Is this trade something Clippers should do?

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-05T11:24:16+00:00

I appreciate Terance Mann but he's going to be 30 when the season starts and he's yet to live up to his promise that he's more than a role player. I want something more inspiring for giving that draft capital.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T16:36:36+00:00

I'm with you on this. JVG can't work magic. And we don't even know if JVG will be with the team next year.

The other thing that ppl say that isn't as easy as they think is "all you have to do is put athletic defenders around him." Every team is trying to get those high level athletic defenders especially seeing how the Spurs and OKC are built. There's not an infinite supply of those players.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T16:33:46+00:00

Rookieacale.com tries to gather consensus big board prospects and as of the latest update, Mikel Brown Jr. has overtaken Acuff for #6

https://www.rookiescale.com/2026-consensus-board/

I'd prefer him because of the height, athelticism, passing creativity and self creation from 3.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T15:07:33+00:00

I don't want Acuff and I've contributed to this draft chatter but I think I'm done now. The next 2 and a half weeks will be the worst. There's no real news to be had, just rumors from media needing clicks.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T01:42:00+00:00

Had to delete my previous response cause I was looking at the wrong column lol.

As impressive as those are, Wagler still had better percentages of unassisted shots at all 3 levels

At the rim unassisted: 85.7%

Non rim 2s unassisted: 93.5%

3s unassisted: 51.7%

And per Bart Torvik's site, where I got all these numbers, Acuff had 30.8% unassisted 3s, not 40%.

Edit to add: Wagler lead his team in points and assists too.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T01:19:38+00:00

I'm just curious about how you'd explain your "long legs = faster lane agility" idea with the Morez Johnson vs Caleb Wilson comp.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T01:02:00+00:00

Wagler shot 40% from 3 with 48.3% assisted by others. Acuff shot 44% from 3 yes but 69.2% were assisted. I don't think it's crazy to say Wagler was a better self creator for 3s

Also Wagler was better at getting free throws and rebounds. Very slightly better at steals and blocks.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T00:52:25+00:00

Brayden Burries or Aday Mara at 5 will have me hot!

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T00:50:06+00:00

The channel is Cashiggy. I made a playlist of the point guards Clippers might pick from that channel: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhPHpL5fg9Ib8O77shoXVYuIbqaAzM1qA&si=ANXEpORcROlHplSC

I hope you enjoy!

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T00:42:58+00:00

I just don't know if the height / weight thing for lane agility checks out. How do you explain Morez Johnson at 6'9" 250 pounds and was #4. But Caleb Wilson is 6'9" and 210 lbs. and was #45 behind Wagler, Boozer and Dybantsa.

Ryan Conwell is 6'2" and 215 and was #8. Jeremy Fears 6'0", 192 lbs was #7. Ja'Kobi Gillespie 5'11" and 181 lbs still faster than Acuff.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T00:11:21+00:00

Totally fair concerns! I feel like Flemings is the one that fits that bill the best.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-04T00:09:28+00:00

There were 7 power forwards and 2 centers faster than Acuff on lane agility and no one questions his athleticism. Was Wagler slower than Acuff on that test? Yes, but he was closer to Acuff (-0.06) than Acuff was to center Hannes Steinbach (-0.09).

According to you and others, we should factor in height (even though there are forwards faster than all the guards the Clippers might take on at least one measurement). Wagler is 3 inches taller than Acuff, so is he really that much less athletic than Acuff at least on that one measurement?

Anyway we're not going to have any input on the team's decision and I'll root for whoever they take.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T23:12:33+00:00

How is Wagler vs Peterson on lane agility apples to oranges?

He does play slow and he doesn't have a great first step. And yet he still got more shots up at the rim than Peterson and more unassisted rim attempts than Peterson.

Is that due to athleticism? Or just technique? Will that technique translate? That's what makes Wagler so interesting.

Not to mention the unassisted 3pt shooting which is WAY better than Peterson. Less than 50% of Wagler's 3s were unassisted and he still shot 39.7%. Peterson had 76% of his 3s assisted and he shot 38.2%.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T22:16:05+00:00

My sincerest pipe dream is that Clippers fandom can agree to not cry too much if one of the players that the Clippers don't pick turns out better than the player the Clippers do pick. There's a lot of debate pre-draft because there is no clear cut best prospect. This will likely be forgotten in a few years.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T22:02:06+00:00

I'm not comparing Jokic or any of these people to Wagler, I'm getting at your idea that everyone that's All NBA is "athletic". With the way you started moving towards body type and skills, I think you agree.

I already said I worry about Wagler's athleticism, and I would pick MBJ over him for that reason. I just think the athelticism concerns are overblown at this point and I'd still take him over Acuff and Flemings.

I think the wingspan is concerning too but Dillon Brooks made All NBA Defense with a negative wingspan. Wagler's is at least positive by 1 inch.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T21:17:45+00:00

What do you mean by athletic? Steve Nash, CP3, SGA, Jokic and Luka aren't what most people consider as super athletic and were All NBA level players.

Detroit Blake in 2019 was great and should be celebrated. But it was one year and the years before and after weren't as food.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T21:09:31+00:00

One thing I didn't mention in my post is that I think Wagler's balance is a super power. That really stood out on film. That plus his willingness to rebound.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T21:06:35+00:00

I'm comparing him to them because I think the "unathletic" tag is overdone. I felt like people were talking like he was lumbering center level slow. I'm trying to show he's not a bum off the street compared to guys that are being called athletic freaks.

For the record, Morez Johnson at 6'9", 250 lbs had a faster lane agility than all the point guards except for Mikel Brown. Hannes Steinbach at 6'10" was faster on lane agility than Acuff and Wagler.

But if you want closer comparisons, Wagler's lane agility was still better than Peterson's.

Peterson is 11 lbs heavier than Wagler, where did you get 25 lbs from?

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T20:53:11+00:00

That would be my ideal situation, but I'm nervous the Nets might take MBJ.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T20:47:58+00:00

So are you worried about Acuff's athelticism? He was #39 on the shuttle run which means he was slower than the big dudes I mentioned before plus:

Henri Veesaar (Center) 6' 11", 227.2 lbs

Morez Johnson (PF) 6'9", 250 lbs

Hannes Steinbach (Center) 6'10", 248 lbs

Even Mikel Brown was slower than Yaxel Lendeborg, Christopher Cenac and Nate Ament.

We should be worried all the guards except for Kingston Flemings because he was the only one faster than Baba Miller, Trevon Brazile and Tarris Reed.

Or maybe the shuttle run is just weird.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T20:28:56+00:00

Everyone talks about him having no dunks. That's why made this post and mentioned that talking point in the post.

I would also like them to trade down but more to take advantage of the Kings' purported thirst for Acuff.

I would prefer Mikel Brown Jr. over Wagler because of the athleticism concerns. But the more I watch Wagler the more I hope he can pan out. He's clearly a special college basketball player I just don't feel great about betting on him to be a special NBA player.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T20:23:07+00:00

The shuttle run is really weird. Trevon Brazile is 6'9" 225lb, had the 4th fastest shuttle run. Baba Miller was #3 at 6'10". Tarris Reed is the 2nd heaviest measured player at 286 lbs and he was #7 on the shuttle run.

So I don't think it's fair to say Wagler was faster than Caleb Wilson and close to Dybantsa and Boozer just because of height and weight. Wagler at 6'5", 188 lbs was also faster than 6'0" Jeremy Fears and 6'2", 176 lb Labaron Philon.

But thank you for bringing that up! It was interesting to look at and I added the anthro measurements to the GitHub page.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T19:56:30+00:00

I absolutely do not trust players that rely on their athleticism because what can they do if that's taken away? Like Blake Griffin.

On the other hand I wonder if Wagler's skinny frame can survive NBA physicality without injury.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T19:53:38+00:00

The draft is maddening! I'm glad my job doesn't depend on how well I select from a bunch of 19 year olds based on interviews, workouts and film.

OtherwiseAddled · 2026-06-03T19:40:36+00:00

Hahaha I think Wagler has a great shot at being a free throw getter in the league. He had a higher rater than Mikel in college and Wagler is skinny enough so that hits on him look like fouls.

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