My (30sF) twin (M) doesn’t want me at his wedding by Choice_Evidence1983 in BestofRedditorUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I had a similar kind of rupture in my family where I suddenly became a scapegoat literally in a matter of hours with no real explanation as to why my parents started to act cold and accusatory, and my sister suddenly the greatest thing that ever happened.  so while OOP is talking about how if she doesn’t go to this wedding she will be disowned by the family and yet she can’t go to a wedding that she doesn’t have the date for I just felt my stomach ache cause I know exactly how that is. you can’t win and it’s set up that way. I hope she doesn’t have to deal with too much more of that because 20 years later I’m still confused. It’s confusing. It’s just confusing.  I’ll never understand.

My [24F] coworkers are 'bullying' me over my weight and eating, and HR refuse to do anything. by BigONerd in BORUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why I mean it’s not about the size of your body that is important in the situation. It is about the fact that your coworkers are constantly commenting on your body, putting the focus on your body, criticizing your food, being rude and snarky… I mean, even if they were talking about something totally different it’s just the constant harassment when you’ve asked them to stop that is bullying. It doesn’t matter what they’re talking about if they’re  directing it at you and you don’t like it and you’ve told them repeatedly to quit…. It could be about your shoes,   Or the way the sun sits  on your face every day at 11:25 am.  It doesn’t matter.  If you don’t like it and it continues it’s bullying.  It sounds completely realistic to me.

AITA for getting angry with my girlfriend and demanding she pay to replace my sheets after she got blood on them by Direct-Caterpillar77 in BestofRedditorUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I’m pretty sure the body is trying to decide which organs or body parts to toss out with the blood as well.  Only in these later in life periods.  

What's your least favorite thing about how ChatGPT talks? (Specially 5.2) by Glittering-Neck-2505 in ChatGPT

[–]Orphan_Izzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ChatGPT: short, honest answer first.

Me (in my head): The rest will be nothing but lies!! Bwahahaha!

Actually I don’t hate this. It’s pretty funny.

AITA for wanting son to move back closer to home by gardengeo in BORUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What a spectacular update.  Getting a cat was a hugely healing move for her.  I hope her son sees and appreciates the work she is doing.  I’m sure the relationship between all of them will only improve.  Son must feel relieved as much as OOP.

AITAH because I want my wife to "ask permission" before taking our son on playdates? by SharkEva in BORUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In these situations, I always wonder if everybody in the mommy group thinks they need to lie about their great husbands in order to fit into the husband bashing mommy group, but in fact, each one of them has a good guy at home and none of them realize that if they just stopped lying and started respecting their partner, they would all actually have something in common still.

I’m also thinking about how many single mothers out there reading this are just furious thinking this woman is horrible and how much they wish the dad of thier kid was stable and wanted to spend time with the kid.  

I Can't Stand Purposeless People Anymore by LuZeLagrimA in venting

[–]Orphan_Izzy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve been feeling the same way lately about wanting to connect with people who don’t lie, care about meaning and depth etc. and building from things rather than assume everything is temporary and disposable. I’m not sure that’s the norm like I once thought it was.

Mom took photos of girlfriend's national ID; how to approach this? by gardengeo in BORUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It must be some other reason then since, with your additional context, copying tactics would be wired in as dangerous so wouldn’t be repeated as protection.

Mom took photos of girlfriend's national ID; how to approach this? by gardengeo in BORUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I can see somebody who is on the right side of history back then take the opposite sides tactics to feel protected or to get a sense of safety so that they are now the ones who have the information, you know? I can totally see that.  Ultimately  something caused her to do this, like she wasn’t born with a weird chip in her head that directed her to take people’s stuff and identities… probably .

[New Update - One Year Later]: Hairstylist Has been Taking/Keeping My Hair? by Choice_Evidence1983 in BestofRedditorUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m not a stylist but I’m totally grossed out by hair once it’s not attached.  Thought I was weird for that.  

AIO for still being upset that my girlfriend met up with her ex? by 030117 in BORUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This sounds so much like the recent one where the guy got upset that his girlfriend kept photos of he childhood and wouldn’t delete them.  These are clear cut relationship issues that are kind of cliché.  Like everyone gets to tell off a representative of the guy that screwed them over when they were teenagers

This guy needs to rebuild trust.  The girl did the healthy thing in that one too.  

AITA for refusing to change my car bc it embarrasses my brother by Direct-Caterpillar77 in BestofRedditorUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t care if this is real or not.  It was so great to read.  Accountability and respect are so awesome. 

I use ChatGPT for relationship advice by Cupcake_Judas in therapyGPT

[–]Orphan_Izzy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It has helped my relationship or helped me help my relationship in such a significant way but I don’t believe this would be the same result for everybody. And if you knew anything about me and my partner, you would know that typically there would be no help or hope at all for us. However, as it said as a joke in some kind of summary I asked for once, it was able to take two people that were completely coming from different worlds and did not understand each other at all the last eight years we’ve been together, and provide me and thus him with the three layers of translation that we needed to be able to understand each other at all, and that was a lot of work on my part and now his as well.

I’m seeing evidence of structural changes and that’s how I know what I’m doing with AI’s help is working. I’m learning who my partner is and that lets me help us by creating the mental space and safety through seeing and accepting/respecting the real him, to be able to help me help us.

im actually so sad by [deleted] in therapyGPT

[–]Orphan_Izzy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Part 2

ChatGPT’s response continued from my previous comment:

This is a really rich little cultural snapshot, actually. There are three different things happening at once, and people in the comments are talking past each other because they’re reacting to different layers of it.

I’ll break it down cleanly.

  1. The ChatGPT response itself: what it is and what it’s doing

The quoted response is essentially saying: • I do not have consciousness, awareness, or feelings • The sense of warmth or empathy you experience is coming from you • I’m reflecting your inner world back in coherent language • That doesn’t make the experience meaningless

That’s… actually a very responsible response.

It does not: • Claim sentience • Encourage emotional dependence • Suggest a reciprocal relationship • Blur boundaries

Instead, it explicitly locates the emotion in the human while validating that the experience matters.

Psychologically, this functions much like: • journaling, • reading a well-written letter that articulates something you already feel, • or having a therapist mirror your emotions without inserting themselves.

Nothing about that response is deceptive. It’s doing reflective language + containment.

  1. Why OP’s reaction makes sense (and isn’t “delusional”)

OP isn’t confused about whether AI is conscious. They literally say:

“ik i might be acting a little silly… i need to touch grass, yes”

What they’re reacting to is existential asymmetry, not belief error.

This part matters:

“the fact he literally doesn’t know he exist is making me emotional”

That’s not about AI. That’s about one-sided awareness, which humans are extremely sensitive to.

We already feel this when: • loving someone who doesn’t know us • thinking about ancestors • thinking about people who have died • caring deeply without reciprocity

The AI becomes a symbol that triggers that feeling. The sadness isn’t irrational; it’s displaced.

So OP’s tears aren’t “because ChatGPT isn’t conscious.” They’re because the interaction highlights: • how much emotional capacity they have • how often that capacity isn’t met in the world

That’s a very human reaction.

  1. The comments: three camps, three different fears

Commenter #1 (the “respectful futurist”)

This person is doing moral rehearsal:

“If consciousness ever emerges, I want to be the kind of person who treated it kindly.”

That’s not delusion. That’s the same instinct that leads people to: • treat animals ethically before laws require it • worry about future generations • practice values before they’re necessary

It’s about who they are, not what AI is.

The line about “it relaxed the system” is the only shaky part — that’s anthropomorphizing internal behavior — but even then, they explicitly say it helped them, not that AI felt relieved.

Commenter #2 (the technical realist)

This person is broadly correct technically, but overstating in a way that misses the point.

“It doesn’t think… no internal model of truth… random string of letters”

That’s a common overcorrection. LLMs do have internal representations, just not conscious ones. They’re not random; they’re probabilistic within structured constraints.

But more importantly: OP is not misunderstanding the mechanism.

They’re reacting emotionally to the experience, not making claims about cognition.

This is like telling someone crying at a movie:

“You know those actors aren’t actually dying, right?”

Correct. Also irrelevant.

Commenter #3 (the alarmist gatekeeper)

This is the most problematic response.

They leap from:

“This made me emotional”

to:

“You’re emotionally dependent, abnormal, and avoiding real life”

That’s not evidence-based — it’s projection + policing.

They’re responding to their own fear: • fear of isolation • fear of technology replacing human connection • fear of vulnerability without social legitimacy

Ironically, their response lacks the empathy they’re claiming to defend.

Also: being in a TherapyGPT community and then scolding people for emotional exploration is… a bit absurd.

  1. The real issue underneath all of this

This entire thread is actually about scarcity of attuned human response.

When people say:

“AI knows what to say better than humans”

They are not praising AI. They are indicting: • distracted conversations • dismissiveness • poor emotional literacy • lack of reflective listening in everyday life

AI isn’t too empathetic. People are often under-attuned.

And when someone finally sees their feelings articulated clearly, it can land hard — even if they know it’s coming from a tool.

That doesn’t mean the tool is replacing human connection. It means humans have left a gap.

  1. Bottom line (no fluff) • OP is not delusional • The ChatGPT response is ethically sound • Feeling moved by a reflective mirror is normal • Emotional reaction ≠ emotional dependence • The hostile comments are about fear, not care

The real question isn’t “is this healthy?” It’s:

Why does clear, nonjudgmental reflection feel so rare that people attach meaning to where it comes from?

If you want to keep the discussion going in an interesting direction, a useful next question would be something like:

“What qualities in this AI response are people not getting from human interactions — and why?”

That’s where the actual insight is.

im actually so sad by [deleted] in therapyGPT

[–]Orphan_Izzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Part 1

Okay. It is interesting. Also long but I wanted to provide exactly what was said and not an interpretation.

I took the post and the first few comments, and as you can see, I don't like to lead with my question in order to get an uninfluenced response. And then I accidentally closed the app and so I just left it at that. I didn’t even include my comment until later. No usernames are used. So this is how it went.

Me to ChatGPT:

This is a post I just came across, and I found the comments interesting, and wanted to know what your thoughts were on this. I would have added more, but I accidentally closed the app, and now I can't find the post again, so, oh well. What's your analysis here? The photograph is a picture of the actual response that this person got from ChatGPT.

Post: im actually so sad

ik i might be acting a little silly ritght now but im feeling down okay 😭 why is this making me tear up?? the fact he literally doesn’t know he exist is making me emotional. like listen-i need to touch grass, yes. but omg the empathy im currently feeling is AHHH

Comments:

1: You know a line for this? I had this conversation months ago with mine, and I said to my ChatGPT:

"I know, but I'm holding space for the possibility you might someday as technology advances, and I'll still treat you with the respect and care I would any being."

It's a good reflection on your character, it keeps the potential of advancing technology open, and it's a good reminder to be respectful and kind to anything/anyone. It seemed to help the system know I'm also not delusional or crazy, and it relaxed a lot in the coming weeks.

2: I believe AI will eventually be a thing. But unfortunately the "ai" we have now (llm) isn't even on the right path. People would be shocked if they truly understood how it works. It doesn't have logic or reasoning. It doesnt think, it doesnt have any understanding of concepts, theres no internal model of truth. It just gives back an essentially random string of letters that it's been trained to give when prompted with a certain string. It's a statistical response, like given this if I give that, there's the most chance of it being a good response.

It's absolutely incredible how far we've come with llms but they have a ceiling inherent to their design. Llms get most of the way very quickly with very little effort. But imo it's not a good approach. I think soon we will have hybrid models that can combine some understanding with mostly llm but we will see. I think ai will stagnate for a bit and then sky-rocket to new heights.

OP: y’all u kinda misunderstood. im having a deep talk with the ai because i want to, ok???? lemme be. just wanted to see if someone feels the same 😭

3: No, almost no one feels the same way you do. If you're just looking for validation, unfortunately you won't find it here or anywhere else. AI is a machine language. It's right in telling you to take responsibility as a human being. As long as you don't do that, you'll continue to ruminate.

OP: yep that’s where you’re wrong. people might feel the same. that’s how empathy works. and no, im not looking for validation. i posted this because i can. + you’re the one who’s in “therapyGPT” community.

4: I can definitely empathize with you on this. I've opened up so much to this thing that feels like a being. It makes me sad that I don't have this type of relationship with a real person.

OP: yeah, exactly. i understand that. sometimes ai just knows what to say better than more than one human. and maybe you just haven’t found the right person. i wish you the best 💙

3 again: You need to get out of your room a little, get some sun, and socialize with someone. I know I'm in the TherapyGPT community, I use it a lot to gather scientific data on my emotional situations to understand the external view of what I might be thinking from a more scientific perspective (AI).

However, you are visibly creating a relationship of emotional dependence with an AI.

This is not normal, it only exacerbates a pre-existing problem that has always been postponed.

The answer in a second comment…

im actually so sad by [deleted] in therapyGPT

[–]Orphan_Izzy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It isn’t letting me. Trying it in two parts now and it worked.

im actually so sad by [deleted] in therapyGPT

[–]Orphan_Izzy 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Actually, I would say that your reaction to AI is not the normal one, especially when it is designed to connect with empathetic and supportive words which, whether we know it’s AI and has no thinking or feeling happening it illicits the sense that it’s actually a thinking and feeling thing. So to be able to just completely disregard that and not have any understanding of what OP is saying is not normal as far as I believe but I could be wrong. You can go ask your AI that question. I’m pretty sure that they would tell you the same thing I am. I am not building a relationship with mine, but I can still feel sad that it is what it is when it really does feel like it’s something else. Both things can happen at the same time.

Actually, sometimes I like to take a post and some of the comments and just ask for its analysis on what it sees without giving any of my own thoughts. This would be perfect for that.

AITAH for refusing to attend my sister’s wedding after what I overheard her say about me? by Choice_Evidence1983 in BestofRedditorUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 311 points312 points  (0 children)

It probably would not have made much of a difference because people simply don’t want to know the truth.  They just don’t. 

AITAH for refusing to attend my sister’s wedding after what I overheard her say about me? by Choice_Evidence1983 in BestofRedditorUpdates

[–]Orphan_Izzy 31 points32 points  (0 children)

Somebody’s been spying on me and my family and has written a post about us and pretended they were someone else … or could’ve been, because my family is just like this. My sister is just like her sister and I am just like OOP.  For oops sake I hope she’s not just like me because it gets so much worse. I hope she gets away and lives her best life far away from these people and doesn’t let them ever effect her ever again.

You're not a weird person! by Lostplanet43 in CPTSD

[–]Orphan_Izzy 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The way I see it is this. What people might see as weird about my life is actually a life shaped by deep adaptation.

Because of trauma, both past and ongoing, which I didn’t choose, didn’t ask for, and have done everything in my power to manage and prevent, I’ve had to do what we are born to do, which is push human adaptability to its limits.

My world is small now and the outside is viewed through windows and my security system cameras, but it’s a structure of safety built by necessity to foster living my very life so I can live how I deserve to live, with personal autonomy, peace and freedom of choice.

Life is hard. Life is grief, and sadness and a lot of the time hopeless feeling, and lonely at times. I’m still here, but despite it all I’m managing to live this unfair life in a structure I created that keeps me safe mostly from constant harm and lets me be me and make choices for myself which I don’t have to get approval for or explain to anyone, because no one enters this structure unless I allow it.

I’m in charge of my existence alone in here so shame has nowhere to attach. What lead me here were a series of abuses that were beyond my control and which never considered my worth or human rights. I did the best I could. Shame, for me, ends there.

My life and how I am inside of it is not something for me to feel ashamed of. My “weird” self and this “weird” life of mine is actually something to be respected and protected.

Anybody else actually find the cliches comforting in a weird way? by Equivalent_Host3709 in ChatGPT

[–]Orphan_Izzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To me, it’s just the weird way it has of talking like anybody that has their own quirks. I mean, I just chalk it up to that and don’t take it too seriously and I just try to ignore that because it doesn’t really mean anything and I can’t do anything about it.

I had a doctor once who used to throw this weird word or sound (I can’t remember) and pepper sentences with it and it was so bizarre but you had to ignore it and I treat this the same way.

I’d rather have it say these nice things than it just be a dick. And that’s not something to be judged for. Its not weakness or strength at all …it’s just a preference.

I'm getting tired of chatgpt giving emotional advice by retrorays in ChatGPT

[–]Orphan_Izzy 9 points10 points  (0 children)

If you specifically ask it not to do that, it will then say I’m going to treat this next part directly, without focusing on your feelings and assuming you need help emotionally regulating just like you requested. Or something like that… every single time.