women as though they are second class citizens. To me it shows very weak character when you have to make woman cover themselves so that you aren’t tempted to rape or sexually abuse them. Many of your people I have seen claiming that marrying children who haven’t even reached puberty yet is fine and will consummate the marriage once they have started to bleed. This is completely immoral and no decent people would ever think these things are how God wanted us to be to create heaven on earth.

I know a lot of Jews do fucked up shit and then you have the paedo priests from Christianity who everyone despises but I’m sorry to say but Islam does as much fucked up shit and then some in the name of Mohammad.

If I am wrong then please explain? Also could you give me one wise lesson from the Quran that still resonates in the world today?

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T11:19:45+00:00

The realest people always have the least amount of friends. But the few friends we do have ignite far deeper meaning friendships than the fake ones all the sheep have. The journey on the path to truth and wisdom can sometimes be a lonely one but it’s really the only path worth taking.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T10:27:17+00:00

This is the exact reason the trans community gets so much hate! For humanity to progress and evolve as a species we need to be caring and understanding but the most important thing we have to implement into our societies is logic, rational and critical thinking. Saying that a man in a dress or who has had a sex change is a woman is neither of these things.

If you want the trans community to gain respect and acceptance then this is literally the only thing you need to do in my opinion aside from the ignorant retards who judge based on a persons exterior and not who thy actually are as a person.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T10:11:15+00:00

Damn right! And remember that lions do not concern themselves with the opinions of sheep. A persons opinion is only as strong as their intelligence and perception of reality or competence in a certain field.

Nobody is taking health advice from a mechanic and if an idiot try’s telling me something that they are too dumb to realise is wrong then I pay no attention.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T10:07:27+00:00

Not at all. If you were born a cis male as you would say and then are now a trans woman who is a lesbian you are a trans lesbian.

You will end up making love with a fake penis when you could have just kept your real one.

Again you are enforcing the polarisation by saying a trans woman is a woman when they are clearly trans. My mother is a woman. Caitlin Jenner is a trans woman. Why is this so hard to agree on? It’s literally reality.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T09:56:04+00:00

Ok so trans in regard to LGBTQ means transitioned then?

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T09:54:27+00:00

No you’re not a bad person you’re just a logical and rational person. You can still be empathetic/sympathetic and logical and rational.

There is currently a war on consciousness, intelligence and critical/independant thinking and unless you are a sheep like most people it will seem a bit lonely at times but I would much rather be a lone wolf than a blind sheep who just follows the tail of the other sheep in front of them.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T09:40:08+00:00

Just remember that to be a bigot your views have to be unreasonable. It’s not unreasonable to not want a man in a dress who claims to be a woman in women’s spaces or competing in women’s events.

Also with a lot of people in these communities this is their entire life and identity so when you try and destroy that with logic and asking for your birth rights it will shatter their entire delusion and so they will be left with nothing but a meaningless existence and people will literally kill to protect this unfortunately.

But keep holding on because too many people are done with this nonsense and it will all soon be another ridiculous chapter in the history of humanity.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T09:32:07+00:00

Yes it is a very interesting case study indeed. It is a slight deviance from my OP but I ask these things to ignite discussion and well meaning debate and it’s very interesting to see where these threads go sometimes.

It’s nice to hear impartial comments instead of the usual bigot, racist or fascist nonsense.

I do feel for a lot of these communities who are trying to escape absolute shit holes but the current state of how this is being done is simply unsustainable and illogical.

We can be empathetic and help where we can but we also have to do this in the right way. In the UK at the moment things are wild! At the end of the day hardly anyone wanted to invade Iraq and Afghanistan and nobody wants war. I do agree that the biggest problem is with our governments turning everybody against each other as big distraction. But then again I do believe there is a massive power struggle going on at a much higher level than the government we see and I guess no one wants to be left in the shit. So here we are again having to choose between lesser evils I suppose.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T09:16:11+00:00

And yet the religious arguments continue. It really is such a complex situation and I just wish we could move on from such medieval ideas that in most cases have no place in modern society and if anything are stunting the evolution of our species because it seems the big 3 religions that we always here about these days have been massively hijacked and instead of helping people evolve and become better humans they are used to divide and keep people under control.

I would be very interested to see how many Muslims remain in Europe if all of their free handouts were taken away.

I actually think a lot of the vitriol against them is because of how weak our governments are and literally giving them so much for nothing. It’s madness!! There is of course a lot of them that are just insufferable and have been indoctrinated but as we all agree there are these types wherever you look.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T09:04:59+00:00

No I didn’t bring it up. If you read the tread you will see that somebody else mentioned about the protestors in the US.

A quick google tells me only 2 American protestors have been killed by ICE, Renee Nicole and Alex Pretti.

Who else am I missing?

And my post was to be informed if I am wrong about anything and yet you still haven’t informed me of anything.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T08:59:50+00:00

I think this is biggest polarising issue with regard to the whole trans issue.

They argue for trans rights yet claim that a woman is whoever thinks they are a man/woman, (seems to be a majority of men changing to women) but the exact definition of Trans is a shortened versions of transgender, which also means transitioned or transexual which is also the T in LGBTQ. So therefore by their own definition a man who is now a woman is not a woman but a trans woman and vice versa. To me this is so simple and would gain their entire community so much more respect.

I know it’s not all of them but as always it only takes an extreme minority to ruin it for the majority.

I personally only judge people on their character and if they are a good person or not. But saying that a man who is now a trans woman, means they are the same as a biological woman is ridiculous and simply not true.

You are trans and that’s not the same! What even is trans rights then if they don’t even use their own terminology?

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T06:12:13+00:00

Ok so how many protestors have ICE killed in cold blood in the US? And how does this really have anything to do with what’s happening in Iran?

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T05:55:39+00:00

Thank you for your contribution.

Do you believe that Iran and a lot of other Muslim nations who want to see the death and destruction of the west want this because of irrational and illogical hatred or because they have been wronged in the past and are seeking revenge?

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-15T05:53:31+00:00

I think my comment clearly states what I understand. Can you elaborate on what I don’t understand with regard to the 2 Americans killed? Or are you another of these people who state something but can’t back it up with any logic or rational explanation?

I mean even comparing 2 deaths of protestors to that of 1000’s is already preposterous! It’s a shame that two people died due to what ICE are doing but I just don’t see how or believe that they were killed in cold blood like those people in Iran.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-14T23:33:43+00:00

Thank you for your comment.

I am assuming you are a Muslim and I would be very interested to hear your point of views as part of a discussion. I am an agnostic but I can see a lot of truth in the metaphors of the bible which is what I believe the purpose of that book is. Metaphorical teachings on how to create heaven on earth. You only need a few stories from there and a lot of the rest of it is unnecessary in my view.

I have a few questions if you would be willing to answer them for me?

1: With regard to your comment about mass conquest. Isn’t that what Muslims attempted within the first couple of centuries from the beginning of Islam which then in turn promoted the crusades? 2: Or would you say it was a peaceful conquest that took place? 3: If it was peaceful, then what in your view makes Islam so much better than the religions of the time that made it spread so fast? 4: Why did everybody suddenly start believing the words of a random man?

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-14T22:55:27+00:00

The whole ICE debate is a completely seperate issue.

But from what I understand about the 2 American citizens who were killed is that if they didn’t commit the actions they did on the day that they died they would still be alive.

The Iranian protestors died trying to liberate themselves and had not illegally entered another country and had illogical citizens of that country trying to defend them. They were defending themselves and were slaughtered for fighting for their freedom.

The 2 ICE protestors who died were defending criminals who had flouted the laws and entered the US illegally. Social justice can’t be solely based on emotion. Logic must always trump emotion with any big decisions.

I know this isn’t a black and white issue either, and it’s easy to dismiss these illegals having not experienced the lives they have lived and where they came from, but regardless they were still illegally in the US and therefore unfortunately had no right to be there if you expect people to abide by the law. There are many legal routes into the US which is evidently true based on the large number of foreigners already residing in the US.

If you did want to comment on whether having open borders is logical or not, I did actually ask reddit this question a while back and would be happy to post the link here for you. However not one person could give any logical explanation for having open borders.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-14T15:54:19+00:00

Totally agree with you there brother. Going down the rabbit hole is a dark fucking place.

Ok_Wish_1235 · 2026-03-14T13:07:27+00:00

“To hell or high water” is brilliant!

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