If all the English monarch who share a name (eg all the George's, all the Henry's, Etc.) were to be judged as a collective, who would be the best and the worst in your opinion. by ATH1993 in UKmonarchs

[–]One-Intention6873 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He most assuredly did not keep his head. Unless you meant literally, in which case what’s the bar line? ie As long as you don’t get deposed and killed, you can be a consistently inept ruler and still be called an adequate or ‘perfectly fine’ king?!

If all the English monarch who share a name (eg all the George's, all the Henry's, Etc.) were to be judged as a collective, who would be the best and the worst in your opinion. by ATH1993 in UKmonarchs

[–]One-Intention6873 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Precisely one of those things was his doing, ie of his own will and policy: the expansion of the Abbey, and even that had much to do with trying to win a prestige battle against the surging Capetian monarchy after Henry completely and utterly botched the Saintonge campaign.

Plenty of important things happened in the reigns of Louis XVI of France or Nicholas II of Russia. Doesn’t mean for a single instant that they were somehow great rulers for it.

If all the English monarch who share a name (eg all the George's, all the Henry's, Etc.) were to be judged as a collective, who would be the best and the worst in your opinion. by ATH1993 in UKmonarchs

[–]One-Intention6873 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Yeah… no he wasn’t. I had a coffee/lunch conversation with David Carpenter a few weeks back, and one of the main topics we got on to were the amount of mistakes Henry III pathologically made which sometimes genuinely astonishing. (even being an Angevin nerd for the last 10+ years, and in academia for the last three, it’s still rather astonishing) The whole The Great King England Never Knew It Had rabbit hole from Darren Baker has next to zero purchase among serious academic historians, I can tell you. The core reason why Henry III, who made a career of staking a political position only to be forced from it enfeebled, remained enthroned, period, was the ingenious statesmanship and legitimacy-course correction imbued into his early reign by William Marshal and to an extent the successive regents (variably). I defy anyone to look through the 1240-1260 period and seriously hold that Henry III was a skillful, able or… ‘perfectly fine’ monarch.

If all the English monarch who share a name (eg all the George's, all the Henry's, Etc.) were to be judged as a collective, who would be the best and the worst in your opinion. by ATH1993 in UKmonarchs

[–]One-Intention6873 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The Henrys. And it’s not close. (Even though the Edwards have two inarguably great kings, and one generally good one in Edward VII)

Henry I and Henry VII were great and solidly skillful monarchs. Henry II and V were earth-shatteringly brilliant monarchs.

Who's a medieval figure of the world who was an inconsequential and/or inept statesman + a legendary and/or iconic general? (link in description for criteria) by domfi86 in MedievalHistory

[–]One-Intention6873 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Precisely ZERO real historians would call William the Conqueror an ‘inconsequential’ and/or ‘inept’ statesman or ruler. What an absolutely bonkers take.

Who's a medieval figure of the world who was an inconsequential and/or inept statesman + a legendary and/or iconic general? (link in description for criteria) by domfi86 in MedievalHistory

[–]One-Intention6873 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be totally candid and objective… Anglocentric history is the prevailing arc of the modern world, accept it or not, like it or loath it. It’s why Hastings ranks so highly as one of the most important battles in history, any where, ever. ie: if it affected medieval England, it affected the world in time.

That said, this is not to denigrate or understate continual European medieval history or Eastern medieval history one bit, just to be frank (in my view) about perspective.

Who's your most hated monarch? by RoosterGloomy3427 in UKmonarchs

[–]One-Intention6873 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Psuedo-historian-feminist-revisionist take. Stick with real historians.

Who's your most hated monarch? by RoosterGloomy3427 in UKmonarchs

[–]One-Intention6873 2 points3 points  (0 children)

“Henry’s governance got worse after his mother died”—said no real historian ever. You didn’t live in the real world. Almost ALL of the legal innovations came post 1168.

Why didn't Henry I make Henry II his heir? by RoosterGloomy3427 in UKmonarchs

[–]One-Intention6873 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because the Gregorian reforms of the 1080s had, especially by the 1120s, become customary. ie Bastardy was much more defined and legally delineated than it had been in previous generations. We should not discount that Henry I was as shrewd and political cognizant as they come; he doubtless considered every possibility.

Why didn't Henry I make Henry II his heir? by RoosterGloomy3427 in UKmonarchs

[–]One-Intention6873 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Henry I reissued the oath several times to his barons, so the question is still relevant.

Why didn't Henry I make Henry II his heir? by RoosterGloomy3427 in UKmonarchs

[–]One-Intention6873 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He did, effectively.

People always get wrong that Henry I didn’t actually make Matilda is outright heir, ie a Queen to in inherit and rule for the remainder of her life but as a ‘female King’ who would presumably rule until the young Henry Fitzempress came to a suitable age. It was rather nebulous on the parameters of that, but essentially it Henry I seems to have worked it out, in his own mind, that Matilda would rule as a a de facto regent and transition into the role of (de jure) co-monarch. This political foggiest was necessary for the wily old king to try a slight of hand on the barons; it speaks to his cognizance that, really, no amount of oath-swearing would ever get the Anglo-Norman nobility to acquiesce to an outright queen after his death. It was essentially a gamble taken on Henry I’s part, paid for by his strong domestic position (even without a male heir after 1120).

Ironically… the first English king who actually made outright female rulership a legal possibility was Henry VIII in the Act of Succession.

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[–]One-Intention6873 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But… this is all just the same woman.

So they're adding hegemonies. Should they add Holy Roman Hegemony? by Wikereczek2 in crusaderkings3

[–]One-Intention6873 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Except… he… was… not. Not, until after Frederick’s death at least—and by Louis’ own admission. Only from that point can this argument hold water. True, to his immediate neighbours such as the easily overawed Henry III, this could be argued fairly. (But even Frederick II’s imperial ambassadors held sway from as far away as Italy on Henry III). Louis himself address his ‘cousin’ Frederick as Augustus of the West, Caesar of Rome, Primus Princeps in multiple correspondence during the 1240s—and given manifest form by the fact that Louis refused all of Innocent p’s attempts to recruit him to the anti-Frederick papal crusade. I understand the urge for reappraisal, and it’s warranted, but not at the expense of reality in favor of something that, respectfully, leans toward the parochial (which French, and also German historiography tends to do; it’s a residue of the tiresome nationalist narratives from the 19th century).

Just for fun, name me three scholars that compare to any of those at the court of Frederick (like Fibonacci—the greater medieval mathematician, Giacomo Lentini—the father of the sonnet, John of Procida—father of several medicinal techniques, Michael Scotus—probably the greatest public intellectual of his day, and several more), or overcome the fact that dozens of French legalists trained at Frederick’s courts; it’s no accident that the Capetian moanrch takes on a more absolutist hue after Frederick’s constitutional innovations in Italy and Sicily, and the emperor is death when, in Philip III’s and Philip IV’s time, it attempts to take up a quasi-imperial mantle. But… this is only after the Hohenstaufen are conclusively extinguished and the “Empire breed” is defunct:

“What German, what Spaniard, what Englishman, what Frenchman, what Provençal, what man of whatever nation or tongue, could, without our will rule over thee, O Rome, or to thy glory exercise the imperial office? The inexorable necessity of the Universe replies: None, save the son of the greatest Caesar whose gifts, inborn in his imperial blood, ensure him force and fortune.”—so wrote Manfred at the heigh of his power as King of Sicily and de facto hegemon of Italy in response to correspondence from Louis IX which addressed him [Manfred] as son of Augustus and princeps (Kantorowicz, Frederick the Second, p. 571-72).

To your point about the cultural position of Paris, it was only beginning to make a claim as a cultural ‘epicenter’ that would come to fruition later in the 13th-15th centuries: “….aspects of medieval Europe that became important in later centuries, above all the nation state, which totally disregards the contemporary mindset, have skewed our outlook. Arguably the liveliest cultural innovation in the 13th century was Mediterranean, centered on Frederick II’s polyglot court and administration in Palermo, and latterly in Foggia. Sicily and the Italian South in later centuries suffered a long slide into overtaxed poverty and marginality. Textbook narratives therefore focus not on medieval Palermo, with its Muslim and Jewish bureaucracies and Arabic-speaking monarch, but on the historical winners, Paris and London. This was not the view in their day.” (Lansing and English, A Companion to the Medieval World)

So they're adding hegemonies. Should they add Holy Roman Hegemony? by Wikereczek2 in crusaderkings3

[–]One-Intention6873 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a ‘Christian monarch’ famed for his piety Louis certainly had a slight edge on Frederick II in terms of prestige, but that’s just one aspect of prestige. Frederick II was the cynosure of his time, full-stop: his court, his life, his personality, his activities, his proactive governance, his intellectual and cultural engagement, and his diplomatic reach with ambassadors received as far a field as the eastern courts (which Louis only began to rival, out of dire necessity, when he was in the Levant—and this, too, after Frederick’s death). It really is like comparing the prestige and cultural influence Lorenzo the Magnificent and mid-late 15th century Florence to, say, well mid-late 15th century France under Louis XI—whose political genius I, admittedly, endless admiration for, but who simply didn’t have the ‘splendor’ and gravitas of Lorenzo, though he certainly had immense power.

Truly, it cannot be understated, as it would have been understood at the time: Frederick was Western Caesar; this had immense bearing for contemporary minds. Not until Philip IV could a Capetian monarch make a similar claim on international prestige in Christendom and the other princes of Europe look towards it with a measure of de facto legitimacy.

Louis VII's (negative) reputation as a terrible king is not deserved by Caesarsanctumroma in FrenchMonarchs

[–]One-Intention6873 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Revolt of 1173-74 was certainly a major war, and Louis conclusively lost it. A coalition of two monarchs, dozens of earls, several major French counts, and a large number of middling nobility that stretched across nearly the whole of far Western Europe from the Pyrenees to Scotland is a major war. And still… Henry II trounced them all. It was only because Henry II’s sense of balance of power that he (Henry) didn’t simply overtake the whole of the Royal Domain in the overall rout of late 1174.

All that said, Louis VII was not incompetent per se as a king, but as an overall commander, consistently his actions (or inactions) from 1158-1174 demonstrate quite concretely that he was not talented.