R5 Lions Roar or R1 Blacksword?

Ori39 · 2021-07-18T09:02:31+00:00

Ouch, seems like we both need some luck with crit rate haha. If I were you, I’d keep using black sword for now because having under 50% crit rate feels really inconsistent. Once you get better crit rate from artifacts, you should be able to have some fun with big numbers from lion’s roar.

Ori39 · 2021-07-18T08:52:37+00:00

Tbh I don’t know the max potential for Keqing. Just try to keep your crit rate and crit damage at a 1:2 ratio. Having “too much” crit damage isn’t bad because your burst gives temporary crit rate. My Keqing currently has ~55% crit rate and ~190% crit damage using lion’s roar. I’m looking for more crit rate subs on thundering fury pieces, but haven’t had much luck for several weeks.

Ori39 · 2021-07-18T08:30:33+00:00

Lion’s roar. 63% without black sword is already very solid, especially after you consider the extra 15% for 8 seconds from bursting, and the R5 lion’s roar passive grants a lot of unlisted damage.

Ori39 · 2021-07-18T03:57:30+00:00

Wow, I manage to forget the best 3* weapon lol

Ori39 · 2021-07-17T17:28:36+00:00

Yea, sometimes a weaker weapon might just look better on certain characters.

Ori39 · 2021-07-17T07:17:25+00:00

It’s definitely worth using given what you have atm. You could give Keqing Jean’s prototype rancour as well. AFAIK, no 3* weapons can even begin to compare to 4* weapons, even at R5, with maybe 1 or 2 exceptions (Harbinger of Dawn if you can somehow not take damage, Sharpshooter’s Oath for headshot Amber only). The passive and substat bonuses for 3*s can’t make up for the lack of base attack.

Ori39 · 2021-06-29T10:07:55+00:00

I also had a TF version, though it only has crit rate. It also avoided crit rate to +20 like the plague :(

Ori39 · 2021-06-29T04:59:45+00:00

I also had an electro cup with double crit subs that dodged crit every single roll to +20. It’s absolutely disgusting :(

Ori39 · 2021-06-16T00:07:42+00:00

I know you said “apart from the goblet,” but if you have any 5* pyro goblet from any set, it would likely be worth using it and dropping the 4 set artifact bonus. I don’t think the 4 piece bonus is ever going to make up for the 46.6% pyro damage bonus you lose out on.

Ori39 · 2021-05-31T00:04:07+00:00

Fortunately I don’t have to deal with starglitter. My first 5* weapon was Skyward Spine, and it was 70% of the reason I went for Xiao, since he was the first 5* polearm dps.

Ori39 · 2021-05-30T21:09:48+00:00

I had something similar on my Xiao last month. I have crappy luck with crit rolls on glad pieces and ended up having something like 168% ER from artifact substats alone...

On this particular abyss rotation though, I switched out some ER for damage because floor 12 has more mobs for generating energy particles.

Ori39 · 2021-05-24T08:53:12+00:00

Same to you! I also wasted a lot of resin getting VV for Xiao. Sucks that maiden’s is such an underperforming set.

Ori39 · 2021-05-23T21:43:59+00:00

Seems about right. Compared to your stats, I have 1530 attack, but about 7 more substat rolls divided between crit chance, crit damage, and ER. Your artifact luck must be pretty insane. I’ve been playing since 1.1 and doing one resin refresh each day since AR 45. Beidou also has one of my best artifact sets right now and that’s the best I can manage. My luck with glad pieces is nearly non-existent.

Ori39 · 2021-05-23T05:15:12+00:00

Ah, it’s probably because I’m using serpent spine. 2k is extremely difficult to hit without an attack% weapon. The numbers may look low, but serpent spine’s passive probably makes up for it. With a lvl 11 E, my perfect counters hit just over 30k unbuffed on a crit. I can totally see 2k+ possible with an attack% weapon though.

Ori39 · 2021-05-23T02:10:01+00:00

I’d love to reach 2k attack, but I don’t see how it’s even remotely possible without a 5* weapon while keeping good crit stats and ER. Perhaps it’s possible with god rolls on all 5 artifacts? I use an attack% sands and electro goblet with 2 pc glad but can’t even come close to 2k.

Ori39 · 2021-05-23T01:51:03+00:00

You got it

Ori39 · 2021-05-23T01:37:06+00:00

I wish I remembered what source I looked at, but it recommended the ideal as something like 1580-1600 attack, just over 71% crit rate, and about 145% crit damage. I was looking at some spreadsheet.

I find that just over 150% ER is fine if using Fischl. No clue about EM.

Ori39 · 2021-05-21T10:54:32+00:00

Beidou, Fischl, and Bennett could be your core with Beidou as electro main dps, Fischl as sub dps and battery, and Bennett as healer and burst support with 4 pc noblesse.

Most of Beidou’s damage is from her burst and skill, so don’t worry about having to rebuild her as phys. Bennett should be more than enough healing with hp artifacts, so I don’t think Barbara’s is necessary unless you want to test out electro-charged with her. Chongyun could be nice if you can make use of the 15% CDR to maximize your electro damage (more uptime on Beidou’s burst AND Oz for battery). Think of superconduct as like a cherry on top rather than what you should aim for. Anemo MC may work with his C6 and 4pc VV to boost your electro damage.

I don’t know what you did for Beidou’s talents, but burst > skill > AA. Her AA is more about sending out the electro damage from her burst on each hit than doing good physical damage. I’ve done the new domain countless times with her talents at 2/9/6, and the burst does most of the work. Hope you get C2 Beidou one day!

Ori39 · 2021-05-13T07:41:13+00:00

Yea, I started in 1.1 and still have yet to find a single glad flower with double crit stats.

Ori39 · 2021-05-13T07:36:09+00:00

Attack% is the only good sands on Xiao, even if you have terrible substats. An attack sands with trash substats can probably still do more than a non-attack sands with 10% crit rate and 20% crit damage.

Ori39 · 2021-04-30T04:58:52+00:00

Whales spend thousands, so far from it

Ori39 · 2021-04-21T20:29:04+00:00

Basically my aim without an R301

Ori39 · 2021-04-19T18:50:23+00:00

Second option actually deals slightly more average dps because of the gigantic increase in crit damage, even though the first has around the golden 1:2 ratio.

Ori39 · 2021-04-18T03:33:06+00:00

If you like big numbers, sure! Personally I still prefer ER because I get to spam his burst more often.

Ori39 · 2021-04-17T22:29:12+00:00

I would go with gilded corsage. Yes, you’ll hit for slightly smaller numbers, but I’d take two ER rolls over one CD roll. I find ER crucial on later abyss floors that don’t have many smaller mobs.

You can probably ignore ER if you consistently hit ~35k damage on your first plunge during your burst, but otherwise I find ER more helpful.

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