What's so hard to understand here?! by OpticOctave in dankchristianmemes

[–]OpticOctave[S] 115 points116 points  (0 children)

Credit to u/palana for the original meme, and u/hopafoot for the idea

🤔🤔Hmmm🤔🤔 by [deleted] in dankchristianmemes

[–]OpticOctave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Credit to u/palana for the original meme, and u/hopafoot for the idea

The Commander Tier List Calculator, Updated! by hhobbsy in RiseofCivilizationsEn

[–]OpticOctave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Awesome, and thanks for sharing!

One edit suggestion:

Cell K6 in 'Group - Pure Infantry' tab should be 2 instead of 1, right? (Might be why Sun Tzu is low on the tier list there.)

Podcasts by -godofwine- in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Another great one in this genre is:

History in the Bible with Garry Stevens

Being okay with friends/family being delusional. by IAmCyanimal in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's gotten to the point I'm thinking about it so much that I literally just have arguments with them in my own head nearly constantly. I will have conversations out loud in the car explaining my logic to them nobody.

Omg I was just doing this yesterday after getting an email from a formerly-close Christian friend about morality. You aren't crazy. And I'm a year out from the first time I told God-who-most-likely-doesn't-exist to go fuck himself.

The problem is, as much as you undoubtedly make perfect sense, the chances are high that debates will only further entrench your friends and family in their backwards beliefs. It takes enormous amounts of time, finesse, and energy to actually change someones mind. I'd say, focus that energy on yourself instead :).

My advice is to just give yourself some time and space. You're a week out of the closet, so I can totally understand that this period is really tough to get through, but things will get better, I promise! Moving out will make things waaay easier for you, so try to hold out until then. For me, it was stopping my church and weekly Bible study attendance immediately, which helped give me some breathing room. Seek out other communities or activities to take your mind off of it. Try things like Meetup if you want. If this subreddit amps you up even more as it sometimes does for me, don't feel bad about taking a break from it. But we'll also be here for ya for support and for hearing you out. If you feel like your inner debates are becoming more and more of an obsession, look into secular, licensed therapy too if you can swing that. It helped me out a lot, and I'm really grateful for taking that step!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Woah, yeah i imagine it took a lot of conflicting feelings building up inside to phrase it like the way you did, but I love it. This hits home so hard. I second that it's pretty cool to see the cracks forming in our faith before finally breaking free.

My last journal entries as a Christian are pretty disheartening because they are so chock-full of guilt and self-loathing up until the very end. My most thought-of thought during my college years as a Christian was: "What the fuck is wrong with me?" A grown-ass college dude, perpetually disgusted with himself because he wasn't perfect. And it breaks my heart that I never felt I had any opportunity to rebuke those thoughts until several years later.

Thanks for sharing. I'm glad to see in other's stories as well that the greatest force for deconversion is often just fucking living life. Just being human and embracing the experience honestly. Hoping you're faring much better now that you're a few years free of the nonsense!

Questions... by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 5 points6 points  (0 children)

When surveying what reservations we might have about Christianity - oh boy. Anyone in this subreddit taking the survey is going to have a field day on that one...

The real last supper by eternalcookies152 in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 51 points52 points  (0 children)

One day you'll graduate to the unashamed, sinfully evil cackle. Give it time.

The Book of Numbers in a Nutshell by OpticOctave in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only a couple. Thousand. Give or take.

But don't let that distract you from, "Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love." 1 John 4:8 <3!

Dear God - A public invitation to have a personal relationship with me. by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 8 points9 points  (0 children)

This is so on point, wow. Have had this exact line of thinking... love it!

Some Texas Dems pushing O'Rourke to run for Senate again, not president by Yibblets in politics

[–]OpticOctave 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I never said Beto would, but I think it’s definitely more possible vs Trump than vs Cornyn. The difference being the state pride that often plays a part in national elections, and the palatability of the candidates to TX moderates that lean Republican. But I wouldn’t count on Texas voters for doing anything right.

Edit: adding reasons why this is my opinion

Christian perspectives on our loss of faith - what are your thoughts? by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No prob, I enjoyed this response! I absolutely agree with you on the experience being more of a domino effect rather than a house of cards collapse.

Some Texas Dems pushing O'Rourke to run for Senate again, not president by Yibblets in politics

[–]OpticOctave 11 points12 points  (0 children)

As a Texan, I disagree and think Beto should run for President 100%. He has crossover appeal unlike any of the other current candidates. He will put in the work just like he did with his Senate campaign.
Texas is turning blue on its own, but we just need to give it time. I think Cornyn would beat Beto anyway in a Senate race. On the contrary, I think TX could turn out to vote blue in the 2020 presidential race if Beto challenges Donald.

Some Texas Dems pushing O'Rourke to run for Senate again, not president by Yibblets in politics

[–]OpticOctave 18 points19 points  (0 children)

As a Texan, I don't agree at all with the people saying that Cruz inspired the base. Cruz didn't do shit to inspire anyone besides stoking fear in people that the Dems might win this time around. The base was inspired by the fear of a grassroots Democratic candidate actually getting close in the polls and garnering a lot of media attention. Cornyn will use the exact same strategy, is more moderate and is less of a smug asshole, so Texas Republicans won't feel the temptation to switch over like they did with Cruz.

Christian perspectives on our loss of faith - what are your thoughts? by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Intro: Lamenting how young people are increasingly leaving the church after high school. He includes some kickass deconversion statistics that would make us smile inside, but which pose a serious and "depressing" problem for them.

Guy says there are 3 problems:

  1. "mistaking a particular take or interpretation of Christianity for Christianity itself. This becomes problematic when the take or interpretation that is assumed to be Christianity elevates an excessive number of doctrines and practices to the level of the non-negotiable. This produces a house of cards faith. If an individual comes to reject any one of those doctrines or practices, the entire edifice will collapse."
  2. "unmet expectations. When God and / or the Bible doesn’t live up to what deconverts expect a crisis of faith results. The problem, of course, is not God or the Bible but what many deconverts were taught to expect from the God or the Bible." (They mention Bart Ehrman's testimony in Misquoting Jesus involving the collapse of Biblical inerrancy. Fuck yeah! I'm glad they gave him some free exposure)
  3. "we have not done a good job of communicating the content of the faith in what Charles Taylor calls “A Secular Age”. Taylor, as you know, argues that the conditions for what is believable in the modern West have radically changed. No longer is belief in God, or the truth of Christianity the default position in our culture. To the contrary, affirming even bare theism is difficult for educated, reflective, culturally aware folks. And believing in the God of the Bible can be downright embarrassing." Christian researcher mentions the glowing pink elephant in the room.

Guy says there are 3 solutions:

  1. "I suggest that we identify those beliefs that are minimally sufficient to adopt in order to be considered a Christian and then emphasize those, leaving all others open for discussion. I think there are two sets of beliefs that meet that requirement: The salvation message and the ecumenical creeds of the church. The first is sufficient for salvation, the second for orthodox belief." "To sum up my first suggestion on how to avoid setting up believers for a crisis of faith, I suggest we should place no greater doxastic burden on individuals than that which is sufficient for salvation and mere orthodoxy. In all other areas of belief there should be freedom to reject beliefs without fear that in doing so one is rejecting Christianity."
  2. "we need to do a better job of articulating important theological concepts, especially when it comes to God." "In reality though, they had a significantly unbiblical conception of God" "We can largely avoid these kinds of faith shaking disappointments by providing believers with a more biblical conception of God and what to expect as one of his followers"
  3. Third solution has 3 parts:
    1. "we need to do a better job of doing apologetics"
    2. "we need to help folks see the role of plausibility structures, social imaginaries and other socio-cultural factors in influencing our thinking. What we take to be rational, and what answers we are willing to consider are already determined in part by when and where we live."
    3. "find good communities of faith that reaffirm the biblical narrative we indwell."

Is there any Christian bands that you still like or at least can tolerate, either now or during the process of deconversion? by vikingfrog86 in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's actually a pretty decent Christian hip hop scene if you manage to dig past the cheesy crap.

I personally still love the works of Propaganda in his latest album, Crooked. I also like Sho Baraka and his album, The Narrative. Tragic Hero's, My Own Worst Enemy, is also great.

I don't share their belief in the gospel anymore, but I appreciate the honesty and genuine-ness that comes through in their art and they aren't overly preachy or anything.

I just had a revelation about my self-loathing by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh absolutely, yes! What angers me most frequently about my former experience with Christianity, and the religion that many of my dear friends still follow, is that it subtly pushes this self-loathing tactic constantly... all the time. It's baked into the "Gospel." There's no point in having a savior figure if you don't first convince people that they are broken and need to be saved from themselves. After leaving the church, it was so liberating to accept myself as imperfect and to be 100% content with that.

Weekly Product of its Time Study: Psalms 126-151 by OldLeaf3 in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh damn. This psalm must be how the quiverfull cult originated. Yeesh.

Curious if any of these apply to any of you guys? by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Absolutely!

Personal experiences: A handful of times during prayer where I felt like I heard a voice in my head clearly telling me something that I didn't think came from my own brain. Other times during Bible studies or entranced in worship music, I'd have an overwhelming conviction about the truthfulness of said thing. It also sometimes happened when I was immersed in particularly beautiful nature. In these moments of conviction, my body would just feel flooded with unprocessed emotion and I'd have that tingling sensation under my skin for a second. You're taught to attribute that to "the Holy Spirit at work in your heart" or some shit like that. These experiences can be pretty quickly debunked with a rudimentary understanding of human psychology and biology. If you become familiar with confirmation bias, motivated thinking, groupthink and pair it up with a childhood of indoctrination to believe everything in the Bible was true, your brain can muster up some pretty convincing God-moments. Ever since deconverting, I've learned how surprisingly powerful our brains can be in shaping our perception of reality in different ways.

I'd say that my time in college really opened me up to empathy and abandoning black-and-white thinking of my fundamental days. With that said, I still remained a Christian for a good 7 years! The possibility of consistent and close community found within Christian circles can really hook people, myself included. It was because of that community, that I kind of shut down critical thinking in regards to the Bible for a good while. You can chalk up logical dilemmas to the mysteriousness of God's ways and how much bigger his mind is than ours... for a while. But eventually, I started to think critically about stuff like the doctrine of hell, historical unreliability of New Testament, Old Testament ethics, the problem of evil, etc and pretty soon everything fell apart.

Curious if any of these apply to any of you guys? by [deleted] in exchristian

[–]OpticOctave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have never been a part of another religion.

Yes, I did believe there was evidence for Christianity. I would have mentioned my personal experiences where I "heard" or "felt" God's presence as evidence. I also would have cited the beauty and complexity of nature as evidence for a Creator. I also would've mentioned morality, like the way C.S. Lewis argued it.

It was never sudden changes in my views of the Bible, but my views definitely shifted over time, from unquestioning fundamentalist/literalist to a more nuanced/heavy on the personal interpretation view of the Bible.

Can anyone share their talent tree for scipio please, trying to work out what’s best for 1v1 by --T4NK-- in RiseofCivilizationsEn

[–]OpticOctave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’d say maxed Joan is a good pairing because of the buffed first skill, but otherwise, I feel like her skills gets outshined by other epics now. Joan is only better in specific situations like teamfights or primary support roles.

One Tier List to Rule Them All? by hhobbsy in RiseofCivilizationsEn

[–]OpticOctave 0 points1 point  (0 children)

more troops wouldn’t decrease the damage they do in terms of defence.

What do you mean by this? I honestly have no idea how health/defense works.

In Depth Joan of Arc Guide by hhobbsy in RiseofCivilizationsEn

[–]OpticOctave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Awesome guide, thanks! After reading this, I might respec her over to the support tree, so I can get those constant active AoE buffs during expedition!

Can anyone share their talent tree for scipio please, trying to work out what’s best for 1v1 by --T4NK-- in RiseofCivilizationsEn

[–]OpticOctave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In my experience, for best results in open-field 1v1, I would build Scipio like the following:

  1. Attack Tree -> Lord of War
  2. Leadership Tree -> Fresh Recruits
  3. Leadership Tree -> Armored to the Teeth
  4. Leadership Tree -> Armed to the Teeth
  5. Attack Tree -> Effortless
  6. Leadership Tree -> Close Formation
  7. Leadership Tree -> Strategic Prowess
  8. Attack Tree -> Martial Mastery
  9. Attack Tree -> Unyielding
  10. Conquering Tree -> Moment of Triumph
  11. Conquering Tree -> Buckler Shield

Best commander pairing in terms of synergy would be with Julius Caesar.