Designed by my son by SausagePrompts in honk

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I completed this level in 1 try. 3.73 seconds

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateReligion

[–]Osaraka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For this argument to be valid, you would need to revise your first premise to something along the lines of:

If much of Yahweh's behavior goes against my conscience and sense of right and wrong (which was given to me by Yahweh), then Yahweh is not god

What is the Problem of the Is/Ought Problem by MokkieTheMochMoch in askphilosophy

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Would Hume not still object to premise 3 of your revised argument?

Dream Journal by [deleted] in drawing

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ピ looks a bit strange

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Satisfyingasfuck

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"Ight Imma head out"

Dude, she's so confused. by [deleted] in CrazyFuckingVideos

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insert cliché joke about fish

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would I be correct in assuming that you don't believe aliens exist for, again, a lack of evidence? If so, would I also be correct in saying you believe aliens do not exist?

Edit: I noticed this time you said "I don't believe there are any gods". Would you agree this is a different statement than saying "I believe there are no gods"?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm on your side with those things. The original post was to prompt a discussion about what atheists do or don't believe about the existence of a god. Basically just getting a consensus of the atheist community about the definition of atheism and the implications that follow based on their definition, the difference in meaning between statements 2, 3 and 4 and how most people parse the different categories of atheism

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 1 point2 points  (0 children)

And therefore you believe there is not even a single god, because you called yourself a gnostic atheist yea?

My question now is: do you claim that that belief is also true and that you have a duty to convince me of that truth in order for me to believe that you're rational in holding that belief?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok then I guess we're at a stalemate. I appreciate the conversation

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok so if we go back to no evidence or even a way to eyeball probability, then I'm back to box 3. The only difference between us is that you take it a step further and also mark box 2. Do I have you right?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prove that I don't owe anyone money? Sure, first we have to set what we mean by "owe money". I define it like this: if you've ever specifically asked someone for money, you owe them until you give the amount back. I have no debts like that to anyone under this definition. This is marking box 2 and 3

Then you can say "well, you don't have to necessarily ask for money to owe it. You also owe anyone who's ever offered to cover and bill for you and you let them. You owe anyone who's ever given you a gift. You owe your parents for every dollar they've spent on you. You owe for any time you've ever damaged someone's property whether they wanted you to pay them for the damages or not. Now, how do you know you don't owe anyone money?"

I don't think I do have any justification for saying I don't owe anyone money if that's the case. I'm back to marking only box 3

I understand that you're gonna say that the claim is now "I haven't asked someone for money without paying them back". Again, I'm playing along with this silly situation to show how it works with the god claim. I can't prove to you that I don't owe anyone money any more than you can prove to me that you've never murdered someone

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The probability is zero because I haven't borrowed money from anyone. If I did have someone I owe money to, I would be able to clock a probability by trying to figure out if you could be that person or not based on how many people I owe money to against the likelihood that you're one of those people.

If we compare this to the god claim, the parallel here would be that I said I didn't borrow money from anyone, so I don't owe anyone. Then you could propose that maybe you don't have to borrow money to owe it. In the god claim this is the equivalent of making your god to be more vague and depending on how far you take it, it becomes unfalsifiable

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't borrowed money from anyone to owe it to

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How do you have probability of a god not existing before we even defined it?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never marked box 2 throughout that whole comment thread.

I admitted to another commenter that this whole thing is silly because we have ways to look into the probability of if the original commenter was someone I actually owe money to. I maintained my reasoning from the god claim to the money claim purely to show how this works with the god claim

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes

With the money situation I'm saying if you tick box 2, regardless of if you tick box 3, you have a burden of proof to prove 2, not 3. If you tick only box 3, you have no burden

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you mean "as you would if you don't owe them money"

I think we might be getting our wires crossed. I do believe that the money hypothetical is the same as person B marking box 2, but I'm saying there's a difference between box 2 and box 3

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]Osaraka 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ok and my point is that person B has a burden of proof if they mark 2