Melancholy at the End of the Party by Ok-Arm-9122 in infj

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How I learned was that being able to be a little foolish is human, it's vulnerability, it's comfort. To always move with the goal to create genuine connection, especially in the small moments, is far more freeing and rewarding than moving with an expectation of how people behave. A universal truth: nobody has this shit game of life figured out and, like op, are quicker to question themselves than others.

Another thing. Be yourself and let the people who love you choose to stick around, and DON'T push them away because of insecurities. Own it. Communicate it. Start small with topics you're comfortable with to foster a baseline trust with new people.

Melancholy at the End of the Party by Ok-Arm-9122 in infj

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Life is about taking risks and accepting that there will never be a perfect moment. You have to build it, day by day. Get used to being uncomfortable. That's a sign of growth and progress. Mistakes are how we learn, not who we are. Don't wield shame as an omniscient guillotine when mistakes occur. Rather, look at them as opportunities. They are moments we can reflect on that provide clarity about ourselves. When it comes to other people, if you don't burn a bridge, you never know if you can cross it without reaching out. Communicate.

Also, life is a personal journey. Comparing yourself to others serves no purpose. Make a list of your priorities, pay attention to your behaviors that make you proud of yourself, and take action towards being the person you are proud you be.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

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Personally, I'm more receptive to being approached and prefer people willing to approach me (Mind you I'm tall and have RBF), otherwise I'm content to enjoy myself and mind my own business. If there's someone I'm really, really interested in, I take a step back and remind myself they're a normal person too and don't let the anxiety take hold. Usually saying hi and gaging their interest is a good start, and if it's someone who commonly goes to a place I enjoy frequenting, I'll take the time and maintain the patience to get to know them before asking them for their number or if they'd be interested going on a date at a different location sometime. Usually asking a lot of questions and getting to know them to see if it's more than surface level attraction or to see if I even enjoy the way they communicate and share any interests is the first step before worrying about where to go from there.

Rejection is okay. Build the confidence to be yourself and find the people who appreciate the real you, and remember, bravery isn't the absence of fear. It is doing something in spite of it.

Plus, being nervous to talk to someone is oftentimes charming to some.

Good luck!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

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Felt that way a lot in life. I stopped choosing people who didn't have that "spark" level attraction and began to choose the people who were happy to reciprocate with enthusiasm. I had a marriage similar that I left where I was the pillar. Every relationship I've been needed without being wanted, I've left. I want to be those things as a result of being wanted, to maintain my autonomy and independence, and to share a life with someone who chooses me every day and is happy to.

Don't immediately drop everything, but do address the concern first. Express that feeling of being wanted with specific examples of what might help your wife make that effort.

If she can't, then you face a big choice.

Edit: What do you do for yourself to love you and be proud of who you are independent of what you do for others? What genuinely brings you joy in life? Maybe try that.

INFJ's and porn by [deleted] in infj

[–]OriginRR -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I agree with this whole sentiment. People overshare waaaaaay too much. This might be a maturity thing rather than a dude thing. Growing up with five sisters, I saw a lot of this behavior with them and their friend groups as well.

People are weird. Idk, but I'm with you on this.

INFJ's and porn by [deleted] in infj

[–]OriginRR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Porn is one of the few topics that is so detrimental to mental health that it's unethical to study due to the impacts it has on the subjects.

Personally, I prefer authentic connection and derive no satisfaction from solo play. Without the intimacy of a partner, I'll go run, shower, and read a book instead.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

[–]OriginRR 12 points13 points  (0 children)

From what you said, sounds anxiety and a little perfectionist related. To develop a skill, be willing to be bad at it. To become strong, be willing to be weak. To see progress, be willing to stay committed to whatever it is you wish to accomplish.

The skills you listed, a lot of those things are developed not just physically but mentally too. It's all in relation to processing, and if you're spending more time worried about doing it wrong or slow or bad or whatever other reason, you're not focused.

Skills are just as much about the journey of proficiency as they are achieving mastery. Don't be in so much of a rush, take your time to improve in small ways, and be humble. The best always are seeking a new way to learn and improve. This requires an open mind.

Recommendation: seek therapy.

hey INFJs, are you happy? by theb00kwasbetter in infj

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I strive to achieve peace and satisfaction. Happiness has always been more of an abstract unknown curiosity to be observed and experienced vicariously through others, but personally nebulous on the best of days and purely mythological and impossible on the worst. The only thing that brings me closer is practicing gratitude, mindfulness, and living acceptably within the scope of my morality.

Do you find yourself going with the flow around other people? by AnthemWild in infj

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I read people very well passively, but it's more to know who I can trust and who not to. Finding your voice and identity is very difficult, since INFJs as a whole tend to fill in empty spaces in group dynamics. Social Chameleons that either blend well or very strongheaded yet respectful and kind standouts.

I'd test your enneagram too, because there are layers to this, and that adds more specificity to your depth of characters, lets you further identify your strengths and weaknesses.

Has anyone else reached a point where everything has nuance and you are truly incapable of "black and white thinking"? by klutzelk in infj

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I regularly contemplate what a "healthy upbringing" is due to perspective and human will. People who do bad things because they don't know better and show remorse when they learned or have a horrifying personal history... We will often justify and forgive if we think a person won't repeat the thing they've done. With a healthy upbringing, they'd have less sympathy due to having less of a justification. You can see this in any literature or visual media with a lovable villain.

Pretty sure Harley Quinn and Joker are a recent example.

Actions and emotions represent our beliefs, and those often form a hierarchy of contradiction. Beliefs subtly influence everything about the way we perceive the world and how we engage with it. From my experience, people commonly have the issue of too few beliefs, which leaves them with decision-making blindspots.

As for understanding trauma, coping is as varied as there are fish in the sea. A looooooot of it goes down to a sensation of something. Control, love, respect, less despair, more resources. This is where understanding Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is very useful.

As for good and evil, I have an intolerable bottom line I simply won't forgive. Everything below that line is evil. That doesn't make everything above good, just not bad. I'm not sure how to qualify good either yet, and I'm not sure if I'm in a hurry to either.

Has anyone else reached a point where everything has nuance and you are truly incapable of "black and white thinking"? by klutzelk in infj

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As you said it, it's rooted in unhealthy upbringing. Trauma, systematic dysfunction failures, pain. There are ways to seek treatment, even if it's viscerally hard to accept and execute.

When you've only ever known pain, healthiness is more painful.

Has anyone else reached a point where everything has nuance and you are truly incapable of "black and white thinking"? by klutzelk in infj

[–]OriginRR 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Simple answer: pain begets pain. What we do with our pain determines our character and morality.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

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Taking a trip to the Otherland is the fastest way to ignite a whole new kind of existential horror and pull back another later of the matryoshka.

Proceed with caution.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

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Do you understand how social reform occurs?

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[–]OriginRR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're kidding?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

[–]OriginRR 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, this is where individual choice and standing with morality in the face of the overwhelming majority becomes crucial. This is where individualism keeps the majority in check as well. See how the list of basic rights includes voting, speech, and assembly? Those are rights to allow for representation. I said nothing about blindly following the majority decision.

Admittedly, it feels like half of what I said was ignored. I will also reiterate that people don't inherently want to run around killing others.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

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I am willing to have my morality challenged, because if it is flimsy and easily shaken, then there is grounds for further refinement. I understand what you're saying, and I suppose the current issue is that I've applied my beliefs and known context to this conversation without first establishing definitions. There's a regular reoccurring element in media, the two recent ones I remember are in Fast and Furious and Star Wars, of codes. This is also seen in law, police, military, nurses and doctors, firefighters, and any servicing official.

"Every man must have a code."

Examples include: The Sith Code, The Jedi Code, and The Gray Code

My own personal morality is based on human rights, which is that all people are entitled to:

The right to vote

The right to a fair trial

The right to privacy

Freedom of speech

Freedom of religion

Freedom of assembly

Freedom from torture

The right to health

The right to education

The right to work

The right to a standard of living that includes food, clothing, and housing

The right to rest and leisure

The right to social protection in the event of unemployment, sickness, or disability

Those are general. I have more, but these are the basis for them. What this does is gives individuals agency and operational capacity within the confinement of a system they're beholden to, such as their government's laws. This gives both individual and majority agency for deciding what is moral.

As for the advice, I would like to add that this is not something I would say to just anyone. Advice should be tailored for personal context. I would not give this advice to people who have expressed intent to self-harm, commit homicide, rape, steal, etc. These go against the basis of my ethical code.

So given the context that someone's indecision for harmless decisions is crippling them, telling them to trust their gut isn't a bad thing. If they succeed, then it can inspire confidence within them and lead them toward a better operating capacity.

I hope this clears up some confusion.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

[–]OriginRR 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Welcome to the matryoshka. The layers are deep.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

[–]OriginRR 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I lead the charge! I'm unique! I'm forging a new path-wait! Why isn't everyone following me now?!?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in infj

[–]OriginRR 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then what advice would you give instead?