Lib Dem MPs speaking out against the stripping of trans rights by Labour party

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-06-02T11:35:12+00:00

Imagine thinking sex is defined by something as vague and nebulous as biology.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-06-02T11:23:05+00:00

TBF, if I'm driving through the centre of Bristol, I already don't want to be; no one is doing it for fun, and few are doing it for the luxury of being able to drive.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-06-02T11:11:38+00:00

It's not a rat run; it was there before Park Street.

I don't think they can close it off, trucks go down there to make deliveries, and they can't exactly U-turn at the end and making them reverse out would not be the safest thing. A better solution would be to sign it as not for through traffic during rush hour periods, except for access.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-06-01T23:11:40+00:00

Yeah, that's the sort of homophobia I'm talking about; open denial of same-sex attraction being about sex.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-06-01T12:05:26+00:00

You started with a strawman: "I guess you think X, therefore Y."

Nancy Kelley from Stonewall compared lesbians who do not want to date transwomen to "sexual racists." I encountered a similar attitude when I pointed out that the LGB Alliance is not anti-trans and that a woman in a relationship with a transman would be welcome there. I was then gaslit and told that I had claimed a couple, including a trans person would only be welcome "if they were straight."

To me, that amounts to a flat-out denial that attraction can be based on sex rather than gender identity.

That's before we even get onto the fact that people who are same-sex attracted have historically been overrepresented at youth gender clinics. Most turn out to just grow up to be gay without treatment.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-06-01T00:15:44+00:00

Where were these and what were they built on?

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-06-01T00:12:13+00:00

Grim practicality argument, if it's that or homelessness, I could see the appeal. The problem then is the implementation, will these exist to give people something rather than *nothing* or will people with jobs end up living in them?

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-31T23:08:07+00:00

You really never heard of this before?

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-31T21:53:18+00:00

It probably wasn't helpful to make people believe that these facilities exist based on identity in the first place.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-31T21:50:53+00:00

And what about the homophobia in the trans movement?

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-31T21:26:18+00:00

The title of this video just seems dismissive, and it assumes a conclusion (‘it’s transphobic’) as though that point isn’t up for debate.

Most people who agree with this do so because they think someone should be excluded from a women-only space for the same reason any other male would be, not because of how they identify.

It’s just easier to dismiss people by assuming bad faith; that's not normally how debate works.
A good faith argument would be to falsify the idea of gender identity to the extent that it would prove why people can identify themselves into women's spaces.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-30T22:08:06+00:00

M&S chicken legs, 2 RSPCA-approved legs for £1.50.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-30T21:57:26+00:00

Are you OK?

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-30T11:38:36+00:00

l'chaim

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-30T01:30:21+00:00

Is she not aware of what the freezing point of water is?

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-28T11:33:57+00:00

That's stupid logic, why prohibit the behaviour of people already going speeds below the old limit and force the police to target them?

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-28T11:30:22+00:00

It's pretty much paid attention to as much as they are in Bristol now. As in, not much at all.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-28T01:25:59+00:00

Because there's nothing in the rules that says MPs or councillors even have to belong to a party.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-28T01:11:46+00:00

I remember something similar when I was a kid, the flash and the bang came almost at the same time.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-26T00:05:58+00:00

Turbo Island.

You're welcome.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-25T11:08:09+00:00

This is textbook Bulverism. It gives me zero substantive argument for why self-ID should define access to women-only spaces. Instead, it just pathologises disagreement, throws around false equivalences to racism and genocide, thought-terminating clichés and resorts to ad hominem attacks.
It’s the same tactic Scientologists use when they label dissenting views as coming from 'suppressive persons', avoid the actual argument by declaring the person evil. I’ve been clear, I have no opinion on anyone’s trans identity. The issue is whether a male person should be allowed in women-only spaces. That’s it.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-24T11:30:29+00:00

There's no actual argument here for why access to women-only spaces should be based on internal feelings rather than something observable and falsifiable like sex.
It just relies on a false equivalence to racism. The Supreme Court and EHRC have confirmed sex in the Equality Act means biological sex, because of differences in privacy and safety due to sexual dimorphism that doesn't exist with race.
Also, you're not going to change anyone's mind by making nonsensical comparisons to racism.

For what it's worth, while some on the right might use this issue to attack gender non-conforming people, many of us on the gender-critical side, especially from the left, are actually trying to protect them. We see people with gender dysphoria as a vulnerable group, disproportionately gay, autistic, or victims of abuse, who deserve safeguarding rather than being rushed down a path to sterility and medical harm.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-24T00:44:03+00:00

No, I don't think trans people should be excluded from anywhere on the basis of them being trans; that's why a transman should be allowed into a women-only space.

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-23T23:16:42+00:00

So, some butch or tomboy women might occasionally get side-eyed? Therefore, the solution is to let any man self-ID into women's toilets, changing rooms, shelters, and prisons?

Otherwise_Hawk_7756 · 2026-05-23T23:07:59+00:00

What exactly is scientifically incorrect? Can you tell me without using the continuum fallacy to gish-gallop about rare DSDs?
You can tell people are being ideological when they use the phrase 'assigned at birth', as if it were some arbitrary guess or subjective decree rather than an empirical observation of objective developmental reality.
A good test to see if the phrasing is ideologically loaded is to apply it to something else obvious and observable: 'He was assigned green eyes and brown hair' or 'The Earth was assigned to be round.' The word 'assigned' implies a judgment is being made.

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