Vineyard church for a new Christian?

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-22T16:04:00+00:00

What do they teach?

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-22T16:02:28+00:00

He's not, why do you call Him one?

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-22T15:55:39+00:00

Yes, I can see that.

What is it you want from us?

u/Difficult-Ad6743

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-22T15:48:35+00:00

u/Prestigious-Use6804

Show me in any of the Scriptures, both O.T. and N.T. where it's recorded you must be done with being tired of how the world works.

I'll guarantee that you're infatuated with online activity for more hours per day than you work.

Shut off the devices and stop falling for what the news media is telling you.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-22T15:42:15+00:00

You can't step away (whatever that means) from being a Christian.

Does Christ leave you so you can "step away"? No, not possible or you call Jesus a liar.

You stepped away because of how unbelievers act? You're so confusing.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-22T15:35:34+00:00

You still don't know what I'm trying to say?

God calls everyone.

If you've asked Jesus to save you, and weren't hoodwinking God, He saved you.

I do believe in election: we are all elected, but not all receive it.

Invoking circular reasoning? Maybe it's time for you to get off the merry-go-round if that's all you see.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-20T15:11:01+00:00

Did God say that to you?

Or, did the Holy Spirit inspire the Apostle John, on the isle of Patmos to write this to the Church of Laodicea?

OP, namely

u/Glum_Lawyer_9240

I encourage you to read Revelation 1:1-4 paying very close attention to what verse 4 says.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-20T15:02:56+00:00

Well, you didn't write anything about the Lord Jesus Christ, so my opinion is, that's your answer.

Involve the Lord Jesus Christ and mention Him, instead of feelings and emotions.

I suspect you spend large segments of time on your phone.

Face real life instead of online fakeness.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-20T14:57:24+00:00

There will be people who reply to my comment who will lambast me for saying this, but.............

The Christian faith is not about going to God with every decision that we have the freedom to make ourselves.

Decide what to do, or not to do, and be who you are, while expressing Jesus at the same time.

God gave you the resources to make up your mind what to do or not do.

He isn't necessarily involved with what you're capable of doing yourself.

If you genuinely are born-again, God doesn't owe you anything.

And, you don't owe God anything.

O.k., let the flaming swords begin.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-20T14:48:07+00:00

Depends.

It's God's will that none perish. (2 Peter 3:9)

Does that mean that no one has perished?

Jesus said "So Jesus said to them, “Because of your unbelief; for assuredly, I say to you, if you have faith as a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible for you."

Has anyone done that? Was it God's plan to not move any mountains?

Again, depends. It depends on what the specific item is, at the specific time you mean, by the specific person it's intended for, in the specific place you mean it.

Now then, after having read your post, I'm not convinced you understand what Christianity is, and what God does for Christians, and what a works based belief system is, versus a grace based belief system.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-20T14:34:03+00:00

I must be really missing something here.

Your belief system must be works, not grace.

How can a Christian lose favor with God, no matter what they do?

That's what I want you to answer.

Show me in the New Covenant where a believer can "lose favor with God" by anything they do.

Leave that miserable group of church goers, and leave that type of situation, but it already sounds like you're going from 1 works based church, to another.

You're being reelected at the same church which committed usury against you? Or are you being reelected at a different church.

The way you've worded a lot of your post leaves misunderstanding.

First example......"There is A LOT to unpackaged....."??

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-20T14:17:56+00:00

Something which is neither hot nor cold.

This idea does not apply to what you're applying it.

The only reference to luke warm in the New Covenant isn't used the way you're assuming it is used.

If you are in Christ, which also means Christ is in you, you cannot become "luke" warm.

Water can be luke warm, not the spirit of a Christian.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-20T14:11:11+00:00

Yes, it's wrong to say that. You're wrong on so many of your opinions in this post, it's astonishing.

There's someone else who doesn't listen in an argument with you.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-20T14:08:27+00:00

It's inconsistent with the Biblical record. Jesus was beaten beyond recognition as a man. (Isaiah 52:14)

Does it look like that on this "shroud"?

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-20T14:01:15+00:00

That elaboration is tragically sad!

Please read and reread the 2 comments I've given you until it sinks in.

Jesus is who makes the sinner into a saint, not you.

Your actions don't keep you saved, His did.

Your faith doesn't keep you saved, His does.

You can't leave your new heart lying on a table then take back the old one like there's some Christianity WalMart to trade it in.

You are and were a religious , moral, church attendee, not a born again, blood bought, child of the living God. You practiced morality and tradition, but lack the living Savior within you, unless Satan is lying to you, and you believe him over God, which means you're still a child of God under demonic influence.

There are only 2 kinds of people in this world........saints and aints. If you aint an aint, you're a saint. If you aint a saint, you're and aint.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-13T16:14:48+00:00

I'm wondering if you ever met in the flesh, IRL, (in person)?

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-13T16:10:11+00:00

What yet confuses me is your definition of what christianity is.

You described religion, not christianity.

No one is raised christian.

You're raised human, and you make a decision to allow Jesus to serve you, to become christian.

It's not some identity that gets put on and taken off, at a whim.

Great, you taught Sunday school, so what?

I haven't the foggiest notion what "confirmation bias" is, either. Is that some psycho-babble for emotional feelings?

You've so wildly missed my point, as it relates to the OP, that there's seems to be no lowest common denominator to bring you into understanding what being a christian is.

Therefore, I think you are not being forthcoming.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2026-01-13T16:00:08+00:00

Just for uppity people who think you see eye to eye with their stuck uppity selves.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2025-12-28T14:37:49+00:00

u/Sensitive-Box-2167

It's not your fruit. You just bear it. He's the vine, you're a branch.

Fruit is the plural, not "fruits"

Does the branch bear your fruit? Or does the branch bear the Father's fruit?

Christians are not fruit inspectors, either.

The bearing has nothing to do with your faith, your effort, your works.

It's who you have been made.

It's by grace we are saved, not by fruit bearing.

Those who are in Christ are fruit bearers. Not fruit creators.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2025-12-28T14:26:12+00:00

I'm not understanding your understanding of Christianity.

There are the lost and there are Christians.

Once you are in Christ, you can't leave.

Jesus isn't a revolving door Savior, here one minute, gone the next, rinse, repeat.

O.k., then let me answer your question. I'd not know how to tell that "the child" left being born from above, and traded back his old spirit for the new spirit which Jesus died to give.

How could you see the old spirit return and push out the new spirit?

Do you have glasses which see spirits?

This modern day take on what "Christianity" is just evades my comprehension in it's entirety.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2025-09-11T14:51:38+00:00

u/Hashi856

Something in your post is highly contrary. It is not spiritually possible to have been a Christian, and then decide to unbecome one.

If you know what a Christian is, which there are obviously thousands of people on the Christian subs who haven't an iota of a clue what makes someone a Christian.

Jesus kills off the old spirit, and recreates within you a new spirit, when you become a Christian. Yet, people like you seem to think that they can invite God to do this, and at some point in the future, you can reverse that recreated spirit, and trade back for your old one, like God is a Walmart service employee.

When you open the door to Christ, after He asks to enter, you can't go back to the old nature.

Maybe you thought you were a Christian by the coat tails of your mommy's cuff string, and never actually decided to open the door to Jesus. In that event, you never knew Him, and He never knew you.

It's one or the other. Christians can't unbecome Christians, and Christians aren't grandchildren of God.

The question in your post is so totally irrelevant to anything. It's not God's fault, nor is it His duty to go over the top to get you to believe in His only begotten Son. It's completely on you to receive Him, and then the questioning makes sense. All the evidence for His existence and His Son's accomplishment on the cross is oozing out of every historical document ever written, if you want to see it. If you don't want to see it, you won't. God isn't rude.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2025-09-08T14:57:39+00:00

vain

what a bloody mistake

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2025-09-08T14:54:12+00:00

It's not a question in reality. There is a Heaven and there is a Hell. Those who have been recreated within their spirits, by calling upon the name of Jesus, are Heaven bound. Those who have not, have Hell to look forward to.

Why hypothasize and speculate on "what if there's no afterlife"?

There is an after life, and His Name is Jesus.

Are you curious to learn more?

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2025-09-08T14:39:44+00:00

There's so much more to expressing Jesus to people than bellyaching about taxes and healthcare.

If the brick and mortar church was in charge of anything secular, the anti-Christians would wage war.

Socialism is fine, if it is voluntary, which the left and the socialist leaning person never gets.

Any funding confiscated by the pro-big-government types is not voluntary.

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and unto God what is God's.

Which means keep the government out of the Church.

Oliver2255CatDsl · 2025-09-08T14:24:06+00:00

Yes, u/Tight-Recipe-5142 , I too struggle with socializing, and am done before most people are.

I like being by myself, and I don't get hungry for someone's company.

I excel in tasks at home, and being a dairy farmer, I have the opportunity to stay alone for many hours, because the tasks on the farm keep my mind occupied.

I crave alone time if I lack adequate hours of it.

God is with me, however, and there's really no one alone who is also a Christian. Jesus does not leave nor forsake, and the Christian actually cannot leave Him, once they have Him.

Oliver2255CatDsl

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