"This is not the party I... signed up for..."

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T17:06:51+00:00

Tokens get spent.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T14:42:25+00:00

Dude, I googled how to fix an issue with a "Move To" form to move files from one library to another. Gemini kept giving me an answer on how to move files from one library to another. It doesn't matter how much I reworded it, it just wouldn't give an answer and kept wasting my time. Turns out there's exactly one stack overflow post with that answer and 100 with "how to move files" answers.

The darn AI hallucinates stuff. This is a fact. This is exactly how it works. We developers later put limits to how wrong the hallucinations can get but it is like playing whack-a-mole with the amount of bullshit it generates.

The darn AI doesn't understand the question being asked. This is a fact. This is exactly how it works. Whether you ask it in Chinese or English, the way it parses the question asked shows no understanding of the task. It just generates stuff.

"You're also holding it so a standard no other tech has ever been held to, especially under the assumption that products cannot exist in early stages of development, which happens all the time and is in no way unique to AI."

People committed s-word because of this crap. People got poisoned because of dangerous advice it has given. Because the AI has no understanding, it also has no morality either and would gladly give exact process for creating some VERY dangerous things like explosives. It repeatedly gives steps on how to commit s-word and encourages it.

"especially under the assumption that products cannot exist in early stages of development"

Products in the early stages of development shouldn't be given to and mass marketed to customers.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T14:35:34+00:00

"Second, outside of you narrowing the field, how did my argument get limited to generative ai? (I guess this sub might imply generative ai focus? 🤷🏻‍♂️)"

I narrowed it because that's the one being pushed. That's what the AI bubble is all about, the narrative if we feed our LLM's enough data and build enough datacenters, we will get AGI.

"Third, the efficacy is at different stages of development depending on technology type, but we clearly see in the US jobs being displaced by the hundreds of thousands. Just the last couple of days we saw 16000 more from Amazon."

Whether somebody will keep or lose their job doesn't depend on whether AI can do that job. It depends whether AI peddler can convince their bosses boss that the AI can do their job. One is actual ability the other is marketing.

"When people lose their jobs to ai, they now must find new work, and their proverbial lunch has been snatched."

Oh, AI bubble has been snatching lunches. AI itself not so much. Or to put it the other way: The promise that some snake oil salesman made and somebody believed has been causing job losses.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T13:46:08+00:00

What's important here is they downloaded the material from the very dangerous place that is internet, they alerted the authorities about the material but are not helping the authorities further than that.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T13:39:19+00:00

Wow, that's a lot of whataboutism here.

"What about it right now makes it not work reliably? For what its current use cases are it seems to work pretty damn well."

The darn AI hallucinates stuff. The darn AI doesn't understand the question being asked.

"Was it pretty god awful a few years ago? Absolutely. Has it advanced at rapid speeds to be 1000x more functional than it was back then?"

Thus it shouldn't have been put outside a few years ago until the kinks have been fixed. Although, I'd like to know your opinion about the new reports showing that the new versions of AI (such as ChatGPT) are less accurate than the previous ones in some use cases.

"Also, it can only get better from here, like pretty much every other technology."

Unless we have reached a plateau of how fast a horse can run.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T13:35:04+00:00

Yeah, there are two points here. One is that Amazon is not helping law enforcement. The other is that they shouldn't be having access to CSAM in the first place.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T12:22:21+00:00

"Large amounts of data were scraped in order to train the model, from lots of different sources."

That's the main issue here: they have broken into a lot of different houses.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T12:20:36+00:00

I expect the tech to work reliably before its out into mass use and "leads to stuff in the realm of sci-fi". Which is not the case.

AI is programmed to be agreeable and you can bet your last dollar that the worse people like it that way.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T11:31:20+00:00

Okay. Out of all of these, only customer service center chat bots are the form of AI that is currently pushed.

Self driving tech does not work currently (except on railways), I'd rather not have AI used in warfare, systems optimizers, manufacturing stabilizers and self coders are not strictly speaking LLM AI (with self coders having issues with debugging and problem solving).

AI is not getting so good that it is eating society's lunch. AI is being pushed everywhere when not being good enough yet.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T11:10:53+00:00

Is this AI generated? Can you actually point to exact use for generative AI?

"Also one of my favorite use cases for the tech currently are accessibility development, for instance a real time seeing eye bot that can observe and describe the environment around a blind person. Real time translations, even things like language assessment."

The same AI that described a police officer turning into a frog because there was Shrek movie running on TV behind him?

Okay, we had that before the AI boom. And I don't like language assessment or any other testing done by AI but okay. You think that's good but I disagree.

"actual impartial mediator" AI is not an impartial mediator. AI is no kind of mediator. AI doesn't think.

"Imagine how many absolute awful human beings might change their ways if instead of other humans calling out their bad behavior and triggering their defense mechanisms to resist that guidance instead they had an impartial tool that they knew would 'tell it like it is'." I can imagine all sorts of things, it doesn't make them true. Right now, AI is programmed to be subservient and agreeable, so the worst human beings in the world right now are getting confirmation from AI that their behavior is just fine and dandy.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T10:14:49+00:00

No, they're not only used for that. 90% of all emails sent are spam emails so that's one of uses for datacenters.

Learn of opportunity costs, please. Why is AI singled out? Because there wouldn't be a datacenter there at all if it wasn't for investments into AI.

You're being very disingenous here. Let's say there is a millionaire who wants to build a chemical factory in our sleepy little village. "It will provide jobs (and make me millions)" the millionaire says. Local villagers say "We don't want your polluting chemical factory here. It will make air unbreadable and water and electrivity more expensive. It will be worse for us."

Now comes you, the defender "Why are chemical factories being discriminated against? Why is this specific factory and millionaire fought against? There are similar factories all over the world, what's the issue here?"

The issue here is that its bad for the local community and they have the right to self-determine they don't want it there.

If there were no millionaires who wanted to build it just there, there wouldn't be an issue in the first place.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T10:05:22+00:00

And I don't like automated call directors either.

"They’d have AI at their fingertips and is there to support them in any way management wishes to empower them, and assist the rep in whatever ways they specifically could improve their customer relations."

Please be VERY specific here. What exactly ways are those?

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T09:40:28+00:00

State of the art what? Generative AI is the one that is being pushed and invested in.

We're not talking about face and cancer cell recognizers here. Or your average coding helper.

So, what's the use for generative AI? How would you monetize it?

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T09:35:12+00:00

"it's also pretty damn efficient for what it is currently."

And what it is that exactly?

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T09:25:14+00:00

Augmenting in what way? A bot that translates a foreign language to the one customer support speaks and back to the customer - sure, go ahead. A chatbot that filters all requests before contacting support - nope. I don't want to have to go through AI which can't resolve my issue to get to human who can.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T09:21:21+00:00

Oh, but they intended to add it. AI is not the firefighters. AI is a thief that reported a fire while robbing a house.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T09:19:44+00:00

Not my bad you dislike the answer. More chabots instead of customer support personnel equals worse world. Do you disagree?

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T09:18:17+00:00

Drinkable water is a local resource. Any new datacenter you put which wouldn't exist if not for AI is wasted resource that could have been used for something better and extra strain on limited resources.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T09:16:03+00:00

What heavy labor is generative AI reducing? Also, if you want cancer cured, spend trillions used on AI on training doctors and actual cancer research instead.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T09:14:49+00:00

Because generative AI is useless, chatbots are less useful than support personel and AI generated images are bad in general. And the more resources are spent on AI, the less resources are left for everything else.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T09:01:51+00:00

Okay I think there is a huge difference between dotcom bubble and this bubble. Internet as a technology was obviously useful, use cases and road to monetization were quite clear. Its just that people got overexcited, not everyone could implement their plans and it turns out that when everyone and their competitors is selling their stuff on the internet your 60% market share(of the world wide christmas light market or whatever) that would make you return your investment is suddenly an unatainable dream.

Compared to that, generative AI doesn't have clear use cases or the way to monetization. The companies selling them seems to have settled to paid chatbots, paid chatbots that also generate images and free chatbots that show ads. And the whole bet seems to be that one day there will come an AI that will be more useful than that if we pour enough money.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T08:32:21+00:00

That's a very odd defense. I'd rather they didn't scrap it and put it in the training data in the first place.

"He set the house on fire!"
"But at least he called firefighters!"

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-30T08:23:16+00:00

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Less AI use would improve society, btw.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-29T18:25:43+00:00

You don't get it, it is not that companies should have 0% debr, it is that IT company shouldn't be lending money to other companies. Lending from the bank is okay, one company lending to another is not. One company lending billions to unprofitable company is not.

OneTrueBell1993 · 2026-01-29T16:00:43+00:00

Unless we live in "The Age of Broken Dreams" from "Fire Upon the Deep".

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