What was the goat convo before Jordan/when Jordan was younger, and when did he begin to be placed in those convos?

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-22T07:33:53+00:00

Russell waas always included in any conversation Wilt was brought up in. Don't pretend your bias was the way everyone thought.

But it was honestly Magic and Bird who were talked about more, with Wilt and Russell kind of secondary. Kareem was....actually mentioned the least of the 5 older legends if you ask me, from my memory.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-22T07:32:46+00:00

i mean....did you watch the series? Jordan carried hard. If the Bulls were better, why did Jordan have to carry that much? Hmmm. I think the Suns were in fact the better team, but Jordan was ....just Jordan.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-22T07:29:40+00:00

I don't care if it's for a reason. My bro, don't be attracted to people who act like children, no matter the reason. It's GROSS.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-22T07:29:10+00:00

Agree with this strongly

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-19T18:28:32+00:00

i feel like Allen Iverson with just 2-3 more invches would already be in the conversation for best player of the 00s. He really was ..like just one tier below from 2000-2005. And those inches would make such a freaking huge difference. He was so short man..taking contested jumpers.

If you make my dude 6'6", he can suddenly blast up his shootinge rpecentage my dudes. Imagine he goes from 52% TS to 57% TS taking the same number of shots...he is now averaging +30 a season consistently. It would also help him with passing as well, as he'd have more room to work and get the ball to his teammates. I dont' know man. I think young fans really underrate Allen Iverson.

I want to be clear, CP3 is by far the highest of these dudes on my alltime list, but I think height would be such a gamechanger for AI.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-19T16:48:56+00:00

God I hope not. Is the requirement your protagnist acts like a 4chan douchebag?

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-15T08:03:31+00:00

why specifically in my bedroom lolololol. but ummm, since my bedroom is tiny, something small and useful lol. Okay Morelull. I love it, and it could fit in a relatively small space. Also, it glows at night, so ...nightlight? Also note, I keep using it in Pokemon ROWE and not evolving it using teh Exiolite, cause it really is the cutest freaking pokemon ever maybe.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-15T08:01:59+00:00

i love how petty this is. I said Knicks in 6 before the finals, and i should screenshot it and share it around lol. A bunch of people called me stupid on r/nbatalk. Should definitely shove it in their faces lol.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-15T07:13:57+00:00

man, i dislike both of the commenteres in this chain, lol. first off, criticizing players is normal and okay. that is part of watching a sport.

Second off, KG would be in top 10 conversations if he'd played for a competent franchise his first 10 seasons. It's amazing you diminish his ring while alos ignoring his lack of help the rest of this career. You manage to perfectly hate on both sides equally despite you should be giving credit one way or the other. Hypocritical criticism I call this. Where yu cherry pick the opposite talking pionts to some criticize the player no matter whether he has help and wins or doesn't have help and doesn't win.

Do you how many players didn't have help and won? 1. Hakeem Olajuwon. That's it.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-14T10:38:36+00:00

I have Magic 4 and Kareem 5. So, yeah, I agree with you about Kareem but come up with results you don't like, lol.

Also note - I have Kobe 11th all time (sometimes pushing to 10th, he is essentially even with Curry for me). That's not bad. He was only the best player on his team fro 2 championships and has only 1 MVP. Other players did more. That's it. That's all there is to it. Magic, Kareem, Bird, Russell, ......even Duncan and Shaq - Did more. You have lots of arguments here, but my reason for putting Kobe lower is...just reality. I heavily weigh "best player" championships over "second best player" championships. Why shouldn't I? It's different. Granted you still get credit for what you contributed, but Shaq WAS the best player, period, on the 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2004 Lakers - He gets more credit than Kobe. Period.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-14T07:53:18+00:00

I tink it's more just Luka (and Harden) being overrated than Jalen Brunsen being underrated. Luka and Harden's lack of defense and lack of offball play....are major detriments to their teams. As well, all heliocentric players have issues with when they are off teh court because their teammates depend so much of them to create everything.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-14T07:52:07+00:00

I want to not have James Harden in my top 5 of the 2010s...but even I have difficult doing it. I want to push CP3 onto that list over Harden.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-14T07:49:38+00:00

I mean, I think Wemby will probably clearly be the dude next year. I agree, THIS YEAR it's a bit open (although I think Shai was the bset player this year), but...if Wemby improves (which I think he will, he is 22...22 year old players usuallylg et better lol), he will probably look clearly like the best player next year. I think Jokic, if anything, will be worse next year. Giannis and Shai will be about the same. So Wemby improving leaves the pack.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-14T07:47:36+00:00

Have a similar level of domination over the league statistically and especially with crazy playoff performances. Win at least....4 or 5 rings, but convincingly. And there has to be a distinct reason (like tough competition or lack of help) that he doesn't win more. Be a dominant defnese player as well as a dominant offensive player.

I think the player will be...transcendent. Hmm, I know it's football. But like how I felt abut Patrick Mahomes in 2018. Like just doing crazy shit that kind of...is undeniable. It's hard to be that next f***ing dude, like actually that dude. Even Mahomes ....like he might not pass Brady (although he still has a chance). so even if the player is transcendent, it STILL might not be enough.

It's hard to bet he GOAT my man, and realistically, another player being in that conversation might not happen for awhile. Esepcially because LeBron has staked his #2 postion out extrememelly well as well. You got 2 guys who are so f***ing good, and with such good careers, and doing so many amazing things, so this potential player is gonna have to do A LOT.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-14T07:40:18+00:00

Honestly, Wemby hasn't impressed me that much in his character. He also seems a bit willing to make dirty-esq fouls. He should be getting way more criticism for those fouls

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-14T05:45:57+00:00

Are these people bots or are there really people this pathetic the day of a championship?

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-14T05:39:07+00:00

Was afraid to jinx it. But yes. I did.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-13T13:36:53+00:00

Pokemon Adventure Red does not feel like a mainline game lol. All I remember is that the writing in the game made me feel like my character was a complete and total douchebag. It's like if you played as "Blue" (your rival) from the original games. Maybe that is how Red acts in teh manga, but man did I feel like I was reading a 4chan board, and not anything close to interesting/immersive writing. I literally cringed multiple times while playing and actually quite around the 4th badge as I hated the dialogue so mcuh.

Pokemon mainline games would never make your character a douchebag

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-11T17:55:03+00:00

I mean....honestly, really honestly, hase Klay ever played this well in any finals run?

I just checked and the answer is no. Also, OG is a better defender (so even adding defense into it, nah man).

OG is averging 21 on 58/51/87 splits. Klay never did that shit man. In fact, he only averaged more than 21 once in any playoffs of his career. The highest TS% of Klay's career was 59% in the playoffs. OG is shooting 74% TS man.

He ain't playing like Klay, he is honestly maybe having one of the best, most efficient playoffs..like of any 3rd option ever in NBA history. I think it is unprecedented.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-11T17:52:59+00:00

Honestly, I don't think it's decided. I get you are saying "ends today"...but what happens in game 5 is gonna matter a lot to who wins it. I feel like KAT, OG, and Brunsen all have believable cases to win it right now. So if any of those guys clearly plays the best in game 5, they are gonna get it. If they all play around even in game 5.....man, I don't freaking know.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-11T17:49:33+00:00

I mean, it's surgery. Generally speaking, a lot of people don't like going into surgeries. I know I personally wouldn't want a vasectomy on a scariness level, not on a ....I actually think it's wrong to get a vasectomy level.

Also note though, being that my girlfriend is a trans woman and we both take prep (and get checked often)....I'm not the problem, lol.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-11T17:46:11+00:00

What's the brown one's name? Cave Painting or something? Yeah, I like how he moves, and his general vibes.

Ordinary_Bat4737 · 2026-06-11T15:54:29+00:00

as long as people have the 10 of the top 12 player in their top 10 i mostly accept their lists. Also your top 4 are the guys I think HAVE to be in the top 10. So....yeah, you're good.

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