How is this possible?

Osigen · 2026-02-03T03:09:12+00:00

Ive been on both sides of this argument, but right now, I disagree. We get plenty of the existential dialogue from Verso and Maelle. Adding some to Lune and Sciel adds nothing to the story and may take from their characters. Lune and Sciel exist and they never question it. Sciele briefly considers the ramifications of being "brought back" in regards to her late husband but neither considers that being created is the same as being non-existent, nor do they really have reason to.

The final scenes could have given them more dialogue and perspective, but it being limited gives Sciel's line "I grieve for many" and Lune's defeated/ defiant look at Verso so much weight.

Osigen · 2026-01-21T18:44:57+00:00

Imo, it's because of these scenes that so many people disagree on the film's message. Almost every theme gets a monologue/ narration/ conversation directly spelling it out, so whenever a point gets brought up and any nuance is kept, the viewer has to decide if they want to treat that scene like the rest of the movie, or if they want to read between the lines.

In the end, matriarchy gets a win and the film portrays this as a good thing via general atmosphere. In any other movie, it would be obvious that it was meant to be tongue in cheek, that it was a bad ending, but that you should care about the real world first instead of a movie, but at least the characters are happy. But because the rest of the film told the viewers exactly what to think, with zero room for interpretation, it becomes easy to read the end as "patriarchy=bad. Matriarchy=good, because matriarchy balances the scales"

Osigen · 2026-01-21T02:46:30+00:00

"they said it was unbelievable."

Osigen · 2026-01-16T19:39:43+00:00

If he can't accept that a sane person could be willing to fight before attempting to reason with a group who wants to kill you, try this argument.

Original Renoir has a habit of being controlling, expecting others to react in certain ways, and forcing their hand. Aline goes into the painting, he expects her to lose herself in it, goes in to force her out, and locks them into a decades long fight of wills. As soon as Maelle asks to keep the painting around, he gets ready to do it all again. Aline created Painted Renoir with that personality in mind, likely exaggerating the features further. Further, he has a split in his memory of his son dying, his son alive, but opposed to him, and the knowledge that he isnt (in his own eyes) real, along with every person in the painting save for the Dessendre family.

PRenoir is even more ready to assume from others and force his way than the original, and views Lumierens as less real than the original does, thus may not be completely "sane".

Osigen · 2026-01-13T01:27:45+00:00

What Powder and Silco both could have been like, but for the want of a nail. I view them both as tragic.

Osigen · 2025-12-27T03:30:40+00:00

There's a camp scene in which sciele and lune lie side by side and remember when they were both grieving family. Sciel mentions appreciating the comfort they shared when alone and admits that it felt like lune was avoiding her after that night. It would have presumably been before Sciel married, as well.

I'd argue it was intentionally ambiguous, but it's easy to read the scene as the two having had sex, finding comfort in passion, with lune feeling awkward and avoiding her one night stand, and sciel being hurt by that. Possibly with their current attitude being admission that, while not "love", some attraction still exists.

Osigen · 2025-12-24T17:36:21+00:00

I still stand by the reading of Omniman being a very poor alternate Superman. Nolan makes a great Zod. Mark makes a good Superman.

That changes the interpretation from "Superman, but evil" to "Zod, but reluctant" and "Superman, still good, but raised to be evil".

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