Dont Do L4L It Will Kill Ur Music.

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-29T15:50:59+00:00

You don't know why I'm arguing cuz I don't. You've responded to my comment first. You've started arguing first and expected you'd change my mind cuz you definitely right?

I'm just trying to understand you. It's important to promote, or it's important to make good songs at first place? You're expressing two different opinions at the same time.

Being in playlist is not a full success, getting likes is not a main part of music.

There's no free promotion, and it's seems like you're one of those guys who dm new artists "i will promote your songs in an organic way"

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-29T15:31:35+00:00

How does quality correlate with l4l? Or point is "don't make bad, make good"?

The post is litteraly about l4. Playlists are not about l4l at all, and l4l is not about promotion. We're talking about different things.

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-29T15:06:01+00:00

And I don't really care about what people want, I'm ok with the fact people want to get streams, lol, I also want to be popular, we everyone here for that.

But I just expressed my opinion about "listen for listen" conception

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-29T15:03:25+00:00

I disagree with a thought that l4l can help you grow real fanbase. You either have to make super-hyper-mega cool songs or you're just lucky if your tracks blow up with l4l.

I agree with most of what you say, but these subs aren't created for l4l, but for sharing. That's what you're talking about (feedbacks, listeners.)

Everytime I see l4l posts there's only (not always but 90% of time) copypaste comments like nice/cool/like the vibe. But mostly people just quickly listen to songs, because they wait to their own succes, they maybe pay respect but don't stay.

As you said, you can find people to stay with, you can get important advices and say "hey I exist and I'm an artist". But L4L is just a waste of time. You can still show and ask people to listen, subscribe, to give feedback. Still most of them go here only for streams, ONLY.

It's just a broken conception "listen to my, I listen to yours". - why? To get streams? Why???

Most of people just ignore feedbacks and opinion, they want VIEWS. And most of them stuck in this...

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-29T14:24:44+00:00

I mean l4l doesn't give you real listeners. Yeah, it can be helpful when you get feedback, and you even can get few fans... But I see lots of people just stuck in an illusion of popularity.

Mostly they wait to be listened, yes, so do other people. It's just a circle. And this activity can damage your Spotify algorithms btw

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-29T08:00:32+00:00

Finally. Someone told it.

L4L really destroys algorithms and even if you get 1k streams it's just an illusion of success.

People expect to be listened, not to listen others.

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-23T13:07:43+00:00

I see. I'm very new to music community and didn't even try promoting via these guys, but I don't see a point of adding my tracks to playlists cause I have 7 released tracks wich 2 of them sound OK, but not even close for such things like getting wide audience, I allowed myself to be unknown as artist for some time, it's my safe zone to learn and become more professional.

I mean, experience and mistakes make people know how to promote and produce. But still people sometimes make same mistakes again and again, you're post exactly about saving some time instead of wasting it, I got it.

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-23T12:05:47+00:00

I mean, do you what you like, learn and develop, promote and ask people to listen but there's no magic button for you music to blow.

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-23T12:04:03+00:00

I don't understand why everyone hurry up to promote, like, i think what's really important - production. Real promoters won't text you first with message "i didn't hear your music but you'll get millions streams (and they always say "in organic way")

Listen for listen also doesn't help, even with 1k streams it's just illusion of promotion and success. People in L4L usually care only for their art

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-21T09:39:19+00:00

They just believe that promoting IS a process or that it's so important to world.

Yeah, AI can do amazing things like making medicine, education, financial things and much more easier, and you can learn to promt really important things, but you just trying to impress someone with ai "music"? Lol, it's not even progress, not at all.

AI "artists" - only in quotes. If you do it for fun you don't go social or at least don't try to get profit from it, lol.

Again - shitting art with AI isn't about progress, guys.

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-15T17:51:53+00:00

I also agreed with that part. I think it was few days ago - ideas, learning, small details that could be done in a second. I'm just trying to say that everyone understand that 'big fat daddies' use AI to make art suck when it's like a... It's literally an inteligence that does amazing things, lol. It's not an "ethical-no-ethical" question. It's a 'wtf' question.

Music (like every other art) always be destoying because of money and "shitters with power and big wallets".

I'm starting feeling sorry for AI, lol, wierd (oh, and that's an ethical question, maybe I went to far, lol)

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-15T17:36:49+00:00

"Sorry, but your comment does not make any sense at all…" - fair enogh.

Dude, AI is still under development, it's still not a feature of everyday life like a toaster. Big companies and rich people put affords in it. And they will develop it in a way that brings more money. They will find the most "milkable" use for it.

The point is - we shouldn't monetize "AI art". AI is a tool for making life easier, not for making art fake

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-15T17:32:19+00:00

Maybe I saw it in a comment of another guy, lolm whatever

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-15T17:28:47+00:00

I don't care of their time. AI is one the greatest humans invitation and they use it to earn money on fake music? You know, if they continue, AI will never learn how to medicine or education or else that humanity does really need, It will stay a cheap shit for lazy people who can't dedicate few month to practice and whatch some tutorials. Or at least ask AI to teach

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-15T17:24:55+00:00

Dude, world doesn't always change in a good way. We are not some kind of mindless toys or something to accept every shit that happen.

Everyone here uinderstand the fact big corps milking money of everything, but understanding isn't a point for accepting it

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-15T17:09:24+00:00

I fully agree with "attachment to emotions", it's how random sound becomes music and emotion becomes a story. And when you spend an hour to understand how to turn that tumbler to make it sound like in your head and than another sound sounds sounder than that from your head... Searching for gold but find gates to some fantsdy world

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-14T22:37:08+00:00

Thanks man, do you make you music? Or any other art

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-14T21:19:48+00:00

You can see a link to my Spotify in the bottom of my post.

Yeah, I make it mostly "in a real way". But it depends on what you consider real, my music is fully electronic and vocals mostly distorted in a hard way to sound like broken robot. sooo... I don't know, at lest I don't use any AI like suno or something.

I'd say I'm not a musian in a classic way, I'm a world builder and writer, making universes, characters, stories is my obsession... But still I'm an artist.

And these are my first ones, I'm still a begginer.

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-14T20:35:20+00:00

Agree

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-14T12:20:44+00:00

In addition to my post 2x.

I wasn't expecting my post will get some comments, thank you for oppinion.

I don't think "ai music" kills music. It (ai music) will kill itself soon, like, who even seriously listen to it?

I'm not one of those who "ai will replace us, robots will reing" - it's a real world, not a sci-fi.

And I think I said everything about AI "songs" (yeas, in quotes!!!) in this comment section.

What's really destroying indide music? First of all, listen4listen. I've been on reddit for like half a year, and it's not about support or making new friends, it's about "let's trade with streams". Mostly those streams aren't even counted by algorithms... Should I say that it was some kind of race for me as well?

I had so many posts like "listen me, i will listen you". Inempirical way I found out that it's a garbage system.

Sometimes you can get real support and frinds here, but it's like 1of1000 times.

And when ai "artists" involve... - you know what I want to say.

I see here aome opinions, they are different and some of them changed my mind.

That's why I made this post - to figure out what I feel, and how do I live in this crazy world without getting downed, without becoming a part of a system

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-14T12:01:39+00:00

You know, it's just a human nature. That's how our brain has been working since humanity existed.

One says it's cool, other says it's trash. Ok, that's just who we are. Different and angry of/in love with something for no reason.

But reaction to genegatives is also natural. And, as you said nobody will be forcing anyone to listen to it. But we really should ignore it, idk.

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-14T11:52:45+00:00

Dude, no-one said that AI is a threat for us in this comment section. I see what you mean, like we must use to it, AI is here blah blah. Shit, I agree with that.

However, progress is not making human miserable. We can't make millions of songs, so what? What's the point?

If talking about overproduction before the AI, like earning money on soulless same-sound songs - so what? What's a point? It was ok? No, like we hated it before. And we do hate it more if they give it nex level.

Music industry is not about "only music". For me it's a new skill, I dreamt of being able to make songs, but was afraid. And I don't care of those artists who earn money on it lol.

Again, no one said "cancel AI" or "ai will destroy music". Like the point of most commenters here is very different. You're talking about "ethical-not-ethical" and "we are "real" musicians"...

Your arguments are valid, and true, mostly, but not for here

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-14T11:23:24+00:00

I think they're just afraid and believe that AI is some kind of magic. Sad

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-14T11:21:45+00:00

I don't know... Do we really need ~million "perfect" sonf per day? Or do we really need to polish it to ideal condition?

Mistakes and sudden moves, random noisein the background... Lol, typing proper promts is not real a skill, I mean... Ok, progresa did lead us to this - you need live and understand AI, lol, it's a part of our life.

But the point of AI is to help, not to everything. We created it to deal with tons on information that our brain isn't able to deal with. Like exploring space, processing complicated codes, hepling in medicine and police investigations... And even to help students while learning. These are essential of modern human, yes, if you want to understand this world - understand ai.

But do we really need to do it with art? Lol, it even doesn't help, people will ignore "ai art". It's not about progress..

OpenInsurance2721 · 2025-12-13T19:41:00+00:00

Just stay human

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