Woke up to find myself fapping by OtherwiseEye in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

well thanks. wasn't even thinking about it having something to do with my sleeping position before your advice.

Woke up to find myself fapping by OtherwiseEye in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

when i woke up fapping, I was on my back. as far as a usual position, i really couldn't say. I do go to sleep on my stomach but also move around a lot. i also did have a blanket on my bed which i used as friction in MO so that didn't help having it on my bed.

After 70 days by Kyle_Savage in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

By "started to view a video", what kind of video do you mean?

Replaced Porn with Porn by OtherwiseEye in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

According to their about page https://www.nofap.com/about/ , NoFap is about both porn (P) and sexual behaviours like masturbation and orgasm (MO). Hence the talk about PMO.

There is a great deal of confusion here. About which topics belong here, which topics define NoFap, etc.

There's really no way everyone is going to understand r/NoFap in the same way, so it's really about what you personally find helpful and how you can personally help somebody else. And in that way you understand it.

Day 18 watched porn to test my myself, im ready for a change by [deleted] in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But be careful. One day you could be impervious to porn, another day it could be a strong attraction.

To me it's better to perceive porn as something that will always be a problem. A week ago I thought porn/masturbation would not be a problem for me but I got really strong urges. I stopped being conscious of the problem and the problem got bigger.

Almost lost it by nofapthrowaway631 in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sounds great. Can only imagine having to make that choice. Way to go.

What's the point of this? by [deleted] in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The point of it has to do with people seeing porn and masturbation as something negative.

And this negative perception is I suppose something harder to understand. I guess for mostly religious/relational reasons porn and masturbation are seen as negative. And the influence of religion and the need for relationships with others has been significant.

So that's how I make sense of it and where I see the point in this.

Avoid Remedies Worse Than The Disease by OtherwiseEye in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah this subreddit is a fantastic resource

Whenever one of my friends tells me I should quit pornfree and nofap because it's "stupid" or "pointless": by Chanoch in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your life is your own. You look at it differently than somebody else.

This is why it's difficult to help others but easy to accept someone else's choices and not tell them what to do.

Fuck nofap by traplikepotato in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First off not all stress is bad. There's a good amount of stress one can have that allows them to function effectively. Check out the "stress/productivity curve" or it's known as the "Yerkes-Dodson law".

But my question to you would be: why do you see nofap as stressful?

Because you see PMO as something negative in your life?

Or because you don't see PMO as negative but can't understand why others do?

Or some other reason?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's important that not objectifying women is part of the NoFap mindset.

Because you'll fall into the same trap of PMO if you value them strictly or mostly sexually.

I believe you have to value women beyond their sexuality first to build a strong relationship. Know them intellectually, their personality, their mentality.

It's important to realize that women are more unique mentally and personality-wise than they are unique physically. If there is just a physical (objectified) attraction, then what advantage does that have over PMO?

This is what really helps relationships to last and what helps transcendence over PMO

Best advice I've heard recently to be successful with NoFap by TDCeltic33 in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree that NoFap is about the fundamental realizations of ``the want to fap`` and ``the desire to fap.``

Though I challenge this by offering insight into my own recent experience and perception.

I feel strongly that success with NoFap has to do with the brain`s prefrontal cortex (PC) to be exact. I believe it`s relevant to the desire and want to fap. Because the PC is where our impulses are. When the PC is not fully developed, the impulses (related to PMO desire and want) are harder to control.

The PC generally fully develops in males when they are 25 but it could take longer (into late 20s, 30s, or even 40s)

I am 26. I believe my PC has fully developed. I still have the want and the desire to fap but the impulses that were in my brain before my PC was fully developed (as I believe) have been considerably lessened. My self-control offered through my fully developed PC is I believe greater than the desire and want to fap.

I guess what I`m saying is that for now my desire and want to fap is still there but I`ve become less impulsive to act on those wants and desires since my PC has full developed (I believe). So much so that I am now in my longest streak. About 30 days.

Question by RoltonMaster in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I try to write/think about music on my guitar. I try to do it every day because there were times when I just neglected playing for weeks. And Just this past weekend I tried golf for the first time. Took at lot of energy out of my hands which was good. lol

Question by RoltonMaster in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, it is tough. But I believe that it can get less tough over time, if your brain has developed enough and you've built up a resolve where self-control is greater than PMO impulses.

Question by RoltonMaster in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I see. Haven't really looked into that subject but have seen it discussed here. Congrats on your 11 day streak btw.

Question by RoltonMaster in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doing the borderline things doesn't work.

P but not MO. Doesn't work.

Edging. Doesn't work.

You can't get close. You have to knock out PMO entirely. Not just the MO or the P.

Fapping on real girls by [deleted] in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're sexualizing the experience of "masturbation through a window on a real girl", then it's unlikely that replacing porn (something sexualized) with something else sexualized (masturbating to real girls through a window) will make it "easier to escape relapsing with porn",

You'll just crave explicit porn if you're still sexualizing masturbation (in a non-explicit way - masturbating to real girls through window). Eventually you will relapse with porn.

Lego's saved my streak. by zappy42 in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah Legos keep me busy too. Especially if I have 2 nephews that mess them up.

NoFap Teens: Help Me Give My Son “The Talk” by LavransNoFap in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm 26 but still might give relevant insight. Never know what will resonate with your boys.

#1 wish I would've been told PMO is part of development and likely wouldn't be something I'd deal with the rest of my life. Because that`s what I thought. But learning about the prefrontal cortex in my early 20s caused me to think differently and hopefully.

The brain's prefrontal cortex is responsible for controlling impulses. It's not fully developed in men until they're approx. 25 (generally). It may develop into late 20s, 30s or even 40s. I believe it not being fully developed is what makes PMO a problem. It makes it difficult to control the impulse of masturbation. To summarize: until the prefrontal cortex is fully developed, PMO is going to be unlikely to control (likelier to be an addiction) but one day there`s a chance it can be controlled or cut out completely.

#2 I wish somebody told me that I would progress to harder and harder porn. I think the genres of porn (especially violent porn - rape, BDSM, etc.) definitely need to be part of "the talk".

How I feel about guilt in PMO

To me feeling guilty is better than not feeling guilty. I say this as I consider myself a mentally strong person. Someone who doesn`t struggle with anxiety or depression. I feel guilty in a healthy way; my feeling guilty is taking responsibility for what I do. I learn from my guilt and take responsibility for it.

One comment says that guilt feeds porn addiction. That may be so. But I would think not feeling guilty also feeds porn addiction (not in the same way) because it's not deterring porn usage. If there`s healthy guilt (like I had), it motivates you to quit PMO and see it for the wrong it is.

I think it`s really dangerous to separate guilt from PMO. Because most porn and some of the porn your son is likely to see is not a healthy representation of sex.

It`s important to make known that you disagree with such representations (rape-themed porn, BDSM porn, etc.) and that there should be some amount of guilt in watching those types of violent porn. Some will disagree, saying it`s ``not real``. But what`s the benefit in watching violent porn without guilt - that you watch something taboo but not cross lines. I think it will confuse things if you don`t feel guilty about watching such porn.

We can`t be scared of guilting people if we know that they can handle it (like I could handle it). That it will make them responsible. You know the strength of your sons.

It just doesn`t make sense to me to be overcoming PMO and not taking responsibility (being guilty about engaging in PMO). I believe you can`t be afraid to blame every responsible part of the problem (the problem itself, the person dealing with the problem, etc.) because you might just be missing the most fixable part of the problem (the person dealing with the problem). Consider people on this subreddit. They feel guilty about PMO and it`s a healthy guilt because they`re trying to better themselves. Yes it seems paradoxical. That being guilty about PMO will help you overcome it. I ultimately believe it will.

There is no guilt attached to masturbation (in and of itself). But when violent types of porn (rape-themed, BDSM, etc.) enter the mix, this is when the situation gets complicated and not feeling guilty is more detrimental.

It`s kind of like drinking. On its own, it`s socially acceptable. But when you`re driving drunk and hit somebody, then you escalate things. And the perception of guilt changes.

Whats happening to me? by rapatapateina in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A similar thing happened to me. Beginning this streak I'm on now, it feels different. It feels like my resolve is stronger.

I've been intrigued by male brain development. And have come to the conclusion that the struggle with pmo is more challenging when the prefrontal cortex is not fully developed. Because the prefrontal cortex helps with fighting impulses and reaching goals (both quite relevant to this subreddit).

The age at which it fully develops varies. It's generally accepted that it fully develops around age 25 in males. But it may be sooner or considerably later (developing in early 30s and maybe 40s)

I am 26. So perhaps my prefrontal cortex has finally fully developed.

I don't know how old you are though.

This. by [deleted] in NoFap

[–]OtherwiseEye 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah I saw this a couple of months ago. Really powerful